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[Into the Night]

So, I guess the early USA wasn't Capitalist, huh?

Yup. People came here with nothing but wilderness, and built for themselves their homes, their towns, and later their cities. That is the creation of wealth.

Slavery was definitely Capitalism,

Slavery didn't build any town or city. Slavery is theft of wealth.

it was all about profits for the Capitalist elite.

There is no 'elite' in capitalism. Anyone can play.

 

[BattleofHodow]

RQAA. Evasion. Answer the question put to you.

Going against Labor unions is something people like you today do, rather than Democrats.

 

[Arks&sparka]

Capitalism leads to corporate power, anyways.

No it couldn't. Government interfering with capitalism leads to corporate power.

 

[BattleofHodow]

Yup. People came here with nothing but wilderness, and built for themselves their homes, their towns, and later their cities. That is the creation of wealth.

Slavery didn't build any town or city. Slavery is theft of wealth.

There is no 'elite' in capitalism. Anyone can play.

Slavery helped build weallth for early White America, by leading to more profits & manpower for the Capitalist farmers & Capitalist textiles factories, so they could further invest into American interests.

 

[Into the Night]

no and it isn't now.

Capitalism isn't all about the prophets for the capitalist elite that's corporatism. Capitalism is trading things of value for things of value. If a slave trade is leeper or something of value that would mean he's not a slave. If a person steals his labor that isn't capitalism.

Not quite. Capitalism is the CREATION of things of value. That way you have something to trade.
Capitalism is the only economic system that creates wealth.
Socialism can only exist by stealing wealth. That's why it must be implemented by force via a tyrant, dictator, oligarchy, slave master, etc.

 

[Arks&sparka]

Slavery existed in a Capitalist system, to make mega profits for the Capitalist elites.

it can't that doesn't make sense. If a person can steal another person's labor paying them for it that isn't capitalism.

Explain how slavery in early America wasn't an integral part of Capitalism?

They weren't paying them for the value of their labor they were just stealing it. Capitalism is the exchange of things of value for things of value. If you exchange nothing 4 things of value that's not capitalism.

 

[BattleofHodow]

No it couldn't. Government interfering with capitalism leads to corporate power.

Corporate monopolies are natural to Capitalism, trust busting monopolies is the solution to it.

 

[Into the Night]

Slavery existed in a Capitalist system, to make mega profits for the Capitalist elites.

Explain how slavery in early America wasn't an integral part of Capitalism?

RQAA

 

[Arks&sparka]

Not quite. Capitalism is the CREATION of things of value. That way you have something to trade.
Capitalism is the only economic system that creates wealth.
Socialism can only exist by stealing wealth. That's why it must be implemented by force via a tyrant, dictator, oligarchy, slave master, etc.

Agreed, if you can create nothing of value you can always trade you a labor for things of value

 

[BattleofHodow]

it can't that doesn't make sense. If a person can steal another person's labor paying them for it that isn't capitalism.

They weren't paying them for the value of their labor they were just stealing it. Capitalism is the exchange of things of value for things of value. If you exchange nothing 4 things of value that's not capitalism.

Early America is mostly understood as a Capitalist society.

Sure, and the Capitalist elite profited off of slavery, and the existence of slavery was due to deregulation.

This is basically a Capitalist freedom argument.

Of course, Government intervention was necessary to outlaw slavery.

Slavery was natural until government ended it.

It was an integral part of the Capitalist big businesses.

 

[Arks&sparka]

Corporate monopolies are natural to Capitalism, trust busting monopolies is the solution to it.

No they aren't corporate monopolies are natural to corporatism. If you produce something and you're the only person that produces that something and you want to make it to where you can be the only person that produces that something you need the government to interfere with capitalism and that's how monopolies are formed.

You wouldn't need to trust busting if other people could create what the monopolies create.

 

[Into the Night]

Capitalism leads to corporate power, anyways.

Bigotry. No, it doesn't. A kid that makes lemonade out of lemons, water, and sugar has created wealth. That kid can then sell it on the street corner to others on a hot day. He is not a corporation. He is a sole proprietor.
Corporations are not evil. it is simply a collection of people owning the same business under a contract.

There are bad businessmen, and there are good businessmen. To paint them all as bad is simply bigotry.

 

[BattleofHodow]

No they aren't corporate monopolies are natural to corporatism. If you produce something and you're the only person that produces that something and you want to make it to where you can be the only person that produces that something you need the government to interfere with capitalism and that's how monopolies are formed.

You wouldn't need to trust busting if other people could create what the monopolies create.

Monopolies are natural because some businesses offer better products, or cheaper products.

So, Walmart or Amazon came about because of government intervention?

That's truly absurd, it's a natural part of Capitalism.

Walmart offered cheaper products, and so did Amazon.

That's why, nothing to do with the government intervention.

 

[Into the Night]

Slavery existed in a Capitalist system, to make mega profits for the Capitalist elites.

Explain how slavery in early America wasn't an integral part of Capitalism?

Already done. RQAA.

 

[Arks&sparka]

Early America is mostly understood as a Capitalist society.

Sure, and the Capitalist elite profited off of slavery, and the existence of slavery was due to deregulation.

again slavery not to be capitalism because you're not trading something of value for the labor you're just stealing it.

This is basically a Capitalist freedom argument.

Of course, Government intervention was necessary to outlaw slavery.

Slavery was natural until government ended it.

It was an integral part of the Capitalist big businesses.

Just because you keep saying something doesn't make it true.

If you're not trading something of value to someone for their labor that is anti-capitalism. Slavery is not capitalism no matter how many times you insist on it without supporting your moronic claim.

 

[Into the Night]

Forgive me I should have said support your claim.

Heh. An easy mistake to make, especially when so many liberal nutjobs on this board keep doing it.

I make a point of it you see. I am a logician, scientist, and engineer (among many other things).

 

[BattleofHodow]

again slavery not to be capitalism because you're not trading something of value for the labor you're just stealing it.

Just because you keep saying something doesn't make it true.

If you're not trading something of value to someone for their labor that is anti-capitalism. Slavery is not capitalism no matter how many times you insist on it without supporting your moronic claim.

They bought the slaves from Black African slave traders who gave them up for sale due to being POW's

A Capitalist is someone who either supports Capitalism, or who invests Capital for profit.

In both cases, this fits like a T with the slavery in the United States.

 

[BattleofHodow]

Bigotry. No, it doesn't. A kid that makes lemonade out of lemons, water, and sugar has created wealth. That kid can then sell it on the street corner to others on a hot day. He is not a corporation. He is a sole proprietor.
Corporations are not evil. it is simply a collection of people owning the same business under a contract.

There are bad businessmen, and there are good businessmen. To paint them all as bad is simply bigotry.

A lot of Capitalist businesses are scumbags, no lie there.

They are the ones hiring Undocumented Immigrants & Outsourcing in mass.

 

[Arks&sparka]

Monopolies are natural because some businesses offer better products, cheaper products.

no they aren't. Monopolies don't offer better products the lobby the government to create red tape to discourage competition. That is why it's corporatism not capitalism

So, Walmart or Amazon came about because of government intervention?

those aren't monopolies. you can go to Target you can go to any host of other stores besides Walmart. You can buy things from other places besides Amazon.

you need to educate yourself on the meaning of words if you're going to use them.

Things that are monopolies are the power company.

That's truly absurd, it's a natural part of Capitalism.

Walmart offered cheaper products, and so did Amazon.

That's why, nothing to do with the government intervention.

Those aren't monopolies. Again you can Target you can go to the Payless you can go to Marshalls you can go to Kmart there's all sorts of other businesses that compete with Walmart.

Where you can buy things from all over the internet not just Amazon.

Learn with a monopoly is before you start talking about them

 

[Arks&sparka]

They bought the slaves from Black African slave traders who gave them up for sale due to being POW's

but they are still stealing labor from the slave. They aren't trading something of value for something of value.

they aren't fulfilling you thought primary component of capitalism

A Capitalist is someone who either supports Capitalism, or who invests Capital for profit.

In both cases, this fits like a T with the slavery in the United States.

you cannot support capitalism if you hold slaves because you are stealing something of value without paying for it the labor of the slaves.