Charges against Baldwin dropped due to a complete lack of evidence

[Dutch Uncle]

Whatever.

Alec Baldwin shot and killed a woman then bought himself out of trouble.

If he was just an actor, I'd be more willing to understand, but since Baldwin was the top producer on the movie and directly responsible for both the safety on the set and the hiring of staff, I think he should be held criminally accountable for his actions.

Remember the crash on the "The Twilight Zone" set that cut in half actor Vic Morrow and two kids? Director John Landis was charged and acquitted. Criminal courts favor the defendent but Landis has three dead people on his resume.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twilight_Zone_accident#Aftermath

Filmmaker John Landis, who directed this first segment, violated California's child labor laws by hiring seven-year-old Myca Dinh Le and six-year-old Renee Shin-Yi Chen (Chinese: 陳欣怡; pinyin: Chén Xīnyí)[4] without the required permits.[3] Landis and several other staff members were also responsible for a number of labor violations connected with other people involved in the accident, which came to light afterwards..

...Filmmaker Steven Spielberg co-produced Twilight Zone: The Movie with Landis, but he broke off their friendship following the accident. Spielberg said that the crash "made me grow a little" and left everyone who worked on the movie "sick to the center of our souls". He added: "No movie is worth dying for. I think people are standing up much more now than ever before to producers and directors who ask too much. If something isn't safe, it's the right and responsibility of every actor or crew member to yell 'Cut!'"[

The problem with the "Rust" set was that no one wanted to upset the ego-maniac boss.

FWIW, like the changes made to movie safety after the Twilight Zone deaths, I think changes will be made after Baldwin's shooting of Halyna.....if for no other reason than the insurance companies will insist upon it. You and I both know those fuckers hate having to pay out. LOL

 

[ThatOwlWoman]

Alec Baldwin shot and killed a woman then bought himself out of trouble.

If he was just an actor, I'd be more willing to understand, but since Baldwin was the top producer on the movie and directly responsible for both the safety on the set and the hiring of staff, I think he should be held criminally accountable for his actions.

Remember the crash on the "The Twilight Zone" set that cut in half actor Vic Morrow and two kids? Director John Landis was charged and acquitted. Criminal courts favor the defendent but Landis has three dead people on his resume.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twilight_Zone_accident#Aftermath
The problem with the "Rust" set was that no one wanted to upset the ego-maniac boss.

I wasn't aware that we locked up ppl for being assholes, although sometimes it does sound like a good idea.

None of us had anything to do with the prosecutors' decisions, so claiming that he bought his way out of trouble because you don't like him is unprovable and most likely false.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

I wasn't aware that we locked up ppl for being assholes, although sometimes it does sound like a good idea.

None of us had anything to do with the prosecutors' decisions, so claiming that he bought his way out of trouble because you don't like him is unprovable and most likely false.

We don't. We should, however, hold people accountable for their actions which result in the deaths or injury of others regardless if they are politicians, CEOs or Hollywood celebrities.

Agreed, I can't prove why Baldwin was let go. Like Comey said about Hillary, I suspect there was insufficient evidence for a conviction. The whole "reasonable doubt" thing. Don't be surprised when Pedo Don gets off for the same reason. LOL

 

[Yakuda]

I wasn't aware that we locked up ppl for being assholes, although sometimes it does sound like a good idea.

None of us had anything to do with the prosecutors' decisions, so claiming that he bought his way out of trouble because you don't like him is unprovable and most likely false.

You'd be serving a life sentence

 

[Walt]

"Roseanne" was canceled because of a silly joke. But ...

Sort of. It was mostly retooled to be The Conners.

"Alec Baldwin's 'Rust' to Resume Production[/B] Following Fatal ...

Rust is a single movie production company. If they do not produce something, a lot of people do not get paid. That includes the family of the dead and injured. The insurance company has refused to pay, because they could continue production, so they have to continue production.

 

[Bigdog]

Sort of. It was mostly retooled to be The Conners.



Rust is a single movie production company. If they do not produce something, a lot of people do not get paid. That includes the family of the dead and injured. The insurance company has refused to pay, because they could continue production, so they have to continue production.

That's really lame, Walt. It's one movie. Baldwin was in charge, he has deep pockets, he should pay.

When the Roseanne series was "canceled", a lot of people lost their jobs. And Democrats cheered.

 

[Nordberg]

That's really lame, Walt. It's one movie. Baldwin was in charge, he has deep pockets, he should pay.

When the Roseanne series was "canceled", a lot of people lost their jobs. And Democrats cheered.

That is a different subject. They had insurance and they were paid. I read that the families of those shot will get a cut of the movie.
Why would I cheer if Rozanne got canceled? I really do not care. You are attacking Baldwin for political reasons and assume we are doing it too

 

[ThatOwlWoman]

We don't. We should, however, hold people accountable for their actions which result in the deaths or injury of others regardless if they are politicians, CEOs or Hollywood celebrities.

Agreed, I can't prove why Baldwin was let go. Like Comey said about Hillary, I suspect there was insufficient evidence for a conviction. The whole "reasonable doubt" thing. Don't be surprised when Pedo Don gets off for the same reason. LOL

Assuming he's ever charged with anything. Garland is taking his sweet time, and so is Georgia.

 

[Geeko Sportivo]

"No evidence"? His prints on the gun, multiple witnesses who saw him shoot them both.

They may have dropped charges, but the rest sounds l;ike some more of your madeup bullshit.


Link to the prosecutor saying there is a "complete lack of evidence", as opposed to "Baldwin pays well"...




" The gun used in the fatal shooting on the "Rust" movie set could not have been fired without pulling the trigger, according to an FBI forensic report obtained Friday by ABC News.

Actor Alec Baldwin shot cinematographer Halyna Hutchins on the set of the Western, which he was producing and starring in, last year. The actor believed he was handling a "cold gun" -- one without live ammunition -- when it went off and a live bullet struck Hutchins, killing her. The film's director, Joel Souza, was also wounded in the"




Now they are saying the opposite, that the gun was "modified" so it could accidentally fire; the EXACT OPPOSITE OF THE FBIs FINDINGS.

This is nothing more than the democrats of new mexico circling the wagons for one of their own.

Still Butt-Hurt over SNL huh?

Did they hit a little all too close to home for you to handle?

Sir, you aren't in the 3rd grade anymore- perhaps it's time for you to grow up and smell the coffee!

You may even learn to enjoy POP CULTURE and the ARTS of ENTERTAINMENT- if you don't try to politicize them- like everything else in your life!

Try to cope with life SIR- and stop whining and crying- all you are doing is alienating everyone to yourself and your self-serving hateful politics!

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Assuming he's ever charged with anything. Garland is taking his sweet time, and so is Georgia.

Insufficient evidence will be the phrase most commonly used. Sad, isn't it?

 

[Dutch Uncle]

That's really lame, Walt. It's one movie. Baldwin was in charge, he has deep pockets, he should pay.

When the Roseanne series was "canceled", a lot of people lost their jobs. And Democrats cheered.

Agreed Baldwin was in charge and I do believe he is, indeed, paying. How much remains to be seen but I think he needs this movie to be a hit to recoup his fortune.

 

[Bigdog]

That is a different subject. They had insurance and they were paid. I read that the families of those shot will get a cut of the movie.
Why would I cheer if Rozanne got canceled? I really do not care. You are attacking Baldwin for political reasons and assume we are doing it too

Did Baldwin pull the trigger?

 

[Bigdog]

Agreed Baldwin was in charge and I do believe he is, indeed, paying. How much remains to be seen but I think he needs this movie to be a hit to recoup his fortune.

Alec Baldwin Net Worth

Celebrity Net Worth
https://www.celebritynetworth.com › ... › Actors
Alec Baldwin is an American actor and producer who has a net worth of $70 million. Over the years, Alec Baldwin has amassed a stunning array of credits from ...
Net Worth: $70 Million

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Alec Baldwin Net Worth

Celebrity Net Worth
https://www.celebritynetworth.com › ... › Actors
Alec Baldwin is an American actor and producer who has a net worth of $70 million. Over the years, Alec Baldwin has amassed a stunning array of credits from ...
Net Worth: $70 Million

I'm thinking Baldwin paid out in double-digit millions to the families of those he shot along with the costs of the lawyers to get him off the hook.

 

[Walt]

Baldwin, as the producer, hired the armorer based on wokeness and cronyism. The result of his actions was an unintentional murder.

Baldwin was on paper the producer, but no one in their right mind thinks he did all the hiring. The co-producer did the initial hiring, and the initial hires did the rest. Baldwin was basically an executive producer.

Baldwin was not a crony of the armorer, or her father. It was not "wokeness" that got her father hired. They hired her father because he had decades of experience, and then her father convinced them to take his daughter instead of him.

To prove a murder, or even a manslaughter, you need to prove an intentional crime. That is why the prosecutors were trying so hard for the insane charge of brandishing. The problem was Baldwin was not threatening anyone with the gun. They just could not bootstrap a case here.

Not for lack of trying.

 

[Walt]

So let me get this straight, he had a gun in his hand, he pulled the trigger of that gun and as a result of that action someone is dead and there is a "complete" lack of evidence? He was charged with involuntary manslaughter which is defined as unlawful killing that was unintentional. So he had no lawful reason to kill the person and Id concede it was unintentional. Things that make you go, "Hmmmmmm..".

They make guns that look like a cigarette lighter. If you tried to light a cigarette with one of those fake lighters, and shot someone, you would have pulled the trigger. But, that would not even be manslaughter. You have to have intent to use a gun in some way... It does not even have to be for shooting. If they could have proven brandishing, it would have been a slam dunk case.

Instead they had Baldwin being told this is not a gun that can be fired. There is absolutely no danger in this prop that looks like a gun, but is not.

One more time, to get unintentional manslaughter, you need him committing a crime, with knowledge that a death could result. Baldwin neither committed a crime, nor had knowledge a death could result. It does not even look like it was his accident.

 

[Yakuda]

They make guns that look like a cigarette lighter. If you tried to light a cigarette with one of those fake lighters, and shot someone, you would have pulled the trigger. But, that would not even be manslaughter. You have to have intent to use a gun in some way... It does not even have to be for shooting. If they could have proven brandishing, it would have been a slam dunk case.

Instead they had Baldwin being told this is not a gun that can be fired. There is absolutely no danger in this prop that looks like a gun, but is not.

One more time, to get unintentional manslaughter, you need him committing a crime, with knowledge that a death could result. Baldwin neither committed a crime, nor had knowledge a death could result. It does not even look like it was his accident.

So you think lighters that look like guns shoot bullets? You're a fool

 

[Bigdog]

Baldwin was on paper the producer, but no one in their right mind thinks he did all the hiring. The co-producer did the initial hiring, and the initial hires did the rest. Baldwin was basically an executive producer.

Baldwin was not a crony of the armorer, or her father. It was not "wokeness" that got her father hired. They hired her father because he had decades of experience, and then her father convinced them to take his daughter instead of him.

To prove a murder, or even a manslaughter, you need to prove an intentional crime. That is why the prosecutors were trying so hard for the insane charge of brandishing. The problem was Baldwin was not threatening anyone with the gun. They just could not bootstrap a case here.

Not for lack of trying.

Lots of excuses, Walt. They had the opportunity to hire experienced armorer, Scott Rasmussen. Instead Baldwin went with the 24 year old daughter.

So who is to blame for the unintentional murder?

 

[Walt]

Baldwin was in charge, he has deep pockets, he should pay.

That is not how limited liability companies work. Even if the families could pierce the corporate veil, the vendors never would.

Baldwin was not in charge the way trump was, and still trump has not had to pay out his bankruptcies.

When the Roseanne series was "canceled", a lot of people lost their jobs..

There was some retooling when it became The Conners, but almost everyone kept their job, with the obvious exception of Roseanne Barr. In fact, the cast expanded. Roseanne Barr is famous for screwing everyone else, and making the most money for herself. Without her, they could hire more people.

 

[Walt]

So you think lighters that look like guns shoot bullets? You're a fool

No, but a gun that looks like a lighter does shoot bullets. They also have a gun that looks like a cell phone. You try to call someone with that cell phone, and you can kill someone by mistake.

You bring up an interesting example of what I was saying. We can call that the Pink Panther example, because it was in the original Pink Panther movie. A person has a lighter that looks exactly like a gun. Someone exchanges the lighter for a real gun. The person tries to light a cigar, and instead kills someone. There is no intent, nor crime, nor knowledge death was a reasonably probable outcome.

Oddly enough, if someone intentionally exchanged the gun for the lighter, the exchanger would probably be guilty of murder. Not the person who pulled the trigger.