Deep-Level Post Election Analysis and Myth Addressing by yours truly

Imperator said:
I will say you are right jade, in the fact that there is no hope for some type of idealism american future. I have long ago lost all faith in our institutions, and the mythology of the righteous politician. Politics is a zero sum game on which side can fuck the other side more. We are too divergent in our political philsophies as a nation and there is no meaningful middle ground to be had. (Nor is it desired) This is the bane of a strong federal government. The stakes have become too high because the prize is total control and domination and subjugation.
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To be clear, this isn't a lamentation as much as it is a call for everyone to just accept the reality of the world we live in. Political altruism does not exist.
 
Imperator said:
I know you guys better than you know yourselves, I anticipate your talking points and I will prove them wrong before you even open your mouths

I will be using exit polling data from the washingtonpost to assist me in my deep level analysis.
(https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2017/politics/alabama-exit-polls/?utm_term=.b9b80683f111)

Myth 1 - This election was a referendum on Trump.

Incorrect. See this image:

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According to the voters of this Alabama election, 51% said that trump had no bearing on their vote at all. 19% of jones voters said they voted in part due to anti-trump sentiment. 27% of Roy Moore voters said they voted out of support for trump. Overall, trump played very little role in this election, but to the extent that he did, it is clearly evident that it ended up in a net support of +8pts for Roy Moore. This is also relevant to Bannon. The GOPe is already trying to blame him, but given his strong ties to trump, again it should be patently evident that the Bannon/Trump coalition if anything helped Moore close the gap. Without trumps help, Moore likely would have lost by more points.

Myth 2 - This is a a win for the #Metoo pussyhatters

Again, according to the Washington Post exit poll data, voters declared:



To be fair, you did grab some of the electorate, but overall the majority of the electorate rejected your premise.


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Moore won?

Mwahahahahahaha! LOL LOL LOL

I knew he would! ROTFLMAO

I had faith in the good people of Alabama! LOL

Thanks for letting me know Grind. I was very busy today and didn’t get to check the news.

I really needed the laugh. :)
 
Imperator said:
My deep level analysis aside, I will say congrats for pulling off the victory. That's tough to do in alabama, and I tip my hat to you. You guys kept your head down and pulled off a solid win.
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Holy shit. Moore didn’t win. I took your first email wrong!

Well shoot. This sucks.
 
Imperator said:
So now you may find yourself asking "well shit, we won the election, but not for any of the reasons I actually believed in, that sucks! How can I get some sweet taunting in?"

Well in the spirit of good charity, I will help you with this, as I am a bragging and taunting expert.

I urge you to adopt my philosophy. Become just like me. Declare that winning is all that matters and the reasons are irrelevant. Then you can be all smiles, and it can't be taken away.

[bold]However if you persist in these myths, I will have no choice but to unleash my deep level analysis on you.[/bold]
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It’s ok...that’s why penicillin was invented.

Ultimately you’re right we must take such set backs philosophically. It’s a very black day for American comedy and political satire.
 
Imperator said:
you would be more effective if you were honest. Never claimed ryan would step down or be taken out. I only spoke to motive.

I really don't want to get into this ticky tack bullshit with you in this thread. Why can you never ever ever keep things on the level? I am really trying to just speak to the recent events. Please respect that.

Now, on to your first comment in this thread, given this election was really specifically about moore himself, I don't believe you can extrapolate this to 2018. Or, more precisely, use this election is a data point or part of a larger narrative. That isn't to say demcorats wont win in 2018, most outsider parties pick up seats. That's nothing new. But this election specifically wasn't about trump and a majority of the electorate also said this wasn't about the accusations. It was about about moore himself.
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You’re absolutely correct. Moore would be an aberration in any other State and to project anything about him into 2018 or measuring political support for Trump would be silly.

I’m sure the GOP will be alarmed, I mean a Democrat just became an Alabama Senator for the first time in a long time.

The only conclusion I can draw that there’s a certain line even the Alabama GOP won’t cross. This election is an abberation.
 
Thing1 said:
A Democrat won a Senate seat in AL. You can say that Moore was a terrible candidate; I can say that about Hillary, but that didn't stop you from extrapolating miles from that one.

'18 is going to be a bad election for Trump. It's going to be a bad election for Bannon. Dem turnout was massive tonight. It will be massive in '18. Trump will be the best thing that ever happened to the Democrats, and one of the worst things to happen for the GOP.
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It’s certainly possible but by no means assured there could be a Wave election in 2018 but I don’t think current polling data supports that.
 
Imperator said:
there is a politico article that came out moments after moores loss talking about how this is a black eye for trump and a repudiation. this will be the mainstream narrative in the coming days, and it is flat out wrong. You can't call an election in which trump was an overall positive net effect for moore a repudiation of trump. the data simply does not add up to give one that conclusion. I hate propaganda and false naratives and emotional circlejerking absent of critical thought.
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Yup...you’re right.
 
Imperator said:
I will say you are right jade, in the fact that there is no hope for some type of idealism american future. I have long ago lost all faith in our institutions, and the mythology of the righteous politician. Politics is a zero sum game on which side can fuck the other side more. We are too divergent in our political philsophies as a nation and there is no meaningful middle ground to be had. (Nor is it desired) This is the bane of a strong federal government. The stakes have become too high because the prize is total control and domination and subjugation.
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...and grand comedy! You’re to young to be such a cynic Grind. This the nature of politics. Has been for a long time.

I mean if there’s hope for Watermark than there is hope for our nation, right?

OK...Maybe Watermark wasn’t a good example there.
 
Imperator said:
remember how I said in my B-team analysis how you always jump to insta-posting and ask questions later?
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Hey it’s been a long day.

Uhhh I asked you a question from the very beginning, I didn’t follow up with one.
Also go read your OP again and come back here and call me pedantic. :p
 
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Mott the Hoople said:
It’s ok...that’s why penicillin was invented.

Ultimately you’re right we must take such set backs philosophically. It’s a very black day for American comedy and political satire.
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Mott the Hoople said:
You’re absolutely correct. Moore would be an aberration in any other State and to project anything about him into 2018 or measuring political support for Trump would be silly.

I’m sure the GOP will be alarmed, I mean a Democrat just became an Alabama Senator for the first time in a long time.

The only conclusion I can draw that there’s a certain line even the Alabama GOP won’t cross. This election is an abberation.
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Mott the Hoople said:
Yup...you’re right.
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wow.

I must say I really appreciate your saneness in this thread. I am very impressed with you. I'm actually almost stunned. I might have to take you off the B-team and put you into "acceptable poster" category. damn.
 
Thing1 said:
A Democrat won a Senate seat in AL. You can say that Moore was a terrible candidate; I can say that about Hillary, but that didn't stop you from extrapolating miles from that one.

'18 is going to be a bad election for Trump. It's going to be a bad election for Bannon. Dem turnout was massive tonight. It will be massive in '18. Trump will be the best thing that ever happened to the Democrats, and one of the worst things to happen for the GOP.
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If voters reject an encumbant president in a booming economy—-I’ll have to see that to believe it.

Moore’s baggage makes extrapolating from this race kind of sketchy, but I know how desperate you are to do it, so go ahead, I’ll watch lol.
 
Imperator said:
I know you guys better than you know yourselves, I anticipate your talking points and I will prove them wrong before you even open your mouths

I will be using exit polling data from the washingtonpost to assist me in my deep level analysis.
(https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2017/politics/alabama-exit-polls/?utm_term=.b9b80683f111)

Myth 1 - This election was a referendum on Trump.

Incorrect. See this image:

kxyGN2E.png


According to the voters of this Alabama election, 51% said that trump had no bearing on their vote at all. 19% of jones voters said they voted in part due to anti-trump sentiment. 27% of Roy Moore voters said they voted out of support for trump. Overall, trump played very little role in this election, but to the extent that he did, it is clearly evident that it ended up in a net support of +8pts for Roy Moore. This is also relevant to Bannon. The GOPe is already trying to blame him, but given his strong ties to trump, again it should be patently evident that the Bannon/Trump coalition if anything helped Moore close the gap. Without trumps help, Moore likely would have lost by more points.

Myth 2 - This is a a win for the #Metoo pussyhatters

Again, according to the Washington Post exit poll data, voters declared:



To be fair, you did grab some of the electorate, but overall the majority of the electorate rejected your premise.


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If Moore was such a bad candidate before the accusations and it has nothing to do with the accusations or Trump, then why didn’t they pick Strange?
 
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