CA Prop. 8 shot down

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Alias said:
Because there is no scientific evidence they were born that way. Many homosexuals have become straight. Those of you who support the gay agenda can't accept that.
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I have read the testimony of numerous gays who went thru the "cure" and later came back to who they claim they always have been.

Its funny, there are numerous studies that show treatments "curing" homosexuals are largely ineffective or bogus. And yet you believe what those people say. Tens of thousands of homosexuals swear they were born that way and you dismiss that without a second thought.

Funny how you believe what fits your ideology and dismiss what doesn't.
 
WinterBorn said:
I have read the testimony of numerous gays who went thru the "cure" and later came back to who they claim they always have been.

Its funny, there are numerous studies that show treatments "curing" homosexuals are largely ineffective or bogus. And yet you believe what those people say. Tens of thousands of homosexuals swear they were born that way and you dismiss that without a second thought.

Funny how you believe what fits your ideology and dismiss what doesn't.
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You haven't read of any homosexuals who have successfully left the lifestyle and are living normal healthy lives with families? You're sounding biased now. These are your words: "Funny how you believe what fits your ideology and dismiss what doesn't."
 
Alias said:
You haven't read of any homosexuals who have successfully left the lifestyle and are living normal healthy lives with families? You're sounding biased now.
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Did I say that? No.

I've also read of people who knew they were gay all their lives tried to live straight lives. They married, had kids and all that. But they knew all along that they wanted to be with someone of the same gender.
 
WinterBorn said:
Did I say that? No.

I've also read of people who knew they were gay all their lives tried to live straight lives. They married, had kids and all that. But they knew all along that they wanted to be with someone of the same gender.
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These are your words: "Funny how you believe what fits your ideology and dismiss what doesn't."

Why haven't you read of any homosexuals who have become straight and lead normal healthy lives with their families?
 
Alias said:
Because there is no scientific evidence they were born that way. Many homosexuals have become straight. Those of you who support the gay agenda can't accept that.
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There isn't any scientific evidence the other way. It's not a "lie." I think it's ridiculous that you believe people can choose who they're attracted to.

I support liberty & equal rights. You support oppression & bigotry, and you will cherrypick whatever you need to in order to back up your hate.

I feel pretty bad for you, actually.
 
Alias said:
These are your words: "Funny how you believe what fits your ideology and dismiss what doesn't."

Why haven't you read of any homosexuals who have become straight and lead normal healthy lives with their families?
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I have read such stories. I have not said that people who get "cured" are lying. Unlike you I do not insist that I know what other people think and feel.
 
Onceler said:
There isn't any scientific evidence the other way. It's not a "lie." I think it's ridiculous that you believe people can choose who they're attracted to.

I support liberty & equal rights. You support oppression & bigotry, and you will cherrypick whatever you need to in order to back up your hate.

I feel pretty bad for you, actually.
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If there is no evidence then how can you say people are born that way?
 
WinterBorn said:
I have read such stories. I have not said that people who get "cured" are lying. Unlike you I do not insist that I know what other people think and feel.
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Really? These are your words: "Tens of thousands of homosexuals swear they were born that way and you dismiss that without a second thought."
 
Alias said:
If there is no evidence then how can you say people are born that way?
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In the absence of evidence, all we have is experience & common sense.

I do not remember the moment I "chose" to be attracted to the opposite sex. Neither can you, or anyone.

It's not a choice. Oh - and it exists in nature. You're proclamations that it's "against nature" are just projections of your hate.
 
Alias said:
If there is no evidence then how can you say people are born that way?
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Because those people never felt any attraction to the opposite gender and always saw their own gender as what they wanted to be with. Homosexuality is not just a sex act. It involves who you see as a potential mate or partner.

Even before I knew what sex was I knew I liked girls in a different way than i liked the guys. I never cose to be straight. I was born that way.
 
Onceler said:
In the absence of evidence, all we have is experience & common sense.

I do not remember the moment I "chose" to be attracted to the opposite sex. Neither can you, or anyone.

It's not a choice. Oh - and it exists in nature. You're proclamations that it's "against nature" are just projections of your hate.
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Humping same sex is not sex. It can't be sexual intercourse because the anus is not a sexual organ.
 
WinterBorn said:
Because those people never felt any attraction to the opposite gender and always saw their own gender as what they wanted to be with. Homosexuality is not just a sex act. It involves who you see as a potential mate or partner.

Even before I knew what sex was I knew I liked girls in a different way than i liked the guys. I never cose to be straight. I was born that way.
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Oh, they never "felt" something. So now it all depends on "feelings". I see. You were born male and you developed into a mature human male. Perhaps some people don't mature sexually. That's one possibility. Perhaps some people never mature past playing with themselves and are more comfortable with those of the same sex. Another possibility.
 
Alias said:
Really? These are your words: "Tens of thousands of homosexuals swear they were born that way and you dismiss that without a second thought."
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Yes I did say that. I did not say I knew how they think or feel. The only reason I can my make a statement about you dismissing without a second thought is because of what you have said over and over.
 
Alias said:
Humping same sex is not sex. It can't be sexual intercourse because the anus is not a sexual organ.
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Once again, we'll let that be your little secret. Because the rest of the world knows differently.
 
WinterBorn said:
Yes I did say that. I did not say I knew how they think or feel. The only reason I can my make a statement about you dismissing without a second thought is because of what you have said over and over.
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You said they think they were born that way. So which is it?
 
WinterBorn said:
Once again, we'll let that be your little secret. Because the rest of the world knows differently.
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No, they don't. Sexual intercourse is a vagina and a penis. A penis and an anus is not sexual intercourse. Please tell me you're not that stupid.
 
Alias said:
They believe they were born that way because that is the lie. Lies are spread by people who keep repeating them. There is no evidence queers are born that way. People are born male and female. That is truth.
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Then the inverse must also be true and there's no evidence that straights are born that way either.
 
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