Congress shall make no law prohibiting the free exercise of religion.

Stelakh said:
Have you read that? It's fairly specific on who may or may not be denied a visa.

What it says is that if someone is known to be a terrorist, or known to have engaged in terrorist activities, or had military training with a terrorist group, then they may be denied a visa. And it goes on to define that "terrorist" means.

It in no way authorizes the banning of the issuance of visas, temporarily or permanently, based solely upon the religion of a person.

You are 100% wrong in your assertion that religion is enough to trigger the suspension of visa issuance.
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It's you that didn't read it. The US would not have to use a religious measure- but any nation state that supports, either by out right support, or passive support, would b reason enough. It is Islam that makes it religious, not the US.

There are plenty of legal arguments to support a temporary ban on visas.
 
Stelakh said:
(Sigh) We've been over this before. While I don't want to derail the thread too much with this sideline, I guess it's necessary to say it again.

The Supreme Court has ruled that the 2nd Amendment (indeed all of them) are "not without limitation."
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the supreme court does not have the power to rewrite the constitution. the fact that they are, and that the people allow it, says much worse about the people than it does the court.
 
Jarod said:
I know your argument, I disagree.
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so you disagree with the framers, debaters, and ratifiers (we the people) of the constitution?

like i said at the beginning of this thread, you statists reap what you sow when you allow your own ideologies to rewrite the constitution
 
CFM said:
What constitutional protections does someone not here and never having been here have? Are you saying that because someone has a desire to come to the U.S. they have rights under the U.S. Constitution?
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Absolutely, In some circumstances the Constitution makes it clear it applies to ALL PEOPLE, but I don't have to prove that for Trump's plan to be unconstitutional, based on what he said... a Muslim living and having been born in the United States, a natural born citizen, would not be allowed to leave for vacation then return.
 
Jarod said:
So, for national security, we should be allowed to suspend the Constitution?
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If someone wanting to come here and have never been here is denied for whatever reason permission to come, they can't be denied protections from something that doesn't apply to them. A foreigner that requests to come to the U.S. doesn't have protections of the Constitution because they make the request.
 
CFM said:
What constitutional protections does someone not here and never having been here have? Are you saying that because someone has a desire to come to the U.S. they have rights under the U.S. Constitution?
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the constitution restricts government, it does not restrict people.
 
Jarod said:
You can ban people involved in Terrorism, but you cant ban the entire religion. You see, there is a difference between being a Muslim and being a terrorist. The fact that the ban would be temporary does not make it more or less constitutional. Its not relevant to the Constitutionality.

You guys rant about how sacred the Constitution is, and I agree. Be consistant in your belifes, have some integrity!
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How do you tell the difference between a muslime terrorist and a muslime that means no harm? Do they have marks? Will they tell you?

The US Constitution isn't a suicide pact.
 
SmarterthanYou said:
so you disagree with the framers, debaters, and ratifiers (we the people) of the constitution?

like i said at the beginning of this thread, you statists reap what you sow when you allow your own ideologies to rewrite the constitution
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Some of them, not all of them.

They never expressed an opinion on the right to own a machine gun.
 
CFM said:
You can travel freely within the country all you want. This isn't about within but from without. Big difference.
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still irrelevant

CFM said:
It must? According to you?
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no, according to the courts. strict scrutiny, i'm sure you've heard about it.

CFM said:
Hate to break it to you but someone that has never been to this country doesn't have constitutional protections because they want to come here no matter how much you may think they do.
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again, the constitution restricts government, it does not restrict the people.
 
I Love America said:
How do you tell the difference between a muslime terrorist and a muslime that means no harm? Do they have marks? Will they tell you?

The US Constitution isn't a suicide pact.
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How do you tell the difference between a Christian terrorist and a Christian that means no harm?

You have to be brave to live in a free country.

Give me liberty or give me death.
 
Jarod said:
Absolutely, In some circumstances the Constitution makes it clear it applies to ALL PEOPLE, but I don't have to prove that for Trump's plan to be unconstitutional, based on what he said... a Muslim living and having been born in the United States, a natural born citizen, would not be allowed to leave for vacation then return.
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The Constitution doesn't apply to someone from another country because they request permission to come here.

I'm not talking about citizens leaving and returning. I thought that was clear but apparently not to you.

Strange how those like you admonish Donald Trump yet praise the very President who imprisoned U.S. citizens solely because of their Japanese heritage.
 
Jarod said:
How do you tell the difference between a Christian terrorist and a Christian that means no harm?
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Apparently you lefties don't make that distinction. You consider any Christian a domestic terrorist, at least those whose beliefs aren't like your own.
 
Jarod said:
How do you tell the difference between a Christian terrorist and a Christian that means no harm?

You have to be brave to live in a free country.

Give me liberty or give me death.
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how can you possibly reconcile this attitude with your belief that machine guns can be banned for public safety reasons?
 
SmarterthanYou said:
still irrelevant

no, according to the courts. strict scrutiny, i'm sure you've heard about it.

again, the constitution restricts government, it does not restrict the people.
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Still spouting that anarchist bullshit I see.

The constitution of the U.S. doesn't apply to foreigners that have stated an intention of coming here no matter how much you think it does.

Just be honest. You want open borders and very limited rules about who can come in and who can't.
 
SmarterthanYou said:
the supreme court does not have the power to rewrite the constitution. the fact that they are, and that the people allow it, says much worse about the people than it does the court.
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The Supreme Court has the authority, inherent and implied, of judicial review.

I may not agree with all of their decisions, but in placing limitations on provisions of the Constitution, they are well within their authority.
 
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