Charges against Baldwin dropped due to a complete lack of evidence

Nordberg said:
Baldwin was not a gun expert and he hired people who were to take care of the guns. It was someone else who did not do their job and a person told him the weapon was cold. He trusted the experts. The state justice dept took a long time to arrive at the truth. But they got there. What I don't get is why movies use real guns and bullets.
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Halyna is dead and you're fine with letting her killer get off by writing a few checks. Fine, but I think he should at least have a conviction, even if he never spends a day in prison.
 
Walt said:
It was supposed to look loaded with prop bullets, and there was no safety. The gun wranglers hate when actors start messing with the props. It throws off their safety.

During a period of time that there has been one gun death on a set of a movie, there have been well over a million gun deaths in America in general. No one is quite sure the last time there was a gun death in the Hollywood area, it may have been close to a hundred years ago. The gun deaths on sets are extremely rare, and almost always in places far from the well trained gun experts in Hollywood.
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Then the rules need to change. You pick up a dangerous weapon, YOU are responsible for its condition and safety. Not the armorer, not the producer, not some smuck on the set, YOU.
 
Walt said:
"Far fewer?" There has been one death in 30+ years. You cannot actually go to negative deaths. We would all prefer there was zero deaths, but zero is just a little bit less than one.

How many deaths have there been from NRA gun owners in the last 30+ years. Not zero, or one. Maybe you should start teaching safety to NRA gun owners?
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That sounds like the whining that happened in Tombstone after a similar incident. They changed their procedures. Now, it's personal responsibility. YOU check YOUR firearm every time, no exceptions. This is a situation where zero tolerance actually makes sense.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Then the rules need to change. You pick up a dangerous weapon, YOU are responsible for its condition and safety. Not the armorer, not the producer, not some smuck on the set, YOU.
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Agreed on that point. Another factor was that Baldwin was the producer and set the standard for hiring qualified people along with the safety on the set. There were multiple safety complaints prior to Baldwin killing Halyna.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/04/20/entertainment/rust-shooting-osha-report/index.html
‘Rust’ movie shooting report finds ‘willful violations’ on set
The crew on the set of the movie “Rust” “willfully violated” safety rules and “demonstrated plain indifference to employee safety” which led to the shooting death of cinematographer Halyna Hutchins, according to a report released Wednesday by New Mexico Environment Department’s Occupational Health & Safety Bureau.

Gun safety procedures were not being followed on set, the film’s management team knew it and failed to correct it, the report states.

Rust Movie Productions, LLC was fined nearly $137,000 – the maximum allowed by New Mexico law – and issued the highest-level citation for their actions.

“Our investigation found that this tragic incident never would have happened if Rust Movie Productions, LLC had followed national film industry standards for firearm safety,” said Environment Cabinet Secretary James Kenney. “This is a complete failure of the employer to follow recognized national protocols that keep employees safe.”

The list of violations unearthed “goes on and on and on,” Kenney said in a subsequent interview with CNN.

The agency head sharply criticized Rust production management for reportedly failing to adhere to safety regulations they claimed were in place.
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T. A. Gardner said:
Then the rules need to change.
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The safest handlers of guns need to change their rules to be more like the least safe handlers of guns? Really?

T. A. Gardner said:
You pick up a dangerous weapon, YOU are responsible for its condition and safety. Not the armorer, not the producer, not some smuck on the set, YOU.
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It was not supposed to be a dangerous weapon.

Beyond that, let's say you have a scene with a child and a gun. You want to make the child responsible for the gun safety, not a professional gun safety person. Even if it were an adult, I would trust the professional above some actor.

What next, are you going to make actors responsible for pyrotechnics, or medical exams?
 
T. A. Gardner said:
I know of two others here in Arizona with "Cowboy reenactors," one at Pioneer Village and another at Tombstone. In both cases, the person that fired failed to personally check the firearm. I'm not saying that these incidents aren't rare, but they could be even more rare if the person using the weapon checked it personally, and knew what they were doing with it. Baldwin, by his own admission, said he really didn't. That's a problem. You hand a dangerous weapon to an idiot and bad things are bound to happen sooner or later...
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Should the passengers perform the pre-flight checks before takeoff?
 
Doc Dutch said:
I'm positive he bought his way out of this.
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My bet is a combination of bought and "OJ Simpson'd" it. That is, he sent in a pack of incredibly expensive liars... err, lawyers... that completely intimidated the local prosecutors into dropping the case.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
My bet is a combination of bought and "OJ Simpson'd" it. That is, he sent in a pack of incredibly expensive liars... err, lawyers... that completely intimidated the local prosecutors into dropping the case.
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The civil wrongful death suit still stands. Possible a settlement is coming.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
My bet is a combination of bought and "OJ Simpson'd" it. That is, he sent in a pack of incredibly expensive liars... err, lawyers... that completely intimidated the local prosecutors into dropping the case.
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My bet is that as much as the WOKE are not too thrilled with his recent behavior Baldwin is a long time member of the Hollywood elite, and he gets credit for doing Trump good....he gets a pass.....which was explained to the locals in a language they can understand.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
My bet is that as much as the WOKE are not too thrilled with his recent behavior Baldwin is a long time member of the Hollywood elite, and he gets credit for doing Trump good....he gets a pass.....which was explained to the locals in a language they can understand.
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So long as Baldwin's politics align with the Left in Hollywood they'll see this incident as if it never even happened.
 
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