Can you tell us why you support Trump over democrats?

I know I'm going to regret this, but show us the evidence "it was expanded under Obama". Like everything else you post, I think that's horseshit.

Yeah, but you're not the sharpest marble in the bag. :rolleyes:

https://abcnews.go.com/ABC_Univisio...ne-spying-distasteful-legal/story?id=19338669

"Circa has reported that there was a three-fold increase in NSA data searches about Americans and a rise in the unmasking of U.S. person’s identities in intelligence reports after Obama loosened the privacy rules in 2011.
Officials like former National Security Adviser Susan Rice have argued their activities were legal under the so-called minimization rule changes Obama made, and that the intelligence agencies were strictly monitored to avoid abuses."

https://archive.ph/DMVyL
 
Not quite, but close. Reversal fallacy. A monarchy doesn't necessarily mean communism or fascism. Neither communism nor fascism are a form of government (they do involve government messing with markets). Communism or fascism, however, must be implemented by oligarchy or dictatorship, since socialism is theft of wealth.

This is an easy fallacy to commit. It occurs when you reverse cause and effect, for example. In this case, the relationship between socialism and government is very close. However, socialism is not a form of government.

I understand the economic distinction you are making. However, Communism really means No government or dissolution of government.

Unfortunately, we sometimes have to accept the leftwing's reverse Orwellian definitions to communicate with them.

As you know, the father of fascism was Mussolini and the German people distinguished themselves from the Italians, ... as National Socialists.

Would you elaborate on fascism not being a form of gov't?
 
This is funny, here are the definition of the two you decide. MONARCHY "monarchy, political system based upon the undivided sovereignty or rule of a single person. The term applies to states in which supreme authority is vested in the monarch, an individual ruler who functions as the head of state and who achieves his or her position through heredity. Most monarchies allow only male succession, usually from father to son."
SOCIALISM "
Public or collective ownership of the means of production
Central planning of the economy
Emphasis on equality and economic security
Goal of reducing class distinctions
NOW TELL ME HOW these diverse concepts cross . They don't do, they.
They do. Also, that is not the definition of socialism. That is more the definition of communism...just one form of socialism.
This clowns only claim that makes his statement that Socialism is just a a new Monarchy, is that a monarchy owns all the means of production, just like socialism. , well ace there are still about 2 dozen monarchies in the world , show us how they all own the means of production in their country,
Canada: owns the medical industry and the currency is fiat (communism), manipulates the transportation, energy, and automotive markets (fascism).
The UK (an oligarchy, not a dictatorship): owns the medical industry and the currency is fiat (communism), manipulates the transportation, energy, agricultural, and automotive markets (fascism).
Argentina: owns the energy, medical markets and the currency is fiat (communism), manipulates the agricultural and international trade markets (fascism).
Cuba: owns the construction, energy, medical markets and the currency is fiat (communism), manipulates the agricultural and international trade markets (fascism).
The SDTC: owns the energy market and some agricultural markets (communism), manipulates most other markets (fascism).
China (an oligarchy, not a dictatorship): owns the construction industry and the currency is fiat (communism), manipulates most other markets (fascism). Practices genocide.
The EU (an oligarchy, not a dictatorship): owns the international trade market, some transportation markets, the jet aircraft market (Airbus), and some agricultural markets and the currency is fiat (communism), manipulates energy, automotive, agricultural, and many other markets.

I could go on, but that should be sufficient to make my point.
These made up definitions are a hoot.
It is YOU making up definitions.
The right does this all the time,
You are describing Democrats and yourself. Inversion fallacy.
The truth never supports them,
Inversion fallacy.
so they make up the definition of anything they think they can use to make their point.
You are describing yourself and other Democrats. Inversion fallacy.
Total lie is OK with them.
You are describing yourself and other Democrats. Inversion fallacy.
As the above shows. These clowns are frauds. Total complete frauds.
Attempted proof by inversion.
LIKE I SAID, YOU DECIDE>
I already have.
 
These idiots get old they literally do nothing but waste bandwidth with their lies , hell when you catch them lying they try to respond with another lie to prove their point. AS above shows, That's when it really gets funny.

Inversion fallacy. You are describing yourself.
 
In order to deceive, you conflate Constitutional Monarchy (limited) and True Monarchy (Absolute).

Socialist North Korea is on its 3rd King of the Kim dynasty.

Socialist Cuba is on its 2nd King of the Castro dynasty.

There is no such thing as a constitutional monarchy. Government by law is not a monarchy. It is a republic.
 
Now he is trying to SAY THAT NORTH KOREA AND CUBA ARE MONARCHIES, YOU JUST CAN'T MAKE THAT SHIT UP, SHOULD I ASK HIM TO SHOW ME ANY TOTAL LIST OF WORLD monarchies THAT HAVE North Korea OR Cuba LISTED ON THEM. YUCK, YUCK! i WOULD LOVE TO SEE HIM BULLSHIT HIS WAY THROUGH THAT LIE. NOW WE ARE REALLY HAVING FUN.

Both North Korea and Cuba are monarchies (dictatorships). You are being a moron.
 
Just a side note, Raul Castro retired a few months ago. There is no one named Castro, or related to Castro in a Cuban high office. If it was a dynasty, it is in the past tense. I guess you could say, "Socialist Cuba WAS on its 2nd King of the Castro dynasty", though the fact that he retired and was not replaced by a relative does call into question whether he was a king.

He was. So is Diaz-Canal. Cuba is still largely socialist, and still a dictatorship.
 
You are correct. I believe it was 2018 when Diaz-camel was elected.

Monarchs do get overthrown. And the founder of a monarchy does not inherit his position.

There are no elections in Cuba. It's a dictatorship. Any 'elections' are a sham.
 
In a true monarchy, the gov't owns the means of production, just like Socialism. :dunno:

Will you share your definition of socialism with the board? ... or will it remain a secret.

monarchies invented corporations, so royals could do trade under a different logo.
 
Yeah, but you're not the sharpest marble in the bag. :rolleyes:

https://abcnews.go.com/ABC_Univisio...ne-spying-distasteful-legal/story?id=19338669

"Circa has reported that there was a three-fold increase in NSA data searches about Americans and a rise in the unmasking of U.S. person’s identities in intelligence reports after Obama loosened the privacy rules in 2011.
Officials like former National Security Adviser Susan Rice have argued their activities were legal under the so-called minimization rule changes Obama made, and that the intelligence agencies were strictly monitored to avoid abuses."

https://archive.ph/DMVyL

For the last time, gerbil-stuffer, I already conceded this point. I swear, every time you fart a gerbil skull shoots out of you.
 
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This is funny, here are the definition of the two you decide. MONARCHY "monarchy, political system based upon the undivided sovereignty or rule of a single person. The term applies to states in which supreme authority is vested in the monarch, an individual ruler who functions as the head of state and who achieves his or her position through heredity. Most monarchies allow only male succession, usually from father to son."
SOCIALISM "
Public or collective ownership of the means of production
Central planning of the economy
Emphasis on equality and economic security
Goal of reducing class distinctions
NOW TELL ME HOW these diverse concepts cross . They don't do, they. This clowns only claim that makes his statement that Socialism is just a a new Monarchy, is that a monarchy owns all the means of production, just like socialism. , well ace there are still about 2 dozen monarchies in the world , show us how they all own the means of production in their country , These made up definitions are a hoot. The right does this all the time, The truth never supports them, so they make up the definition of anything they think they can use to make their point. Total lie is OK with them. As the above shows. These clowns are frauds. Total complete frauds. LIKE I SAID, YOU DECIDE>

totalitarians whether hereditary or achieved by other means still have corporations to get things done. shareholder and "private ownership" do not equate to freedom in any way.

the ccp controls all chinese corporations.

our cia and fbi dictate terms and collect data (edward snowden).

only small businesses are not fascist.

you can't get past a certain size if you don't bend over for big daddy.

fascism is the norm on earth.
 
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I understand the economic distinction you are making. However, Communism really means No government or dissolution of government.
No. Communism is government ownership of markets. That cannot happen under anarchy. While anarchy is chaotic, due to rampant crime, capitalism is the predominant economic system. The crime, of course, is not capitalism.
Unfortunately, we sometimes have to accept the leftwing's reverse Orwellian definitions to communicate with them.
No. You never have to accept them. Words mean things. Democrats speak a different language. I call it Liberal. It looks like English, but words have no meaning or shifting meaning. There is no purpose to try to communicate with anyone in Liberal, as opposed to English, since communication is simply not possible. Much of Liberal is used to chant.
As you know, the father of fascism was Mussolini and the German people distinguished themselves from the Italians, ... as National Socialists.
While Mussolini coined the word 'fascism', it was also the practice of both Stalin, Hitler, and FDR at the time. The practice of government manipulating markets is much older than Mussolini. The word 'fascism' itself comes from the Italian word 'fascio', meaning 'group' or 'bundle', referring to the association of government 'bundling' markets (or manipulating them). An earlier form is 'fasces' referring again to a bundle. This term was used in Rome describing Roman manipulation of markets. Rome, of course, also sanctioned slavery and owned some markets (communism). This word is probably a mutated form of phakelos, also meaning 'bundle', but in Greek. This is also the origin of the term 'faggot', also meaning 'bundle', although 'faggot' was never really used to describe an economy.
Would you elaborate on fascism not being a form of gov't?
Certainly.

Governments take many forms: including democracy (or government by popular vote), republic (government by law, or constitution), dictatorship (government by an individual, also called a monarchy or autocracy), oligarchy (dictatorship by committee), or theocracy (government by God, or religion). Plutocracy or technocracy is just an oligarchy.

Economic systems take just a few major forms:
Capitalism, or the voluntary production of products and services for sale to voluntary buyers (the only economic system that creates wealth),
Fascism (a form of socialism where government theft of wealth occurs through manipulation of markets),
Communism (a form of socialism where government theft of wealth occurs directly, by taking ownership of markets, including property),
Slavery (a form of socialism where government sanctions theft of wealth by theft of labor, or ownership of people).

Because socialism is theft of wealth, it must be implemented by force. That means an oligarchy or dictatorship.

Capitalism, fascism, and communism exist in most every nation today. Capitalism is the free market. It's immortal. It can't be killed, even if you drive it into a black market. See your local drug dealer for details.
Fascism and communism require elements in government that act like oligarchy or dictatorship. Examples in the States is the EPA (fascism), the Federal Reserve (communism), the Agricultural dept (fascism), etc. These government agencies specialize and act as an oligarchy over a particular market or markets. NONE of them are constitutional. NOTHING in the Constitution ever gave Congress or the President the authority to create these agencies.

Capitalism exists in every nation as well...even inside North Korea and Cuba. There is no stopping it, no matter how oppressive a government gets.

All forms of socialism and capitalism are economic systems, not forms of government. It is quite possible, for example, to have a dictatorship and still have capitalism. Black markets exist in every dictatorship.
 
monarchies invented corporations, so royals could do trade under a different logo.

Fiction.

The word 'corporation' stems from the word 'corporacium' (first appearing during the 15th century, meaning 'united in body' or 'guild'. Guilds have been around for some time. The first corporation created as a group united legally as a single body was created by an act of Parliament in Britain in 1600 converting a trading guild into the East India Company. The Dutch had their international trading before London created the East India Company, thanks to a new ship design of theirs designed to carry lots of cargo and run with minimal crew through automation (the Fluyt). Everywhere the English went, the Dutch were there first! The Dutch traders operated as a guild.

There was nothing royal about either the East India Company or the Dutch traders. They became quite rich, of course, but were not royal.
 
Fiction.

The word 'corporation' stems from the word 'corporacium' (first appearing during the 15th century, meaning 'united in body' or 'guild'. Guilds have been around for some time. The first corporation created as a group united legally as a single body was created by an act of Parliament in Britain in 1600 converting a trading guild into the East India Company. The Dutch had their international trading before London created the East India Company, thanks to a new ship design of theirs designed to carry lots of cargo and run with minimal crew through automation (the Fluyt). Everywhere the English went, the Dutch were there first! The Dutch traders operated as a guild.

There was nothing royal about either the East India Company or the Dutch traders. They became quite rich, of course, but were not royal.

no it isn't, fascistocrat.

were royals involved in the dutch east india company?
 
totalitarians whether hereditary or achieved by other means still have corporations to get things done. shareholder and "private ownership" do not equate to freedom in any way.

the ccp controls all chinese corporations.

our cia and fbi dictate terms and collect data (edward snowden).

only small businesses are not fascist.

you can't get past a certain size if you don't bend over for big daddy.

fascism is the norm on earth.

Redefinition fallacies (large<->evil, large business<->fascism, fascism<->normalcy).
 
He was. So is Diaz-Canal. Cuba is still largely socialist, and still a dictatorship.

North Korea is seeming like a monarchy. Cuba is definitely not a monarchy. I would argue it is more an oligarchy than a dictatorship.

Then there are a light socialist countries of Western Europe who are republics.
 
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