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No, I wouldn't be a Coloradoan (correct spelling, pronounced Coloradan) were I to become a citizen of Virginia. I may have been a Coloradoan, but I would not be a Coloradoan. Now Dix is going into what the definition of "is" is...

Citizens of the Confederacy were not Americans, as they chose citizenship in a different nation.

No, if you were born a Coloradan, Texan, Alaskan, whatever... that is what you will always be. You might move and live elsewhere, but it doesn't change what you are.

Citizens of the Confederacy were Americans, Confederate Americans, it's in the fucking NAME, Dumo-ass! It is YOU who is trying to parse words and redefine things based on qualifiers, not me. They were Americans, plain and simple... before the war... during the war... and after the war. You've offered NOTHING to refute that fact, except for your bigoted wrong-headed and misguided viewpoint..... thank you very much!
 
No, if you were born a Coloradan, Texan, Alaskan, whatever... that is what you will always be. You might move and live elsewhere, but it doesn't change what you are.

Citizens of the Confederacy were Americans, Confederate Americans, it's in the fucking NAME, Dumo-ass! It is YOU who is trying to parse words and redefine things based on qualifiers, not me. They were Americans, plain and simple... before the war... during the war... and after the war. You've offered NOTHING to refute that fact, except for your bigoted wrong-headed and misguided viewpoint..... thank you very much!

No, it is not what "I will always be"... If I choose citizenship elsewhere I "was" a Coloradoan. I am "from" Colorado, but no longer can "be" a Coloradoan. Unless, of course, I return and once again become a Coloradoan.

I knew you were stuck on stubborn the minute you used "Dumo" and I was right. When you start into the Clintonesque attempts to redefine "is" then you really are at a loss.

You pretend you don't know the difference between past tense and present. They "were" Americans until they chose to "be" citizens of a different nation. Just like if you chose to become a citizen of Indonesia you would then be Indonesian, one from America but an Indonesian you would be.
 
Take it up with the people who make the spellchecker... it flagged "Coloradoan" as a misspelling, and corrected it to "Coloradan."

It does not flag Coloradoan on any spell checker that I use, and I certainly haven't added it. Methinks both usages are "acceptable" to people from otherwhere, but if you are from here, you know how to spell it.

Just for the hey of it, let's pop it into dictionary.com and see if I am right:
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/coloradoan?qsrc=2446
coloradoan
- 3 dictionary results
Col·o·rad·o
   [kol-uh-rad-oh, -rah-doh; for 4 also Sp. kaw-law-rah-thaw] Show IPA
–noun
1.
a state in the W United States. 2,888,834; 104,247 sq. mi. (270,000 sq. km). Capital: Denver. Abbreviation: CO (for use with zip code), Col., Colo.
2.
a river flowing SW from N Colorado through Utah and Arizona into the Gulf of California: Grand Canyon; Boulder Dam. 1450 miles (2335 km) long.
3.
a river flowing SE from W Texas to the Gulf of mexico. 840 miles (1350 km) long.
4.
Rí·o [ree-oh; Sp. ree-aw] Show IPA, a river in central Argentina, flowing SE from the Andes to the Atlantic ocean. 530 miles (853 km) long.
—Related forms
Col·o·rad·an, Col·o·rad·o·an, adjective, noun

Yup. I bolded the important bit.
 
Anal-retentive asshole, Dumo!

People did not STOP being Americans when the Civil War started!

If you want to cling to that myopic and ignorant viewpoint, that is up to you... I personally thought you had better sense and more class, I guess I was wrong.
:dunno:
 
Anal-retentive asshole, Dumo!

People did not STOP being Americans when the Civil War started!

If you want to cling to that myopic and ignorant viewpoint, that is up to you... I personally thought you had better sense and more class, I guess I was wrong.
:dunno:

No, they stopped being Americans and became Confederate Citizens or, as you put it "Confederate Americans", when they chose citizenship in a different nation. The unqualified noun is simply only for those of us that choose to maintain citizenship in the US.

Threedee was right, and accurate. The only reason they are considered "Americans" is because they were considered by our nation to be in "rebellion" because they refused to recognize the new nation.
 
No, they stopped being Americans and became Confederate Citizens or, as you put it "Confederate Americans", when they chose citizenship in a different nation. The unqualified noun is simply only for those of us that choose to maintain citizenship in the US.

Threedee was right, and accurate. The only reason they are considered "Americans" is because they were considered by our nation to be in "rebellion" because they refused to recognize the new nation.

First of all, no one "chose" citizenship in another nation! The people who happened to live in the South, became citizens of the Confederate States of America when it was established, they didn't STOP BEING AMERICAN, you dumb fuck! Threedee was NOT correct, the reason they were called Americans, is because they were always Americans, before, during, and after the war, they have never been anything else. Now, Dum-O... you can continue repeating the same ignorant nonsense until you're blue in the face, it doesn't change a thing, and it doesn't make your case or prove you correct.
 
First of all, no one "chose" citizenship in another nation! The people who happened to live in the South, became citizens of the Confederate States of America when it was established, they didn't STOP BEING AMERICAN, you dumb fuck! Threedee was NOT correct, the reason they were called Americans, is because they were always Americans, before, during, and after the war, they have never been anything else. Now, Dum-O... you can continue repeating the same ignorant nonsense until you're blue in the face, it doesn't change a thing, and it doesn't make your case or prove you correct.

Again incorrect, many of those who wished to remain Americans chose to join the Union forces and maintain that citizenship. The reality is they became a separate nation, one we didn't "recognize" but had its own government, its own army, its own allies, etc. At that point, whether by choice or by poor luck they weren't Americans any longer. The only reason our government chose to maintain they were US Citizens is because they simply refused to recognize the new nation. Of course, other nations did recognize them...
 
Anal-retentive asshole, Dumo!

People did not STOP being Americans when the Civil War started!

If you want to cling to that myopic and ignorant viewpoint, that is up to you... I personally thought you had better sense and more class, I guess I was wrong.
:dunno:

Most of them actually stopped being Americans before the Civil War began, and before Lincoln even took office.
 
Y'all may not agree with this, but people were citizens of their state first.

Americans, or USA citizens second.
 
Y'all may not agree with this, but people were citizens of their state first.

Americans, or USA citizens second.

It wasn't until after the war that turned around.

One of the interesting effects, people would say "The United States Are"... rather than The United States Is"... in sentences, they were speaking of more than one State, but after the war it became The United States is... a "one nation" thing.
 
Again incorrect, many of those who wished to remain Americans chose to join the Union forces and maintain that citizenship. The reality is they became a separate nation, one we didn't "recognize" but had its own government, its own army, its own allies, etc. At that point, whether by choice or by poor luck they weren't Americans any longer. The only reason our government chose to maintain they were US Citizens is because they simply refused to recognize the new nation. Of course, other nations did recognize them...

No, not incorrect. I am well aware of history regarding this particular war, Dumo... I don't need lessons from you. Some people in border states, did indeed join the Union, while members of their own families joined the Confederacy, it wasn't uncommon to have relatives fighting relatives. None of that changes who anyone was. No one had to apply for US citizenship, no one had to renounce being American to join the Confederacy. Whether you want to cling to some romantic notion that ONLY the Union could be considered "American" back then, and they held an exclusive on the term, or what... I don't really care, Dumo... you go ahead and continue being the ignorant ill-informed fool you are. The people didn't stop being American when the CSA was established, that is your FALSE perception, and one that is simply not grounded in historic fact. What you and ThreeDumb are doing, is twisting the facts to suit your argument, and playing silly little juvenile semantics games. You two have fun, I am done with this conversation, you just keep repeating yourself like some kind of fucking idiot that doesn't know when to shut up.
 
People renounced their American citizenship by breaking away and forming a separate nation. Are you still British, Dixie?

I never was British, and neither were the Colonists who broke away from Britain.

I don't recall reading of the people renouncing their citizenship, do you have some historical documentation of this? People lived in the South and people lived in the North, in 1860, you couldn't just hop in the car and leave if you didn't like where you were. Most people in the South, were not wealthy, and had no choice but to stay where they were, regardless of how they felt about the issue of slavery or the war. In fact, the overwhelming majority of people in the South, did not own slaves or property.

If Russia invaded America and took over our Government, and we became the Soviet Union West.... would we suddenly all become Russians? That seems to be what you dumbasses are trying to argue here. I think you all need to go have one of your little private circle jerks and proclaim each other Kings of Stupid, followed by a roman numeral!
 
I never was British, and neither were the Colonists who broke away from Britain.

I don't recall reading of the people renouncing their citizenship, do you have some historical documentation of this? People lived in the South and people lived in the North, in 1860, you couldn't just hop in the car and leave if you didn't like where you were. Most people in the South, were not wealthy, and had no choice but to stay where they were, regardless of how they felt about the issue of slavery or the war. In fact, the overwhelming majority of people in the South, did not own slaves or property.

If Russia invaded America and took over our Government, and we became the Soviet Union West.... would we suddenly all become Russians? That seems to be what you dumbasses are trying to argue here. I think you all need to go have one of your little private circle jerks and proclaim each other Kings of Stupid, followed by a roman numeral!

I think I see your point, Dix. For example, if one visited Spock and decided to take up residence they would still be an earthling even though they lived on Vulcan.
 
The Confederate flag is a symbol of ignorance, bigotry, and hypocrisy. With that in mind, it seems quite fitting for a Southern state/county to fly it. :)
It's an amazing disconnect. I mean a person would really, really, really have to completely and totally have shit for brains to not understand why African Americans find the confederate flag offensive.
 
It's an amazing disconnect. I mean a person would really, really, really have to completely and totally have shit for brains to not understand why African Americans find the confederate flag offensive.

http://www.jewishworldreview.com/cols/williams071200.asp

Excerpt from an editorial by Walter E. Williams:

Though it's not politically correct to say, today's blacks benefited immensely from the horrors suffered by our ancestors. You say: "What do you mean, Williams? Would you run that by us?" Most black Americans are in the solid middle class. In fact, if we totaled the income black Americans earned each year, and thought of ourselves as a separate nation, we'd be the 14th or 15th richest nation. Even the 34 percent of blacks considered to be poor are fairly well off by world standards. Had there not been slavery, and today's blacks were born in Africa instead of the United States, we'd be living in the same poverty that today's Africans live in and under the same brutal regimes.
If reparations were to be made, then what? Would reparations payments accomplish what the 6 trillion dollars spent since 1965 on the War on Poverty didn't? Let's face the fact that there's not one thing anyone can do to change the past. There's a lot we can do about the future. Dwelling on the past comes at the expense of preparing for the future.
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Now this article was about reparations, but the last sentence is very poignant. Williams would ask you, "offended at what, exactly?" Because of slavery, most blacks today, find themselves living middle class American lifestyles, whereas, without slavery, they would likely be living in a grass hut in Africa, waiting for their daily bowl of oatmeal. It is only because slavery existed, that blacks (by and large) are in America to begin with. So you see, this is all a matter of perception. If one chooses to be offended, that is a choice they made, probably out of ignorance. The choice can also be made, to not be offended, but be thankful. To find the positive rather than focusing on the negative. Dwelling on the past comes at the expense of preparing for the future.
 
Most of them actually stopped being Americans before the Civil War began, and before Lincoln even took office.

At what point in time did people magically transform from what they were to something else? I don't get this! Several southern states seceded from the Union, is that the "magical moment" people changed from being one thing to another? Let's be clear about this... When people say ignorant things like "they chose to leave this nation and form their own" ...that's a historical inaccuracy. There never was a vote to secede, and if there were, I highly doubt it would have been 100% in favor of secession in ANY state. Just as is the case today, and throughout all the history of the world, people held different opinions on the issue of slavery, states rights, the war, secession, etc. We are all individual people, we all have individual motivations, we all have individual thoughts, ideas, and beliefs. There was never a "they" who decided to do anything, the governments and politicos decided to sever the ties with the Federal government, some people agreed with them, and some people didn't. Yet, everything here is being referred to as a collective choice that was made by everyone from the South, when that simply wasn't the case.
 
That's because you were not born, & raised in the south.

You may have another opinion if you were.

You do mean that it would also be treason for the USA to leave the United Nations.

And that the United Nations has a right to bring war to the USA to make us stay in.

With all the raping & taking of property that would come with that.

Don't you?

You do realize that this is what you're saying?

1) So, I am genetically predispositioned against committing treason based upon where I was born?
2) Which is worthy of your love - the USC or the UN Charter?
 
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