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[Bfgrn]

Here, in reverse order of importance, are the top seven Kennedy sex scandals:

Joe Kennedy, son of Robert Kennedy and former Congressman, secretly had his 12-year marriage to Sheila Rauch annulled by the Vatican. Rauch only found out about the annulment years later, after Kennedy remarried. She wrote a very angry book about the experience, Shattered Faith, since the Church's decreeing that the marriage never existed left her twin sons in everlasting limbo. Rauch pointed out that only powerful people like the Kennedy's could unilaterally cancel 12 years of marriage. (This raises the question of whether the Church can gain entry to Heaven for powerful people who have sinned.)

One of the storied political couplings of the twentieth century was between Andrew Cuomo, son of former New York Governor Mario Cuomo, and Kerry Kennedy, daughter of Robert Kennedy. The younger Cuomo was forced to withdraw his own bid for the governorship (although he is now New York's Attorney General) in 2002 when it was revealed that his wife, to whom he had been married 13 years and with whom he had three daughters, had been having a long-term affair with a married man. Kerry Kenedy's philandering shows that Kennedy disregard for marital niceties extends to the distaff side of the family as well.

An extremely unappetizing Kennedy scandal involved Joe's brother and campaign manager, Michael. Like his brother and sister, Michael was stably married with children when it was revealed he had been having an affair with a family babysitter, beginning when the girl was 14! This, of course, is a crime that would get a non-Kennedy registered as a sexual predator. For some reason (perhaps bribery and threats to her and her family), the girl refused to press charges, and Kennedy entered treatment for sex and alcohol addiction. Michael Kennedy had been keeping an extremely low profile when he died in an accident on a family skiing trip.

All of these scandals concerned third-generation Kennedy's. But the stories of sexual assaults, infidelity, and religious hypocrisy began with the family's patriarch, Joe Kennedy. In Swanson on Swanson, silent screen star Gloria Swanson revealed having an affair with Kennedy when, she claimed, he forced himself on her during his business trips to Hollywood when he left his saintly wife, Rose, at home in Massachusetts. (Swanson was most pissed off that, despite his legendary financial acumen, Joe lost a ton of her dough.) Other Kennedy family historians report that the elder Kennedy made advances on his sons' girlfriends!

Back to the younger Kennedy's, in 1991 Kennedy nephew William Smith was charged with rape while staying with uncle Teddy in the family's seaside estate in Palm Beach, FL. The woman claimed she met Smith at a night club at which he was accompanied by Ted Kennedy and his son, Patrick. Later, while ostensibly showing her around the estate, Smith began pursuing and pawing her as she tried to escape. Other women were found who described having similar experiences with the Kennedy nephew, but Smith was acquitted.

Both President Jack Kennedy - whose sexual escapades were legendary - and younger brother Bobby had closely contiguous sexual liaisons with Marilyn Monroe. Numerous conspiracy theories have been developed around the Kennedys' involvement in Monroe's death, which occurred in the aftermath of these affairs. At a minimum, the relationships were extremely damaging to Monroe's fragile mental health.

What could most interfere with Ted Kennedy's legacy (as it frustrated his aspirations to be president) was his involvement in the death of Mary Jo Kopechne. Following a party with six young female campaign workers on the island of Chappaquiddick, Kennedy was giving Kopechne a ride back to her hotel when he drove off a bridge. Kopechne drowned in the car, and Kennedy left the scene to consult with Kennedy family advisers. In fact, he never reported the incident, which was discovered independently the next morning! Kennedy was charged only with leaving the scene of an accident.

 

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I know that is where you typically get your news, but it is irrelevant to any of the above I mentioned. But please, do tell us which ones of those you feel are inaccurate.

 

[Bfgrn]

I know that is where you typically get your news, but it is irrelevant to any of the above I mentioned. But please, do tell us which ones of those you feel are inaccurate.

I wasn't there, were YOU? If not, then what you just posted is garbage.

I thought only women read National Enquirer. Are you a homosexual?

 

[DamnYankee]

threedork, you'd have to live several lifetimes to hit the amount of pussy I have.

That's because you're a huge pussy.

 

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I wasn't there, were YOU? If not, then what you just posted is garbage.

ROFLMAO.... so, if neither of us were there, did the Iraq War not happen either? If something happened before we were born, did it really not happen? Is it just garbage?

Do you see the stupidity in your post or should I continue mocking you for it?

I thought only women read National Enquirer. Are you a homosexual?

One of us posted a link to the Enquirer, one of us did not. Are you confused as to which of us it was?

Also....thanks for sharing that you are a homophobic bigot. Let me guess, you are yet ANOTHER liberal who thinks calling someone 'gay' is an insult???

 

[Bfgrn]

ROFLMAO.... so, if neither of us were there, did the Iraq War not happen either? If something happened before we were born, did it really not happen? Is it just garbage?

Do you see the stupidity in your post or should I continue mocking you for it?



One of us posted a link to the Enquirer, one of us did not. Are you confused as to which of us it was?

Also....thanks for sharing that you are a homophobic bigot. Let me guess, you are yet ANOTHER liberal who thinks calling someone 'gay' is an insult???

Yes, the Iraq war happened, but only a REAL moron would equate a historical event with gossip. BTW, I am the only one who provided anything that could be construed as a link. Did Stanton Peele give the OK for you to plagiarize his material?

 

[WinterBorn]

Yes, the Iraq war happened, but only a REAL moron would equate a historical event with gossip. BTW, I am the only one who provided anything that could be construed as a link. Did Stanton Peele give the OK for you to plagiarize his material?

Bfgrn, I see you arguing about the "smears". Are you denying that there is any truth to the scandals mentioned by SF?

 

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Yes, the Iraq war happened, but only a REAL moron would equate a historical event with gossip. BTW, I am the only one who provided anything that could be construed as a link. Did Stanton Peele give the OK for you to plagiarize his material?

Again moron.... WHICH of those do you think is gossip? You are the one that pretended that if neither of us were there that it didn't happen. Hence the same type of analogy thrown back at you.

 

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Bfgrn, I see you arguing about the "smears". Are you denying that there is any truth to the scandals mentioned by SF?

Well you see, if neither he nor myself were there, it must just be gossip.

 

[Bfgrn]

Bfgrn, I see you arguing about the "smears". Are you denying that there is any truth to the scandals mentioned by SF?

Of course there are 'truths'. But often the scurrilous details are more a reflection of the author. Just like the freak claiming he knows why Joe II started Citizens Energy. As a liberal, I can fully understand Joe's passion and empathy for the people he helps. If he did it to gain votes, why did he retire from politics and dedicate his time & efforts to Citizens Energy?

None of us know these people...Kennedy, Bush, Eisenhower, etc. I have always been a big fan of JFK. I have read a lot on the man from people who knew him.

I recently saw a documentary where JFK's Secret Service detail returned to Dealey Plaza and talked about the assassination, and the Kennedys. The agents loved JFK, Jackie and the kids. They said they served under Eisenhower, and he treated them good, but they were more like servants. They were very impressed that President Kennedy learned their names, and addressed them by them. They said they were made to feel like they were part of the family. The agents assigned to Caroline and John John were given full autonomy over the children. The kids were instructed to listen to the agents like they were their parents. When Jackie was on Air Force One still on the ground in Dallas after the assassination, Jackie called for agent Clint Hill who was assigned to guard her. Here she just lost her husband, and the reason she wanted to talk to him was to ask him, 'what will happen to you now Mr. Hill'?

That doesn't sound like uppity people. IT sounds like REAL human beings who have respect for others.

 

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Of course there are 'truths'. But often the scurrilous details are more a reflection of the author. Just like the freak claiming he knows why Joe II started Citizens Energy. As a liberal, I can fully understand Joe's passion and empathy for the people he helps. If he did it to gain votes, why did he retire from politics and dedicate his time & efforts to Citizens Energy?

AGAIN MORON.... I did not claim to know why he started it. I stated where the money WENT. So, are you done with your idiotic straw men yet? Do you EVER plan to tell us WHICH of these is 'smear' and WHICH you believe 'didn't happen'????

None of us know these people...Kennedy, Bush, Eisenhower, etc. I have always been a big fan of JFK. I have read a lot on the man from people who knew him.

Well NO SHIT. None of us know them. Really? Thanks Captain Obvious.

That does not change the fact that we can know things ABOUT them. You friggin retard.

I recently saw a documentary where JFK's Secret Service detail returned to Dealey Plaza and talked about the assassination, and the Kennedys. The agents loved JFK, Jackie and the kids. They said they served under Eisenhower, and he treated them good, but they were more like servants. They were very impressed that President Kennedy learned their names, and addressed them by them. They said they were made to feel like they were part of the family. The agents assigned to Caroline and John John were given full autonomy over the children. The kids were instructed to listen to the agents like they were their parents. When Jackie was on Air Force One still on the ground in Dallas after the assassination, Jackie called for agent Clint Hill who was assigned to guard her. Here she just lost her husband, and the reason she wanted to talk to him was to ask him, 'what will happen to you now Mr. Hill'?

Ok.... and WHAT does that have to do with ANYTHING?

Also, I do wonder about the above.... does that additional familiarity lend to being a bit more relaxed around those you are supposed to be guarding? Not implying anything by that, I am just curious.

Also.... good to see the Kennedy's pawned off the parenting role

That doesn't sound like uppity people. IT sounds like REAL human beings who have respect for others.

Who the hell said they were uppity? You are simply creating yet ANOTHER straw man.

 

[Bfgrn]

AGAIN MORON.... I did not claim to know why he started it. I stated where the money WENT. So, are you done with your idiotic straw men yet? Do you EVER plan to tell us WHICH of these is 'smear' and WHICH you believe 'didn't happen'????



Well NO SHIT. None of us know them. Really? Thanks Captain Obvious.

That does not change the fact that we can know things ABOUT them. You friggin retard.



Ok.... and WHAT does that have to do with ANYTHING?

Also, I do wonder about the above.... does that additional familiarity lend to being a bit more relaxed around those you are supposed to be guarding? Not implying anything by that, I am just curious.

Also.... good to see the Kennedy's pawned off the parenting role



Who the hell said they were uppity? You are simply creating yet ANOTHER straw man.

WOW, you really are a piece of scum. You were raised by wolves.

 

[WinterBorn]

WOW, you really are a piece of scum. You were raised by wolves.

Looking back over the thread, SF raised valid points about the Kennedy clan. You are simply too involved in hero worship to acknowledge that they ever did anything wrong.

Ted Kennedy had his name on plenty of legislation that you liked. Whether he did much work on that legislation was questioned, and you cry foul. Bring up the woman he murdered and you throw a hissy fit. But all of those were part of who Ted Kennedy was. You want to cherry-pick just the shining moments and pretend the rest didn't happen.

 

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WOW, you really are a piece of scum. You were raised by wolves.

ROFLMAO... I assume the above means you will yet again cower away from answering any of the questions/criticisms about the Kennedy clan?

You will simply bury your head in the sand and ignore all the bad, because you idolize the family in general..... is that correct?

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

Looking back over the thread, SF raised valid points about the Kennedy clan. You are simply too involved in hero worship to acknowledge that they ever did anything wrong.

Ted Kennedy had his name on plenty of legislation that you liked. Whether he did much work on that legislation was questioned, and you cry foul. Bring up the woman he murdered and you throw a hissy fit. But all of those were part of who Ted Kennedy was. You want to cherry-pick just the shining moments and pretend the rest didn't happen.

It's all your own fault... Bf00n started a perfectly fine Conservative-bashing thread and you guys jumped on the liberal icon Kennedy's! How dare you!

 

[Bfgrn]

Looking back over the thread, SF raised valid points about the Kennedy clan. You are simply too involved in hero worship to acknowledge that they ever did anything wrong.

Ted Kennedy had his name on plenty of legislation that you liked. Whether he did much work on that legislation was questioned, and you cry foul. Bring up the woman he murdered and you throw a hissy fit. But all of those were part of who Ted Kennedy was. You want to cherry-pick just the shining moments and pretend the rest didn't happen.

Maybe you need to read over the thread and take off you partisan glasses. SF refuses to give credit without some caveat or slam. He has twisted every incident or story about the Kennedys into a negative.

"Ted didn't really work on the legislation"

"Eunice was able to create Special Olympics because of daddy's trust fund"

"additional familiarity lend to being a bit more relaxed around those you are supposed to be guarding?"

"the Kennedy's pawned off the parenting role"

SF is a slime ball.

 

[WinterBorn]

Maybe you need to read over the thread and take off you partisan glasses. SF refuses to give credit without some caveat or slam. He has twisted every incident or story about the Kennedys into a negative.

"Ted didn't really work on the legislation"

"Eunice was able to create Special Olympics because of daddy's trust fund"

"additional familiarity lend to being a bit more relaxed around those you are supposed to be guarding?"

"the Kennedy's pawned off the parenting role"

SF is a slime ball.

And you accepted no comment of anything negative about the Kennedys without whining. The fact that you go off on him for basically doing what he did.

 

[Bfgrn]

And you accepted no comment of anything negative about the Kennedys without whining. The fact that you go off on him for basically doing what he did.

Bullshit. You and SF will 'allow' praise of the Kennedys, just as long as I cower and say they are slime. They were and are human, very human. But their private lives should be THEIR business, not ours. You just can't seem to absorb that can you WB?

What is really ironic is the slander piece SF posted without giving credit to the author is titled: 'Reckless Sex and Power'. If you know JFK, studied his administration and the events that occurred during those 3 turbulent years, the words 'Reckless' and 'power' LEAST describe the man. As a matter of fact, if America had a 'Reckless' man in the White House during the Cuban Missile Crisis, there would be no America and you and I would not be having this conversation.

 

[DamnYankee]

The Kennedys were shit.

 

[WinterBorn]

Bullshit. You and SF will 'allow' praise of the Kennedys, just as long as I cower and say they are slime. They were and are human, very human. But their private lives should be THEIR business, not ours. You just can't seem to absorb that can you WB?

What is really ironic is the slander piece SF posted without giving credit to the author is titled: 'Reckless Sex and Power'. If you know JFK, studied his administration and the events that occurred during those 3 turbulent years, the words 'Reckless' and 'power' LEAST describe the man. As a matter of fact, if America had a 'Reckless' man in the White House during the Cuban Missile Crisis, there would be no America and you and I would not be having this conversation.

I recognize that the Kennedys did a lot of good. I also recognize that they skirted rules, cheated on spouses, lied to authorities and the public, and more.

I see them as real people. You, however, seem hell bent to make them saints.

Their private lives effected all of us. Is ted Kennedy's murder of Mary Jo something that should have remained private?