But hey they just want their abominable marriage recognized!

Also, refusing to write something hateful on a cake is not the same as discriminating against gays. It is like requiring patrons to wear shoes and a shirt in your establishment which is totally legal because it isn't a rule which restricts a specific group of people.

It's nothing like shirts n shoes, that's a public health issue.
Just admit it.
 
Does anyone recall the line this couple drew? They have no problem baking cakes for homosexuals. They drew a line at baking "wedding cakes for homosexual marriages". I think there is a difference that is distinctive regarding their religious freedom and conscience.

So, its not the lifestyle they object, but the fact that they are able to now marry in the eyes of the law?
 
It's nothing like shirts n shoes, that's a public health issue.
Just admit it.

No, you aren't restricting a group of people, you are legally able to restrict which services you will deliver to the general public. It is like shoes and shirt.
 
So, its not the lifestyle they object, but the fact that they are able to now marry in the eyes of the law?

No. It's that their homosexual lifestyle is their choice. But their asking them to bake a special cake for what they believe to be sacrosanct to their faith, crossed a line of conscience for them.
 
No. It's that their homosexual lifestyle is their choice. But their asking them to bake a special cake for what they believe to be sacrosanct to their faith, crossed a line of conscience for them.

Yet, they will bake a cake for a person's second or third marriage, please spare me your sacrosanct of marriage.
 
Yet, they will bake a cake for a person's second or third marriage, please spare me your sacrosanct of marriage.

Save your own bs. While divorce is granted under narrow circumstances in scripture, homosexuality never is. in addition, male female relationships in biblical teaching are Gods natural design, not same sex relations.

This is a discussion about a faith based decision of conscience.
 
Save your own bs. While divorce is granted under narrow circumstances in scripture, homosexuality never is. in addition, male female relationships in biblical teaching are Gods natural design, not same sex relations.

This is a discussion about a faith based decision of conscience.

Your Buy-bull condones polygamy and slavery ...you base your faith based decisions of conscience on that too?
 
Save your own bs. While divorce is granted under narrow circumstances in scripture, homosexuality never is. in addition, male female relationships in biblical teaching are Gods natural design, not same sex relations.

This is a discussion about a faith based decision of conscience.

it was never truly sacred, you holy men had multiples wives and concubines, some priests finally allowed divorce because a wealthy Jew wanted to get rid of his wife, as Jesus mentions, the stubbornness of man, so like I said, marriage isn't and hasn't ever really been sacred. You all use that bs to discriminate against others whose lifestyle you don't approve.
 
it was never truly sacred, you holy men had multiples wives and concubines, some priests finally allowed divorce because a wealthy Jew wanted to get rid of his wife, as Jesus mentions, the stubbornness of man, so like I said, marriage isn't and hasn't ever really been sacred. You all use that bs to discriminate against others whose lifestyle you don't approve.

Yes, the institution is and always has been sacred. The fact that sinful men can and have brought it disgrace is not the issue. Indeed mans sinful nature and his need of redemption, is the problem scripture discusses and proscribes the cure for.

You rightly see hypocrisy carried out by sinful men and an imperfect church body politic. But that is mans burden. The fact that this couple may have unwittingly, or even knowingly, sold a wedding cake to a couple that have been married before, is not justification for then forcing them to act against a biblical precept of conscience.
 
Yes, the institution is and always has been sacred. The fact that sinful men can and have brought it disgrace is not the issue. Indeed mans sinful nature and his need of redemption, is the problem scripture discusses and proscribes the cure for.

You rightly see hypocrisy carried out by sinful men and an imperfect church body politic. But that is mans burden. The fact that this couple may have unwittingly, or even knowingly, sold a wedding cake to a couple that have been married before, is not justification for then forcing them to act against a biblical precept of conscience.

just keep making excuses for Christian who cherry pick. The very premise of Creation story meant Eve had to have sex with her sons, so please spare me, again, the idea that Yahweh meant for it to be one man and one woman. Adam and Eve could not have populated the world without incest, so this idea of marriage being sacred from the start is ridiculous.
 
just keep making excuses for Christian who cherry pick. The very premise of Creation story meant Eve had to have sex with her sons, so please spare me, again, the idea that Yahweh meant for it to be one man and one woman. Adam and Eve could not have populated the world without incest, so this idea of marriage being sacred from the start is ridiculous.

No, the silence on procreation after the birth of Seth until that of Noah is open to presumption. It's more likely that sister and brother and then cousins. But the creation story also had man living for millinnia. My guess is that as the race intermarried, the need for laws regulating it became neccesary. Adam and Eve began life perfectly created for procreation. They were then presumably genetically perfect, and after generations humans became genetically inferior.

But it is you who wishes to ignore what it is to be Christian by pointing to the very things that require a need for Christ.
 
No, the silence on procreation after the birth of Seth until that of Noah is open to presumption. It's more likely that sister and brother and then cousins. But the creation story also had man living for millinnia. My guess is that as the race intermarried, the need for laws regulating it became neccesary. Adam and Eve began life perfectly created for procreation. They were then presumably genetically perfect, and after generations humans became genetically inferior.

But it is you who wishes to ignore what it is to be Christian by pointing to the very things that require a need for Christ.

Lol, talk about a lot of presumptions.
 
You have the right to practice your religion, your right ends when it discriminates. That is the law of our country.

No, it's not discriminatory if indeed it's a tenet of ones faith. It's simply their faith. It does not harm anyone. I'd agree that they should be required to post a notice, but the idea that someone should be forced to act against their religious conscience is anathema to their 1st amendment right.
 
No, it's not discriminatory if indeed it's a tenet of ones faith. It's simply their faith. It does not harm anyone. I'd agree that they should be required to post a notice, but the idea that someone should be forced to act against their religious conscience is anathema to their 1st amendment right.
No, it is disctiminatory, and if they don't want to serve the general publi then they should not have s business open to the public, they can run a religious bakery from their home, open to Christians only or those they wish to serve. Then their consciences won't suffer. They can practice their religion and not break the law.
 
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