Conservatives: fighting for your freedom to pay money to useless insurance CEO's

PostmodernProphet said:
no, but if you are young and single you can get it for $95 a month from BC/BS....at least that was the price when I got a quote for my son a couple years ago when he was between jobs....
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Well, I have a preexisting condition, so my BC/BS quote (young, single) was over $200 a month. To be frank, though, I couldn't even afford $95 a month. I'm serious when I say that the only things I spend money on are public transit, food, and rent. I get paid tomorrow and currently I have $1.14 in my checking account.

I'll vote straight republican ticket in the 2010 midterms if you guys tell me the market solution to my health care needs.
 
Our current health care system is unsustainable and unfair, and we can't let fear and ignorance stop reform.

Under the proposals currently before Congress, health insurers would not be allowed to deny coverage because of pre-existing conditions, coverage would be portable so that people don't lose it when they are unemployed or switching jobs, and cost control measures would be enacted so that premiums don't keep going up.

The standard Blue Cross/Blue Shield plan that Congress and 3.7 million other federal employees are on has a $300 annual deductible and monthly premiums of $152.06 for an individual or $356.59 for a family. There's a $20 copay for each physical therapy visit and a $10 copay for generic drugs or $65 for brand-name drugs.

Use this month's congressional recess to get the truth about what's being proposed.
 
DNC said:
The standard Blue Cross/Blue Shield plan that Congress and 3.7 million other federal employees are on has a $300 annual deductible and monthly premiums of $152.06 for an individual or $356.59 for a family. There's a $20 copay for each physical therapy visit and a $10 copay for generic drugs or $65 for brand-name drugs.
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cheaper than I pay....why not just let the rest of us join the federal government's BC/BS group....that would be a considerable savings.....Congress wouldn't even agree to give up it's coverage and sign up for the government's plan.....therefore, it must be worse.....for that matter, if private insurance is so bad, why does the government currently use BC/BS instead of self-insuring......
 
Let me start by dispelling the outlandish rumors that reform will promote euthanasia, or cut Medicaid, or bring about a government takeover of health care. That's simply not true.

As we draw close to finalizing and passing real health insurance reform, the defenders of the status quo and political point-scorers in Washington are growing fiercer in their opposition.

In recent days and weeks, some have been using misleading information to defeat what they know is the best chance of reform we have ever had. That is why it is important, especially now, as senators and representatives head home and meet with their constituents, for you, the American people, to have all the facts.

While reform is obviously essential for the 47 million Americans who don't have health insurance, it will also provide more stability and security to the hundreds of millions who do.

What we need, and what we will have when we pass health insurance reform, are consumer protections to make sure that those who have insurance are treated fairly and that insurance companies are held accountable.

Insurance companies will no longer be able to deny coverage because of a previous illness or injury. And insurance companies will no longer be allowed to drop or water down coverage for someone who has become seriously ill.

Your health insurance ought to be there for you when it counts, and reform will make sure it is.
 
Strange how most of the media talk on health care reform is only of the negatives and virtually none on the positives.
 
The federal government contributes an average of $764 per month toward premiums for federal workers with family coverage, and employees contribute an average of $357 per month.
 
PostmodernProphet said:
I will concur that people with half brains think this is a good idea....beyond that, I disagree with everything you say.....
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What the fuck is there to disagree with? Everything in that post was absolutely true. You're such a victim of your own disinformation that you can't even tell fact from fiction anymore.

Here it is again.

PostmodernProphet said:
uhhhhno.....the premium is the same....it was expensive before, it's expensive after....you just don't have anyone helping you pay it anymore....you see this is the problem.....you thought it was free before.....and you want it to be free again.....but instead of your boss paying it for you, you want me to pay it for you.....because you know I can't fire you.....
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Straw man.

Obama isn't proposing a single payer, free system. He's proposing a public insurance OPTION you can buy into like regular insurance but which doesn't suffer from the high overhead of having to pay CEOs millions, pay for advertising, and having to turn a huge profit to make shareholders happy.

Your problem is you can't debate what's actually being debate. If you did that, you'd quickly realize you were fucking retarded to actually oppose what anyone with half a brain realizes is a great idea.
 
Yurt said:
i watched the video as the health issue is near and dear to my home...if you will remember my posts a couple of weeks ago WM...and for those that know me personally on this board and dp and usmb....they know of my family member's recent passing and the situation

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i don't have a problem with this, however, i have often been accused of this by dems when talking about some conservative issues....seems ok for dems, but no one else. with that said....there is a problem in this country regarding h/c....nothing in the constitution makes h/c a right....you would have to interpret that into the constitution. a whole argument could ensue from this, especially given the vast differences in medical care today and when the founders were alive. what is the answer? i've posited some plans i think would work. are they a fix all.....most likely not. is obama's the ONLY plan...most likely not.

unfortunately the dems have now turned this into political football. if you don't support it, you're EVIL, you're an OBSTRUCTIONIST, you're ANTI AMERICAN....you know, the same things dems complained the repubs did....

fuck politics for moment....what is the answer
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You keep suggesting a public healthcare option will fail, without providing a shred of actual, real-world experience. You are just emotionally invested in parroting Glenn Beck.

Every public healthcare system, in every developed nation on the planet works reasonably well, is more cost effective than our system, and by almost all healthcare metrics provides better results broadly, across the board.

I’d like for you to name one single developed democratic country, where public healthcare utterly failed.

Here’s a clue: you won’t find one.

And whatever your tragic personal situation is with family member, my condolences. But don’t hold that out that as if it makes you more credible. We’ve all had devastating personal situations pertaining to health care. The private, for profit health insurance industry couldn’t help someone close to me, and I had to get very creative to resolve the problem. What the eff kind of system is that? Americans shouldn’t have to get desperate, or creative to resolve health issues. This is a ridiculous way to have a health care system.



p.s. health care is a human right. Heartless conservatives are always quick to deny its a human right, but holler like cornered baboons when any regulation is put on guns.

The constitution does not limit rights to those in the bill of rights. The fact that you think there is a statutory limitation only exists in your mind, because its what glenn beck told you.

The US is a signatory to the Human Rights Convention. In fact, I'm pretty sure RONALD REAGAN signed it. The human rights convention specifies that health care is a basic, human right all people should have access to.

Ronald Reagan and the US have affirmed this position. The ink on the signatories of the convention, bears their name.
 
ib1yysguy said:
Straw man.
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everything you're afraid to respond to is a "straw man"....

Obama isn't proposing a single payer, free system. He's proposing a public insurance OPTION you can buy into like regular insurance but which doesn't suffer from the high overhead of having to pay CEOs millions, pay for advertising, and having to turn a huge profit to make shareholders happy.
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I don't care if Obama is "proposing" that....we're debating what Congress is putting on the table, which apparently has nothing to do with what Obama is "proposing", since it doesn't resemble it....
 
ib1yysguy said:
You know where I can get health insurance for $25 a month?
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Did you try WallGreens?
You said you had to "save up" for months, just for a $75 / once a year procedure.
You could do it in just 3 months and over the next 9 months, you would have $225 for the medication you said you couldn't afford.
 
USFREEDOM911 said:
Did you try WallGreens?
You said you had to "save up" for months, just for a $75 / once a year procedure.
You could do it in just 3 months and over the next 9 months, you would have $225 for the medication you said you couldn't afford.
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Gee, I had absolutely no idea Walgreens sold health insurance. Thanks for the tip. Retard.
 
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