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Correct.
I responded to comments posted in the thread.

Isn't that how these fora are supposed to work?
 
sear said:
#40
Correct.
I responded to comments posted in the thread.

Isn't that how these fora are supposed to work?
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OK, then we're done. You responded to some comments related to your original post and also got over into cars and astronomy and stuff.
 
sear said:
In this season to be jolly, can we take an ecumenical look at a puzzling religious question?

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The simplest answer to Epicurus' riddle is that God is a fantasy invention with no basis in reality.
Smart people know and understand this without effort...
 
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sear said:
Correct.
And therefore god is not omniscient.
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As explained not even God can see into something that IS NOT THERE. He plans and then executes that plan via His omniscience. (Isaiah 46:9-11) Who's going to stop Him? You? As God says, "....time and chance happen to all men..." -- Eccl. 9:11

All men are made in the image of God (Genesis 1:26-27), God is a spirit (John 4:24), therefore man is made in the Spiritual image of God...meaning what? That men have the gift of free will to know good and evil through the decisions they make. (Genesis 3:22) Only mankind has the ability to reason his own mortality...and plan for the future, as God does. What man does not have due to the limitations of the laws of physics is omniscience, thus man can and does make evil choices even when the intention is the opposite.

Time itself is nothing but a mathematical equation that measures distance traversed....to argue that time exists on some magical concurrent plane where the past the present and the future exist in a parallel dimension is SCIENCE FICTION...and when that is argued as a reality circularity ensues.

The only reality where work can be accomplished is "NOW". You can look upon past works...but you can't change them. You can plan for future work....but you can't actually do the work until the allotted time that has been measured becomes the "present". Time is a gift from God...that's why its called the "PRESENT". God created time and God can end time....whether you admit to the reality YOU as well as every living creature are living due to the grace of God and His allotted time granted to you. You have no control...control is an illusion, you only have NOW. What good are all your plans if the Sun should go supernova in the next instant of time? You are alive right now because God allows you to be alive.
 
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That's fine. Then omniscience is impossible, and not even god can do it.
But then why do so many religionists teach that god is omniscient, if it's impossible? You've caught them in a lie?
"As explained not even God can see into something that IS NOT THERE."
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I can, and have.
Steer the car toward the tree at speed, and it's going to crash EVEN THOUGH IT HASN'T HAPPENED YET!!

That's a simple example.
But in these fora it's been suggested that human powers of perception and cognition are inadequate to fathom divine genius.

Excellent!
So I'm smart enough to know: swing a hammer at my thumb, and it's gunna hurt. Marvelous!
Well?! god allegedly created us as flawed creatures. He didn't know that?
"Who's going to stop Him? You?"
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?!
Have you conflated a deity with Trump?

Who said anything about stopping god? This topic is about analyzing the intrinsic self-contradictions of principles common to many if not most religions. It was never about stopping god.
 
sear said:
I can, and have.
Steer the car toward the tree at speed, and it's going to crash EVEN THOUGH IT HASN'T HAPPENED YET!!
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how did you steer toward the tree if it wasn't there yet?...

Then omniscience is impossible
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you are going to continue making ridiculous claims and pretending they are obvious conclusions......(and it is likely you will not catch what I just did)......
 
sear said:
#46

That's fine. Then omniscience is impossible, and not even god can do it.
But then why do so many religionists teach that god is omniscient, if it's impossible? You've caught them in a lie?

I can, and have.
Steer the car toward the tree at speed, and it's going to crash EVEN THOUGH IT HASN'T HAPPENED YET!!

That's a simple example.
But in these fora it's been suggested that human powers of perception and cognition are inadequate to fathom divine genius.

Excellent!
So I'm smart enough to know: swing a hammer at my thumb, and it's gunna hurt. Marvelous!
Well?! god allegedly created us as flawed creatures. He didn't know that?

?!
Have you conflated a deity with Trump?

Who said anything about stopping god? This topic is about analyzing the intrinsic self-contradictions of principles common to many if not most religions. It was never about stopping god.
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Hardly...God exists as the Creator to the natural...the Cause to the effect known as physical reality. Man might be limited in their wisdom due to the laws of physics, but as demonstrated God is Omniscient and Omnipotent.....God has no limits of wisdom.

And the stupid "hypotheticals" are just that .....STUPID. A car going toward a tree must hit the tree right? Unless....an act of nature like a falling rock crushes the car. See...I can hypothetically argue away your hypothetical

As of yet...the only contradictions have come at your expense. That's what happens when you attempt to argue with the omniscient wisdom of God. Clearly you do not comprehend the reality of circularity and the endless stupid argument. If you continue to talk ad nauseam...that makes you smart right...while the circle grows with each stupid argument.

My conclusion: You are nothing but a 2 dimensional snowflake. Because you want to place limits on God...does not make it so. And to parrot from an internet shopping list made for snowflakes is priceless. FYI: the omniscience of God is not limited because the future can't possibly exist in this plane of reality until it becomes THE PRESENT....where wisdom/work can be applied. You know...like APPLIED SCIENCE? Nothing exists until its "potential" can be quantified.
 
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sear said:
Not in the least clear to me why this is being harped on here.

But since it is, Art Schopenhauer addressed it quite handily.

In any case, believers have an answer for this:
religion guides the way, but it's still individual human choice if choose good or evil.

But why are you all tip-toeing around the topic?

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If god is omnipotent and omniscient and omnipresent, then why does evil exist? If god can defeat the devil, why has he not?
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These little exercises sound convincing until you follow through with them.

Let's assume God rids the world of evil. It would follow that humans are incapable of evil. How would that work? If you can't rob from you neighbor that can only mean you would never have the desire; or that God prevents you from it even when you want to.

And if it's the latter, you aren't really free, are you.

The real question is why didn't God create humans perfect. It actually has nothing to do with His fundamental nature or limitations.
 
Darth Hussein Omar said:
These little exercises sound convincing until you follow through with them.

Let's assume God rids the world of evil. It would follow that humans are incapable of evil. How would that work? If you can't rob from you neighbor that can only mean you would never have the desire; or that God prevents you from it even when you want to.

And if it's the latter, you aren't really free, are you.

The real question is why didn't God create humans perfect. It actually has nothing to do with His fundamental nature or limitations.
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He did.
 
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