Christmas is racist

CFM said:
I don't know that I would call the changing of a season an important event. It happens about every three months.
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It happens once a year on the shortest day in the Northern Hemisphere. A Significant Event for our Ancient Ancestors. A Traditional Celebration. Sadly, one of the Religious Cults has attempted to usurp the Event as one of their own.
 
Jack said:
I'm not sure where JPP found all these Man-God Worshippers, odd there are so many in one place, but either way, I'm just pointing out how they have leeched onto a more Important Historical Date to seize upon to try and promote their Cult.
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This is the fundamental problem with believers. They are not allowed to think inside the organization they believe in, which requires obedience and submission to a male domnator God. As John Trudell often pointed out, this disease, this way of looking at all life, and the planet, rolled out over the tribes of Europe first. We are all the descendants of tribes and a spiritual perceptual reality of the universe and the creator. That memory has been wiped out of american white consciousness pretty much, their enslavement having happened long before the disease rolled out across the rest of the planet via colonialism and proselytizing.

That perceptual reality was replaced with a male dominator god perceptual reality which gave rise to the notion that this male dominator god gave mankind, only the “chosen ones” mind you, dominion over the natural world, the planet, anything they “discovered”, and any other human beings they could manage to whip into consent. So you bring that into a technological perceptual reality era where we are now, and we’ve all been enslaved to/by a religious and economic system that has no other purpose than to continue the colonialization of all human beings, further redistributing and concentrating wealth into the pockets of fewer and fewer, much of that wealth coming from the natural world that was in place long before the humans who manipulate it into their own hands. In the same manner the system mines uranium or coal or gold, it also mines the energy, spirit, and soul of the human being to run these authoritarian systems that enslave us all. In essence, they mine the being part of the human being. Think about your own experiences in the corporate world if you have them.

And so all of this racism, classism, sexism, religion, et.al. arises from the system’s need to keep the masses quibbling amongst themselves. The same applies to the american political system; it is designed to prevent any gathering of the masses against the aristocracy. It’s an illusion, this democracy and liberty. You have ostensibly “two” political parties who very comfortably don’t really have to do anything at all except point at the “other” party and with your consent present them as evil and scary; disconnected from what? Well, they’re not “real” americans like you and they don’t bow as deeply to the male dominator god as you do. Again, go back and look at Bacon’s Rebellion and the aftermath. The power structure learned that lesson very well. The system also learned very well from the 60-70s / the Viet Nam War / Civil Rights era, the last large scale questioning of our authoritarian system. The beast is bigger and stronger now.

And it all goes back to the entwining of this religion with this political and economic system. When the Inquisition was waged to subjugate the tribes of Europe the church was the state. Then the euros brought it here to make the "new" world like the one they fled.
 
Fentoine Lum said:
And it was, The Inquisition, a slaughter/a genocide, to alter the perceptual reality of the tribes of Europe. And is was so successful, that by the time the descendants of the tribes of Europe got to the "new" world, they didn't even recall what it meant to be a human being. There were by then the property of the male dominator god, as was all they "found" for "him".
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This was more than a millenium after the collapse of Rome. Most of the genocides of European tribes had already been committed (like Gaul).
 
Jack said:
It happens once a year on the shortest day in the Northern Hemisphere. A Significant Event for our Ancient Ancestors. A Traditional Celebration. Sadly, one of the Religious Cults has attempted to usurp the Event as one of their own.
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The Christians of late Rome believed that the Annunciation happened on March 25th. It's tough that you don't agree with them. Given how Romans tended to celebrate holidays, the Puritans refused to honor Christmas, and it was some time before the holiday even caught on in America.
 
Threedee said:
This was more than a millenium after the collapse of Rome. Most of the genocides of European tribes had already been committed (like Gaul).
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I think you will find plenty of references to waging war for the souls of the heathen. It was a generational slaughter into submission.
 
Fentoine Lum said:
This is the fundamental problem with believers. They are not allowed to think inside the organization they believe in, which requires obedience and submission to a male domnator God. As John Trudell often pointed out, this disease, this way of looking at all life, and the planet, rolled out over the tribes of Europe first. We are all the descendants of tribes and a spiritual perceptual reality of the universe and the creator. That memory has been wiped out of american white consciousness pretty much, their enslavement having happened long before the disease rolled out across the rest of the planet via colonialism and proselytizing.

That perceptual reality was replaced with a male dominator god perceptual reality which gave rise to the notion that this male dominator god gave mankind, only the “chosen ones” mind you, dominion over the natural world, the planet, anything they “discovered”, and any other human beings they could manage to whip into consent. So you bring that into a technological perceptual reality era where we are now, and we’ve all been enslaved to/by a religious and economic system that has no other purpose than to continue the colonialization of all human beings, further redistributing and concentrating wealth into the pockets of fewer and fewer, much of that wealth coming from the natural world that was in place long before the humans who manipulate it into their own hands. In the same manner the system mines uranium or coal or gold, it also mines the energy, spirit, and soul of the human being to run these authoritarian systems that enslave us all. In essence, they mine the being part of the human being. Think about your own experiences in the corporate world if you have them.

And so all of this racism, classism, sexism, religion, et.al. arises from the system’s need to keep the masses quibbling amongst themselves. The same applies to the american political system; it is designed to prevent any gathering of the masses against the aristocracy. It’s an illusion, this democracy and liberty. You have ostensibly “two” political parties who very comfortably don’t really have to do anything at all except point at the “other” party and with your consent present them as evil and scary; disconnected from what? Well, they’re not “real” americans like you and they don’t bow as deeply to the male dominator god as you do. Again, go back and look at Bacon’s Rebellion and the aftermath. The power structure learned that lesson very well. The system also learned very well from the 60-70s / the Viet Nam War / Civil Rights era, the last large scale questioning of our authoritarian system. The beast is bigger and stronger now.

And it all goes back to the entwining of this religion with this political and economic system. When the Inquisition was waged to subjugate the tribes of Europe the church was the state. Then the euros brought it here to make the "new" world like the one they fled.
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Yeah, well, I notice the Caliph in Rome has a Wall around his place and nobody is complaining.

Here is a quote from Desmond Tutu:

"There is a story ... which is fairly well known, told about when Missionaries came to Africa, that they had the Bible and we, the natives, had the land. And then they said, "Let us pray", and we dutifully shut our eyes. And when we opened them, why, they now had the land and we had the Bible."
 
Jack said:
Yeah, well, I notice the Caliph in Rome has a Wall around his place and nobody is complaining.

Here is a quote from Desmond Tutu:

"There is a story ... which is fairly well known, told about when Missionaries came to Africa, that they had the Bible and we, the natives, had the land. And then they said, "Let us pray", and we dutifully shut our eyes. And when we opened them, why, they now had the land and we had the Bible."
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Same story on this land mass, and religion was leveraged to sanction genocide. Even as early as the 1500s Papal Bulls were calling for the extermination of those indigenous peoples present in the Americas. Columbus' first dispatches back stated they could make slaves of those he found.
 
Threedee said:
The Christians of late Rome believed that the Annunciation happened on March 25th. It's tough that you don't agree with them. Given how Romans tended to celebrate holidays, the Puritans refused to honor Christmas, and it was some time before the holiday even caught on in America.
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"The Annunciation (from Latin annuntiatio), also referred to as the Annunciation to the Blessed Virgin Mary, the Annunciation of Our Lady,[1] or the Annunciation of the Lord, is the Catholic celebration of the announcement by the Angel Gabriel to the Blessed Virgin Mary that she would conceive and become the mother of Jesus, the Son of God, marking His Incarnation.[2] Gabriel told Mary to name her son Yeshua, meaning "YHWH is salvation".[3]"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annunciation

'Angel Gabriel? Uh, yeah, who can dispute THAT? (rolling eyes)
'Blessed Virgin Mary'? Mmmmmm, not really sure that is possible here on Planet Earth, here in the Real World.
'mother of Jesus, son of God' (shaking head) Wake up, 3d. There are no 'Man-Gods'.

This is the 21st century, no one believes in 'Angels', no one believes in 'virgin births', no one believes in 'Man-Gods'. This is fodder for the Harry Potter kids and the Fantasy World.

3d: "It's tough that you don't agree with them."
Jack: Not really. I prefer to live in the Present (the 21st century) with everyone else, ... YOU prefer to live in the 3rd century.

I don't have a problem with the Religious Cults as long as they don't try to 'Take Over' everything they think they can lay their hands on. (Like the Winter Solstice)
 
Fentoine Lum said:
Same story on this land mass, and religion was leveraged to sanction genocide. Even as early as the 1500s Papal Bulls were calling for the extermination of those indigenous peoples present in the Americas. Columbus' first dispatches back stated they could make slaves of those he found.
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Hmmmm. I always wondered why everyone in South America was Roman Catholic? I guess it was 'spreading the Love of Jesus (ISIS style) by the Caliph in Rome'.
 
Jack said:
Hmmmm. I always wondered why everyone in South America was Roman Catholic? I guess it was 'spreading the Love of Jesus (ISIS style) by the Caliph in Rome'.
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Yeah, same urge, just brangin' the love-o-Jeebus to the "savages" in exchange for their land, liberty and resources. Same as they did in the "old" world.
 
Wolverine said:
Jesus Freaks is not an insult, it is a compliment it means I am seen living my life with God at the center. No one I repeat no one wants to or can force their belief down your throat, if so give me an example. As for Crosses, ten commandments memorials not one person is making you look at them.

If you care so little, stop complaining so much, about something that cannot possibly effect you.

You put whatever you want up next to the cross or ten commandments, do not care, but do not infringe on my rights to celebrate God the way I want to, trust me if you don't want to know I will not tell you. You as Romans 1 states have been given over to a reprobate mind, I a can only hope your children will see the light.

Again if you do not care stop whining!
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The idiot liberals seem to think that if they bitch and moan enough, that they'll be able to shake someone's religious belief.

I feel sorry for them and would like to be around, at the moment of their demise.
 
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You could have fooled me. Santa is much more powerful a force than jesus.

The tenets of Christianity as they stand in America today:

1. Join a church containing people of your race and socioeconomic status
2. Grudgingly go on Sunday for an hour half listening to excepts from a boring book you never bothered to read or stare at the hot slut in the pew three over
3. Come home to worship football and forget whatever they said at church, ignore your rugrats
4. Celebrate your holy days by logging onto Amazon and buying corporate labeled nondurables for people you never bother to even visit, calculating a return take in excess of expenditure
5. Mail courtesy copies of a vainglorious bio sketch of your wonderbread family's annual achievements and bulk mail said same note to all your frenemies with a glossy of your family posing at the beach wearing white shirts and khakis
6. Lord over your neighbors the selection of your christmas decorations as the best in the neighborhood by shaking your fist out the window in angst ridden triumphalism "take THAT, Ms Kawalski!!!!"
7. Vote for the most hate filled administration in history with all the wrong political ends and means.
8. Yell at your wife or husband letting your demon seed inherit all your profanity laced grunts and tirades
9. Lather rinse and repeat
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I'm having trouble distinguishing that from atheism.......except maybe you do it all while wearing a pork pie hat......
 
Jack said:
It happens once a year on the shortest day in the Northern Hemisphere. A Significant Event for our Ancient Ancestors. A Traditional Celebration. Sadly, one of the Religious Cults has attempted to usurp the Event as one of their own.
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Nothing significant about your ancestors celebrating a meaningless event.
 
Jack said:
"The Annunciation (from Latin annuntiatio), also referred to as the Annunciation to the Blessed Virgin Mary, the Annunciation of Our Lady,[1] or the Annunciation of the Lord, is the Catholic celebration of the announcement by the Angel Gabriel to the Blessed Virgin Mary that she would conceive and become the mother of Jesus, the Son of God, marking His Incarnation.[2] Gabriel told Mary to name her son Yeshua, meaning "YHWH is salvation".[3]"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annunciation

'Angel Gabriel? Uh, yeah, who can dispute THAT? (rolling eyes)
'Blessed Virgin Mary'? Mmmmmm, not really sure that is possible here on Planet Earth, here in the Real World.
'mother of Jesus, son of God' (shaking head) Wake up, 3d. There are no 'Man-Gods'.

This is the 21st century, no one believes in 'Angels', no one believes in 'virgin births', no one believes in 'Man-Gods'. This is fodder for the Harry Potter kids and the Fantasy World.

3d: "It's tough that you don't agree with them."
Jack: Not really. I prefer to live in the Present (the 21st century) with everyone else, ... YOU prefer to live in the 3rd century.

I don't have a problem with the Religious Cults as long as they don't try to 'Take Over' everything they think they can lay their hands on. (Like the Winter Solstice)
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My people (Christians) founded America. Your people (atheists) founded the Soviet Union. I think that my people did a better job, given that the USSR didn't even survive into the 21st Century.
 
Threedee said:
My people (Christians) founded America. Your people (atheists) founded the Soviet Union. I think that my people did a better job, given that the USSR didn't even survive into the 21st Century.
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hahahahahahahahahahaha ....... Thanks for proving my point! Some how, some way, the Christian-types just can't help themselves by trying to take over and rewrite History.

"Many Americans celebrate our founding father and all they did to help create our country. What few of them know is that many of the founding fathers were also freemasons. Some of the more notable founding fathers to also be masons are: George Washington, Ben Franklin lead the Pennsylvania chapter, Paul Revere lead a Massachusetts chapter, John Hancock, and Chief Justice John Marshall who greatly influenced the shaping of the Supreme Court. All together it is believed that about nine of the fifty-six men that signed the Declaration of Independence were masons, and about thirteen of the thirty-nine that signed the US Constitutions were also masons.'
http://projects.leadr.msu.edu/union...he-murder-of-w/freemason-and-the-founding-fat

YOUR people sponsored the Spanish Inquisition. One of the High Points in Christian History.
 
Threedee said:
My people (Christians) founded America. Your people (atheists) founded the Soviet Union. I think that my people did a better job, given that the USSR didn't even survive into the 21st Century.
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Here's the ONLY Catholic contribution:

"Charles Carroll (September 19, 1737 – November 14, 1832), known as Charles Carroll of Carrollton or Charles Carroll III to distinguish him from his similarly-named relatives,[2] was a wealthy Maryland planter and an early advocate of independence from the Kingdom of Great Britain and one of the signers of the American Declaration of Independence. He is sometimes referred to as one of the Founding Fathers of the United States of America, although he was not involved in framing the United States Constitution. He served as a delegate to the Continental Congress and Confederation Congress and later as first United States Senator for Maryland. He was the sole Catholic signer of the Declaration of Independence.[3]"
 
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