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[Damocles]

Lies exist. A lie can travel half way around the while truth is pulling its boots on.

This is a stupid statement.

Homosexuality is simply a noun, like a rock or a horse, or you. None of those are lies, they simply are.

Homosexuality exists, when you say it is a lie it seems you are trying to deny its existence. Like a kid telling another kid about Santa.

 

[WinterBorn]

Millions and millions.

Nice nonanswer.


How is homosexuality a lie?

 

[Alias]

This is a stupid statement.

Homosexuality is simply a noun, like a rock or a horse, or you. None of those are lies, they simply are.

Homosexuality exists, when you say it is a lie it seems you are trying to deny its existence. Like a kid telling another kid about Santa.

Do good and evil exist?

 

[Alias]

Nice nonanswer.


How is homosexuality a lie?

It's against nature and nature's God.

 

[Damocles]

Do good and evil exist?

As much as homosexuality does, yes. Those are also nouns (ideas). They cannot of themselves be a "lie".

 

[Alias]

As much as homosexuality does, yes. Those are also nouns (ideas). They cannot of themselves be a "lie".

So a lie can't be an "idea"?

 

[WinterBorn]

It's against nature and nature's God.

Against nature? First of all, it is not against nature. It occurs in nature in numerous species. So in that respect it is natural.

Second of all, "against nature" does not equal that it is a lie. If it were "against nature" (whatever the hell that means) it would still have no bearing on this topic. Birth control is against nature. Shaving is against nature. Hair dye, makeup, and false eyelashes are against nature. And there is even some truth that hair dye, makeup, and false eyelashes are a lie.

But homosexuality is neither against nature nor a lie.



That homosexuality is against God's law is somewhat debateable, but not really relevant either. Since you cannot, according to the US Constitution, create laws based solely on religious beliefs, that particular argument has no bearing.

 

[christiefan915]

Marriage is what is sacred, the institution. We don't want the queers perverting our sacred institutions with their filthy disgusting ways.

Check out these stats and then explain why the US has the highest divorce rate. Talk about perverting the institution.

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/peo_div_rat-people-divorce-rate

 

[WinterBorn]

So a lie can't be an "idea"?

You keep calling it a lie. How is it untrue? Homosexuality exists, so that is not a lie. People are gay and most claim they were born that way and have never been any different. You may not believe them, but that does not make their statement a lie. Since you have no way of knowing what they felt for their entire life, to insist it is a lie is just your own lie.

 

[Alias]

Against nature? First of all, it is not against nature. It occurs in nature in numerous species. So in that respect it is natural.

Second of all, "against nature" does not equal that it is a lie. If it were "against nature" (whatever the hell that means) it would still have no bearing on this topic. Birth control is against nature. Shaving is against nature. Hair dye, makeup, and false eyelashes are against nature. And there is even some truth that hair dye, makeup, and false eyelashes are a lie.

But homosexuality is neither against nature nor a lie.



That homosexuality is against God's law is somewhat debateable, but not really relevant either. Since you cannot, according to the US Constitution, create laws based solely on religious beliefs, that particular argument has no bearing.

The Declaration of Independence states we get our rights from God.

 

[Alias]

You keep calling it a lie. How is it untrue? Homosexuality exists, so that is not a lie. People are gay and most claim they were born that way and have never been any different. You may not believe them, but that does not make their statement a lie. Since you have no way of knowing what they felt for their entire life, to insist it is a lie is just your own lie.

Evil exists. Communism exists. Slavery exists. Murder exists. Perversion exists. Natural (nature) sex is between a female and a male. You're either a male or a female.

 

[Damocles]

So a lie can't be an "idea"?

Not by itself.

Let's use the idea "Santa Claus"...

Just saying "Santa Claus" is not a lie.

Saying "I met Santa Claus the other day, and he's working hard with his elves to make you a turd sculpture for Christmas." is both a lie and funny.

Saying, "Santa Claus isn't a person, so to speak, but embodies the charity and giving that Western Society has come to associate with the Christmas holiday." Is an idea that is neither lie nor truth, that is an opinion.

Saying, "There is no evidence that some Saint comes down your chimney every Christmas to give you stuff for being good." is not a lie.

All three use the "idea" of Santa Claus, the idea itself is not a "lie".

 

[WinterBorn]

The Declaration of Independence states we get our rights from God.

And that is a great sentiment, but has no bearing on the issue either.

And you want it to be the Christian God, but there is nothing in the Declaration of Independence that says that. It could be any God, including those of religions that accept homosexuality.

The US Constitution states the US Gov't cannot select a religion.

 

[WinterBorn]

Natural (nature) sex is between a female and a male. You're either a male or a female.

Really? I guess that will be your little secret, because National Geographic has published information about numerous species having same gender sexual contact, same gender breeding rituals, and same gender pairings.

 

[Alias]

You keep calling it a lie. How is it untrue? Homosexuality exists, so that is not a lie. People are gay and most claim they were born that way and have never been any different. You may not believe them, but that does not make their statement a lie. Since you have no way of knowing what they felt for their entire life, to insist it is a lie is just your own lie.

They believe they were born that way because that is the lie. Lies are spread by people who keep repeating them. There is no evidence queers are born that way. People are born male and female. That is truth.

 

[WinterBorn]

They believe they were born that way because that is the lie. Lies are spread by people who keep repeating them. There is no evidence queers are born that way. People are born male and female. That is truth.

You say "People are born male and female" like that means anything to this topic. And the fact that you keep calling it a lie, when those who have grown up knowing they are gay say they have always been that way, is simply ignorant on your part. The testimony and statements of tens of thousands of homosexuals cannot be dismissed simply because you want it to go away.

How can you possibly know for sure how these people felt for their entire lives? You insist that it is a lie, but you have absolutely know way of knowing what they felt.

 

[Alias]

You say "People are born male and female" like that means anything to this topic. And the fact that you keep calling it a lie, when those who have grown up knowing they are gay say they have always been that way, is simply ignorant on your part. The testimony and statements of tens of thousands of homosexuals cannot be dismissed simply because you want it to go away.

How can you possibly know for sure how these people felt for their entire lives? You insist that it is a lie, but you have absolutely know way of knowing what they felt.

What do you say to the tens of thousands who have sought help and left the homosexual lifestyle?

 

[Onceler]

They believe they were born that way because that is the lie. Lies are spread by people who keep repeating them. There is no evidence queers are born that way. People are born male and female. That is truth.

How is it a lie to say they were born that way?

I can't believe you're still going on this thread, btw.

 

[WinterBorn]

What do you say to the tens of thousands who have sought help and left the homosexual lifestyle?

I say that what I have read suggest that they simply deny their real desires in order to fit in. And I would have to see some serious studies that showed tens of thousands got help and were then not gay.

I also notice you said they "left the homosexual lifestyle", not that they actually weren't attracted to the same gender any more.

 

[Alias]

How is it a lie to say they were born that way?

I can't believe you're still going on this thread, btw.

Because there is no scientific evidence they were born that way. Many homosexuals have become straight. Those of you who support the gay agenda can't accept that.