Congress shall make no law prohibiting the free exercise of religion.

Eno L. Camino said:
People who are not citizens or permanent residents, who are outside of US sovereign territory, are probably not within US jurisdiction, either.
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The first is not limited to those within jurisdiction, the 14th specifically does limit the restriction to those within a States Jurisdiction.
 
NOVA said:
As the 1st amendment does also.....Muslims can practice their religion in US ...There is nothing in the constitution that says we MUST allow anyone to enter the country.....

Allowing immigration is OUR call, not anyone else....Our laws are for those "within our jurisdiction" .....
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Idiot, where does the 1st limit its restriction to only those "within our jurisdiction"?

1st Amendment, without a jurisdictional limit.

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances."


14th Amendment, with a jurisdictional limit.

nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

Its our call, and must be done within the restrictions of OUR Constitution. That means it cannot be done in a way that discriminates against people based on religion.
 
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Jarod said:
I think that action was both unconstitutional and inchonsable.
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I notice no one says anything about it being so bad in their praise of FDR. They applaud him for what they consider good yet no mention of that action. I guess as long as he furthered socialism, it doesn't matter what else he did.
 
Jarod said:
Idiot, where does the 1st limit its restriction to only those "within our jurisdiction"?

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances."

Its our call, and must be done within the restrictions of OUR Constitution. That means it cannot be done in a way that discriminates against people based on religion.
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Just to be clear, are you saying that people who have never been to the U.S. are protected by things within the U.S. Constitution?
 
SmarterthanYou said:
your anger is clouding your judgement. relax. i'm only trying to help you. follow what i said in the thread, k?
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It sounds like you need the help. I'm so far above you the only way you could help me is do away with yourself and quit dragging the rest of us down.
 
You see, a person in Mexico does not have a Constitutional protection of due process but they are protected by the 1St Amendment vis-a-ve the American Constitution.
 
Stelakh said:
Rather like certain "unenumerated rights," then? Where do those rights not specifically granted under the Constitution stop? The argument is the same. The Supreme Court has not just a right but a duty to engage in judicial review in order to ensure that laws are, in fact, Constitutional and to strike down those laws that are not.
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what they do NOT have is the power to alter or deny rights. why is that so fricking hard for people to comprehend?

Stelakh said:
In fact I'm well aware of who wrote the Bill of Rights and the Constitution. I'm also well aware that those who wrote it, most notably Madison and Jefferson, addressed the idea of judicial review outside of the Constitutional framework (Jefferson didn't like it, Madison thought it was important - Federalist No. 39 and 44 - although he was worried it would elevate the judiciary above the legislature.).
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again, there is a difference between laws and rights. when marbury v. madison was done, it didn't actually change anything from what they already had via the constitution. what it's been construed to do since then is for the courts to alter, deny, or find new rights when that wasn't in their purview.
 
CFM said:
Just to be clear, are you saying that people who have never been to the U.S. are protected by things within the U.S. Constitution?
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They absolutely are protected by some of the natural God given rights mentioned in our Constitution, you see, your government is not only prohibited from trying to take certain God given rights from its own citizens, it is prohibited from trying to take certain God given rights from any PERSON.
 
CFM said:
I notice no one says anything about it being so bad in their praise of FDR. They applaud him for what they consider good yet no mention of that action. I guess as long as he furthered socialism, it doesn't matter what else he did.
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I can find good and bad about any president, in fact any person.
 
Jarod said:
You see, a person in Mexico does not have a Constitutional protection of due process but they are protected by the 1St Amendment vis-a-ve the American Constitution.
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That has to be the dumbest statement I've heard in a long time. People in Mexico aren't granted rights by the U.S. Constitution. Sorry, doesn't work that way.
 
CFM said:
That has to be the dumbest statement I've heard in a long time. People in Mexico aren't granted rights by the U.S. Constitution. Sorry, doesn't work that way.
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this is why you're a fucking retard. you think the constitution GRANTS rights. you're so beyond help, it's pitiful.
 
Jarod said:
They absolutely are protected by some of the natural God given rights mentioned in our Constitution, you see, your government is not only prohibited from trying to take certain God given rights from its own citizens, it is prohibited from trying to take certain God given rights from any PERSON.
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You must be one of those open border pieces of shit.
 
SmarterthanYou said:
this is why you're a fucking retard. you think the constitution GRANTS rights. you're so beyond help, it's pitiful.
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I do? I guess you think "aren't granted rights by the Constitution" means I think it does. If you did, you're pitiful. You mere existence is a disgrace to humanity.

Are you one of those open border morons?
 
Jarod said:
Idiot, where does the 1st limit its restriction to only those "within our jurisdiction"?

1st Amendment, without a jurisdictional limit.

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances."


14th Amendment, with a jurisdictional limit.

nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

Its our call, and must be done within the restrictions of OUR Constitution. That means it cannot be done in a way that discriminates against people based on religion.
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1st Amendment, without a jurisdictional limit.????
Its OUR Constitution, fool....it carries no weight in any other place in the world except the US.....so don't talk like a buffoon....

We don't control what any other people do outside the US...OUR jurisdiction does not mean 'the world'.....

IF you are IN THIS COUNTRY, you get the benefits of living under our laws and Constitution....outside the US, our Constitution is meaningless.....

We are not stopping anyone from practicing their religion anywhere in the world....or stopping them from saying whatever they want to say....or carrying the weapons they desire....
we don't control them.....they are not under our jurisdiction.....
 
Jarod said:
How do you tell the difference between a Christian terrorist and a Christian that means no harm?

You have to be brave to live in a free country.

Give me liberty or give me death.
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Funny coming from you who is skeered of 1 degree of temperature.

Tell me. Why do you want these muslimes here so badly? Look at Europe. They have no desire to integrate and assimilate. Why do you hate this country? Do you have a suicide wish?

You think it is bravery that you are showing?
 
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