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Texas size GED, my wife has a gun. I said guns are for pussies and women.
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Texas size GED, my wife has a gun. I said guns are for pussies and women.
Bfgrn
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Joe Kennedy raised a family of terrific kids that did a lot for America. WHERE did they get their values?
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The Almighty
You mean the values like:
1) Leaving Mary Jo to drown
2) JFK's cheating on Jackie
Bottom line, your assertion was that the Kennedy family did so much.... yet you ignore the fact that Joe destroyed a lot of lives with his actions. His negatives far outweigh the positives of his kids. JFK and Bobby didn't have much time to accomplish much given their assassinations. Teddy was a drunken mess and an embarrassment. While he could at times put forth a positive effort, he had many negatives that went along with them.
Joe Jr. and Catherine, like their brothers died way too early in life.
But please... do tell us the positives of the kids that you think outweigh the highly unethical behavior of their father.
Space race and race relations are the two that spring to mind. Any others you care to share?
Bfgrn
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Thanks for proving the only thing you know about the Kennedy family is right wing smear garbage.
Nothing Joe Kennedy Sr. did cost anyone their life. He raised a family that dedicated their lives to public service. He required each child at dinner time to be able to discuss a current event or issue and be able to expand on their views and explain what they believed were the right solutions.
I challenge you to name a Kennedy that is not involved in public service and helping fellow citizens?
'Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country' is not rhetoric. It DEFINES Joe Kennedy's family.
DamnYankee
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Yeah, bootlegging didn't cost any lives. /sarcasm
DamnYankee
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Joe instilled in his children the values that made him rich:
1. Find a loophole, legal or illegal, and exploit it;
2. It's not what you know but who you know and trade favors with.
1. Find a loophole, legal or illegal, and exploit it;
2. It's not what you know but who you know and trade favors with.
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Wrong asshole.... he and others that shorted the crap out of the market, helped lead to the financial crash. It is actions such as his that led to the uptick rule being put in place and Glass Steagall being implemented. Since you are obviously oblivious to anything wrong in this.... keep in mind the number of people who lost their savings and took their lives as a result. Not to mention those that went hungry when the job market imploded.... all while the Kennedy family sat in luxury.
Yes, we are quite aware that they were bred for politics. Hence my original comment that they were designed to be a hereditary ruling class of a family. Thanks for proving my point.
I challenge you to name a Kennedy that isn't living off the family trust fund that Joe created.... that is consequently NOT subject to the estate tax that other families get hit with.
ok... so you are not capable of answering my question? What a shock.
Again.... WHAT is it that they have done for this country. I listed two... the space race (JFK) and race relations (Bobby and to a lesser degree JFK). What else has the vast Kennedy clan done?
As for philanthropy.... it is quite easy to do when you have a vast fortune that was made by extremely unethical behavior.
Bfgrn
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Oh I see...we must accept right wing smear garbage as fact before we discuss the Kennedys.
DamnYankee
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OIC, we must accept your version of history before we discuss the Kennedys.
Did people die due to bootlegging or not, boot licker?
Bfgrn
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A recurrent urban legend about Kennedy is that he made money in bootlegging, the illegal importation and distribution of alcohol during Prohibition. Although there is no hard evidence of this, Kennedy did have extensive investments in the legal importation of spirits. The "bootlegging" rumor itself may be traceable to Canadian distiller Samuel Bronfman and to New England bootlegger Danny Walsh and his crime syndicate, which did in fact smuggle spirits across the Canadian-American border during this period. Post-Prohibition, Bronfman had a bitter rivalry with Kennedy in acquiring North American liquor distribution rights.
DamnYankee
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LOL. No-one but you believes Joe wasn't a bootlegger.
Minister of Truth
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Playing off of this, Pablo Escobar was a huge local philanthropist where he lived in Colombia. He set an example for other cartel bosses to follow in this regard, of winning over local support. Anyone think of him as a public servant? Hell, anyone think of the vast majority of politicians, to include the Kennedys, as public servants?
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Two questions that apparently cannot be answered by Potspin and Legion:
I won't hold my breath.
I won't hold my breath.
Topspin
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You will cry to your mommy though you little bitch.
I already pointed out disarm the criminal first, Junior.
Bfgrn
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Did you know Oscar Wilde personally?
A cynic is a man who knows the price of everything but the value of nothing.
Oscar Wilde
If you took a piece of paper and drew a line down the middle, and on one side were listed the positive contributions of the Kennedy family and on the other ledger were listed the negatives, the verdict would be overwhelmingly positive...overwhelmingly.
I guess it is strictly just partisanship for you. They are liberals and Democrats. And the fact the Kennedys help the poor, disabled, voiceless, disadvantaged and most vulnerable in our society, goes against conservative beliefs of only doing for the opulent, and those that don't achieve opulence must be punished so they can see their weaknesses.
How many Kennedys do you want? I'll start with 3, but I can provide more.
Senator Edward M. Kennedy
1932-2009
Kennedy's Legacy: A Long List of Legislative Achievements
The following is a list of legislation molded in whole or part by Kennedy:
1964: Head Start
-- Provided meals and early education to pre-school children through the Employee Opportunity Act.
1965: Hart-Cellar Act:
-- Changed immigration policy to abolish quotas and lift a 1924 ban on immigration from Asia.
1968: Bilingual Education Act
-- Mandated for schools to provide bilingual education programs.
1970: Voting Age
-- Lowered the age to vote to 18.
1971: Federal Cancer Research Program
-- Quadrupled the amount of money spent by the federal government to fight cancer.
1972: Meals on Wheels
-- Strengthened the federal program offering nutritional meals to homebound seniors.
1972: WIC
-- Offered food, nutrition counseling and health services to low-income women, infants, and children.
1972: Title IX
-- Demanded equal funding for men's and women's athletics on college campuses.
1974: Campaign Finance
-- Imposed limits on contributions to political candidates and set up a public financing option, post-Watergate.
1975: Individuals with Disabilities Education Act (IDEA)
-- Guaranteed free and appropriate public education to children with disabilities.
1978: Civil Rights Commission Act Amendments
-- Expanded the jurisdiction of the Civil Rights Commission to protect people from discrimination on the basis of disability.
1978: Airline Deregulation
-- Allowed airlines to choose their own fares, reducing costs for consumers.
1980: Refugee Act
-- Established a U.S. policy for providing humanitarian assistance, admission and resettlement to refugees around the world.
1981: Fuel Assistance
-- Provided home heating fuel for low-income and working poor families.
1983: Martin Luther King Day
-- Established a national holiday to celebrate Martin Luther King's birthday.
1984: Improved Access to Polling Stations
-- Required polling stations to provide physical accessibility for physically disabled and elderly people on federal election days.
1986: Employment Opportunities for Disabled Americans Act
-- Allowed disabled workers to receive SSI benefits and Medicaid coverage.
1986: Anti-Apartheid Sanctions
-- Banned the purchase of gold, coal, iron, and other goods from South Africa to protest apartheid.
1987: Even Start
-- Offered early education, family literacy and related services to disadvantaged parents and their children.
1988: Fair Housing Act Amendments
-- Prohibited discrimination towards people with disabilities in the sale or rental of housing.
1989: National Military Child Care Act
-- Established the Department of Defense child care system.
1990: Americans with Disabilities Act
-- Prohibited discrimination against any qualified individual with a disability in job application procedures, hiring or discharge, compensation, advancement and training.
1990: Ryan White CARE Act
-- Provided assistance to states to develop effective and cost-efficient AIDS care programs, aimed particularly at early diagnosis and home care.
1991: Strategic Arms Reduction Treaty
-- Halved the world's nuclear arsenal through cooperation with the U.S.S.R.
1991: Women in Combat
-- Lifted the ban on women serving as combat aviators.
1992: Summer Jobs for Youth Program
-- Appropriated $500 million to give 300,000 youth with summer employment.
1992: Mammography Quality Standards Act
-- Ensured the safety and accuracy of mammograms and promoted the use of the procedure
1993: National and Community Service Trust Act
-- Created AmeriCorps and the Corporation for National and Community Service to help expand volunteerism and education grants for students who choose to volunteer for service after college.
1993: Student Loans
-- Allowed students to borrow money for college directly from the federal government.
1994: Family and Medical Leave Act
-- Provided up to 12 weeks of unpaid leave for family emergencies or after the birth of infants.
1994: Crime Act
-- Secured funding for 100,000 new police officers, imposed new penalties for crimes involving gangs and firearms and authorized the Police Corps, a program to award college scholarships to students in return for a commitment to serve as police officers.
1996: Kennedy-Kassebaum Act
-- Enabled employees to keep health insurance after leaving their job and prohibited insurance companies from refusing to renew coverage on the basis of preexisting medical conditions.
1996: Mental Health Parity Bill
-- Eliminated limits on mental health coverage that differ from other covered illnesses.
1996: Temporary Assistance to Needy Families Act
-- Established Welfare-to-Work Initiatives to reduce the number of families dependent on government assistance.
1996/2007: Minimum Wage
-- Increased the minimum wage from $4.25 to $5.15 in 1996, and then again from $5.15 in 2007 to $7.25 by 2009.
1997: State Children's Health Insurance Program (SCHIP)
-- Supported state efforts to provide health insurance to uninsured children in low-income families.
2000: Minority Health and Health Disparities Research and Education Act
-- Improved data systems and research on the extent and severity of minority health problems, and authorized significant resources to help enhance the delivery of health care to minorities.
2000 Public Health Threats and Emergencies Act
-- Introduced initiatives to control the spread of germs resistant to antibiotics, and to protect the country against bioterrorism.
2001: No Child Left Behind Act
-- Required more rigorous testing of public school students and permitted parents to transfer their children from low-performing to higher-performing schools.
2002: Bioterrorism Preparedness Act
-- Established plan to help the country prevent, prepare for and respond to bioterrorism and other public health emergencies.
2002: Enhanced Border Security and Visa Entry Reform Act
-- Expanded the country's intelligence and law enforcement capabilities to help identify individuals who have violated visas or have links to terrorist organizations.
2003: Up-Armored Humvees
-- Provided funding for additional armor for military vehicles to meet the safety needs of American troops.
2003: PROTECT Act
-- Provided funding for AMBER Alert notification systems along U.S. highways and awarded grants to states for the implementation of improved communication technologies.
2005: Gulf Coast Recovery and Preparedness Act
-- Provided emergency funding to assist in the recovery efforts after Hurricane Katrina.
2006: Family Opportunity Act
-- Provided states the opportunity to expand Medicaid coverage to children with special needs and allowed low- and middle-income families with disabled children the ability to purchase coverage under the Medicaid program.
Eunice Kennedy Shriver
1921-2009
As founder and honorary chairperson of Special Olympics and executive vice president of the Joseph P. Kennedy, Jr. Foundation, Eunice Kennedy Shriver was a leader in the worldwide struggle to improve and enhance the lives of individuals with intellectual disabilities for more than three decades.
Born in Brookline, Massachusetts, the fifth of nine children of Joseph P. and Rose Fitzgerald Kennedy, Eunice Mary Kennedy received a Bachelor of Arts degree in sociology from Stanford University in Palo Alto, California.
Following graduation, she worked for the U.S. State Department in the Special War Problems Division. In 1950, she became a social worker at the Penitentiary for Women in Alderson, West Virginia, and the following year she moved to Chicago to work with the House of the Good Shepherd and the Chicago Juvenile Court. In 1957, Shriver took over the direction of the Joseph P. Kennedy, Jr. Foundation.
The Foundation, established in 1946 as a memorial to Joseph P. Kennedy, Jr.--the family's eldest son, who was killed in World War II--has two major objectives: to seek the prevention of intellectual disabilities by identifying its causes, and to improve the means by which society deals with citizens who have intellectual disabilities.
Under Shriver's leadership, the Foundation has helped achieve many significant advances, including the establishment by President Kennedy of The President's Committee on Mental Retardation in 1961, development of the National Institute for Child Health and Human Development in 1962, the establishment of a network of university-affiliated facilities and mental retardation research centers at major medical schools across the United States in 1967, the establishment of Special Olympics in 1968, the creation of major centers for the study of medical ethics at Harvard and Georgetown Universities in 1971, the creation of the "Community of Caring" concept for the reduction of intellectual disabilities among babies of teenagers in 1981, the institution of 16 "Community of Caring" Model Centers in 1982, and the establishment of "Community of Caring" programs in 1200 public and private schools from 1990-2006.
Recognized throughout the world for her efforts on behalf of persons with intellectual disabilities, Shriver received many honors and awards, including: the Presidential Medal of Freedom, the Legion of Honor, the Priz de la Couronne Francaise, the Mary Lasker Award, the Philip Murray-William Green Award (presented to Eunice and Sargent Shriver by the AFL-CIO), the AAMD Humanitarian Award, the NRPAS National Volunteer Service Award, the Laetare Medal of the University of Notre Dame, the Order of the Smile of Polish Children, the Franklin D. Roosevelt Four Freedoms Freedom from Want Award, The National Women's Hall of Fame, the Laureus Sports Award, the National Collegiate Athletics Association (NCAA) Theodore Roosevelt Award, and the International Olympic Committee Award.
Her honorary degrees included: Yale University, the College of the Holy Cross, Princeton University, Regis College, Manhattanville College, Newton College, Brescia College, Central Michigan University, Loyola College, University of Vermont, Albertus Magnus College, Cardinal Strich University, Georgetown University and Marymount University.
On 24 March 1984, U.S. President Reagan awarded Shriver the Presidential Medal of Freedom, the nation's highest civilian award, for her work on behalf of persons with intellectual disabilities, and in, 2005 she was honored for her work with Special Olympics as one of the first recipients of a sidewalk medallion on The Extra Mile Point of Light Pathway in Washington D.C.
Eunice Kennedy Shriver died on August 11, 2009. Her husband, Sargent Shriver, died January 18, 2011. They are survived by their five children: Robert Sargent Shriver III, Maria Owings Shriver Schwarzenegger, Timothy Perry Shriver, Mark Kennedy Shriver and Anthony Paul Kennedy Shriver.
Joseph P. Kennedy II
1952-
Joseph P. Kennedy II is the eldest son of U.S. Senator Robert F. Kennedy and Ethel Skakel Kennedy.
The founder of Citizens Energy Corporation, Joseph P. Kennedy II has served as Chairman and President of the company since 1998 following 12 years of service representing the 8th Congressional District of Massachusetts in the U.S. House of Representatives.
Kennedy founded the non-profit company in 1979 to provide low-cost heating oil to the poor and elderly. Under his leadership, Citizens grew to encompass seven separate companies, including the largest energy conservation firm in the U.S. During his tenure, Citizens became one of the nation's first energy firms to move large volumes of natural gas to over 30 states. As a precursor to market changes under electricity deregulation in the late 1990s, Citizens was a pioneer in moving and marketing electrical power over the grid. More recently, Citizens has expanded its oil heat program to serve customers in 23 states and the District of Columbia, as well as pursue renewable energy projects involving wind and geothermal generation. Each commercial venture is aimed at generating revenues that in turn would be used to assist the poor and those in need in the United States and abroad.
During his 12 years on Capitol Hill, Kennedy devised creative and innovative approaches to addressing social needs, particularly in the ways that the private sector, rather than government agencies, could help communities achieve economic growth and prosperity. Kennedy's many initiatives included legislation that:
* Expanded the availability of credit to working Americans to buy homes and open businesses. Fair lending reforms introduced by Kennedy have allowed hundreds of thousands of families to obtain mortgages.
* Helped create hundreds of thousands of new affordable housing units nationwide by introducing tax credits to stimulate private investment in neighborhood housing developments.
*Proposed a balanced budget amendment as a vehicle to end skyrocketing deficits, bring down interest rates, and free up investment capital for business growth rather than government bonds.
* Overhauled federal public housing law for the first time in 60 years, giving local housing authorities the tools they need to raise standards while protecting the poorest Americans who depend on public housing for shelter.
* Preserved and expanded federal research and development accounts that stimulate the creation of new technologies and build the foundation for new jobs and business growth.
Throughout his career in Congress, Kennedy served on the House Banking Committee, where he played an active role in the federal savings and loan bailout, credit reporting reform, Glass-Steagall overhaul, and financial modernization. Kennedy also served on the House Veterans Affairs Committee, passing legislation to strengthen the veterans health care system, investigate the causes of Persian Gulf Syndrome, and provide medical treatment for veterans of the first Persian Gulf War.
In addition to his role as Chairman and President of Citizens Energy, Kennedy advises and serves on the boards of several companies in the energy, telecommunications, and health care industries. The son of the late U.S. Senator Robert F. Kennedy and Ethel Kennedy, Joe Kennedy is married to Beth Kelly Kennedy and is the father of twin sons. He is a graduate of the University of Massachusetts at Boston.
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And how would you propose we do that? Most of them already have at least one felony conviction, so it is illegal for them to have a gun. But they seem to have no problem getting them.
How do you propose we disarm the criminals?
DamnYankee
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You pointed out nothing, Mr. Faux MBA.
Please tell me HOW we will disarm criminals, when attempts to do so in other countries has failed.