Brits send gunboat as ' message ' to Russia.

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Gavin Williamson: UK ship in Ukraine 'sends message to Russia'

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A Royal Navy warship which has been sent to Ukraine will send a strong message to Russian President Vladimir Putin, the UK's defence secretary says.

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-46657470
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If the Russians don't surrender the Brits are going to hydrographic survey them to death.
 
m #1

a) Thanks for the topic m #1.

b) For those that think this just a U.K. problem, and not a U.S. problem think again.

At last check, the U.K. is a NATO member nation.
If this sabre-rattling escalates even a little bit, it could draw all of NATO, and thus the U.S. into open War with Russia. And I gather Vlad Putin wants that a lot more than we do.

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sear said:
m #1

a) Thanks for the topic m #1.

b) For those that think this just a U.K. problem, and not a U.S. problem think again.

At last check, the U.K. is a NATO member nation.
If this sabre-rattling escalates even a little bit, it could draw all of NATO, and thus the U.S. into open War with Russia. And I gather Vlad Putin wants that a lot more than we do.
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very very dangerous. bad move to get between Russia and Ukraine navies
 
n #3

Perhaps there's more to the story than disclosed here. For example, it the U.K. vessel has a geo-sync surveillance satellite guarding it 24/7, and can preempt any Russian aggression, that may tilt the balance a little.

In my opinion it was an absolutely gargantuan blunder to even hint at expanding NATO into the former Soviet.

I think President GHWB blundered monumentally further by not with lightning rapidity swooping in after "The Wall" fell, and embracing Russia and her former Soviet satellites.
Because Russia was left to sputter and flounder, Putin now perceives Russia has more to gain with Cold War tactics of contention, rather than as close and productive trading partners, and perhaps future allies.

I'm not pretending to be some sort of foreign policy genius. The Marshall Plan was extremely successful in bringing former bitter enemies into the fold. GHWB should have know that was the optimal path for U.S. then.

And because Bush failed then, we have this thread / topic now.
 
sear said:
n #3

Perhaps there's more to the story than disclosed here. For example, it the U.K. vessel has a geo-sync surveillance satellite guarding it 24/7, and can preempt any Russian aggression, that may tilt the balance a little.

In my opinion it was an absolutely gargantuan blunder to even hint at expanding NATO into the former Soviet.

I think President GHWB blundered monumentally further by not with lightning rapidity swooping in after "The Wall" fell, and embracing Russia and her former Soviet satellites.
Because Russia was left to sputter and flounder, Putin now perceives Russia has more to gain with Cold War tactics of contention, rather than as close and productive trading partners, and perhaps future allies.

I'm not pretending to be some sort of foreign policy genius. The Marshall Plan was extremely successful in bringing former bitter enemies into the fold. GHWB should have know that was the optimal path for U.S. then.

And because Bush failed then, we have this thread / topic now.
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well stated..NATO expansion is the root of all evil between Russia and the west. Sanctions just make it worse
 
If we can endure one additional layman's opinion,
I think the correct instrument for depolarizing Eastern Europe was not NATO, but the E.U.
The higher we'd raise the standard of living there, not over decades or generations but over weeks & months, the less tolerant the former Soviet Peoples would have been to the old ways. But we're dining on a crap-sandwich in Crimea, Ukraine, & Syria because we turned our backs on an opportunity that actually could have expanded our markets! By failing to do good for them, we've failed to do good for ourselves, both economically, and militarily.

Gargantuan blunder !!

Destroy your enemy by making him your friend. - Abraham Lincoln (1809-1865)
 
A conflict with Russia in Russian waters would be just as arrogant - and stupid- as a conflict with China in the China Sea.

However, when the country's foreign policies are driven by arms manufacturers then arrogance and stupidity rule.
 
moon said:
A conflict with Russia in Russian waters would be just as arrogant - and stupid- as a conflict with China in the China Sea.

However, when the country's foreign policies are driven by arms manufacturers then arrogance and stupidity rule.
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Chinese claims of the "9 dash line" are different and a threat to the littoral states
 
noise said:
Chinese claims of the "9 dash line" are different and a threat to the littoral states
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Ah well- give unto China that which is China's.

There are a great many people that don't know that Crimea is Russian.
 
moon said:
Ah well- give unto China that which is China's.

There are a great many people that don't know that Crimea is Russian.
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but don't give to China what is Vietnam's..I know. the level of ignorance about Russia is astounding in the USA
 
moon said:
A conflict with Russia in Russian waters would be just as arrogant - and stupid- as a conflict with China in the China Sea.

However, when the country's foreign policies are driven by arms manufacturers then arrogance and stupidity rule.
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China doesn't own the South China Sea, you fucking moron. You're always banging on about international law, well here's a case of China flouting the adjudication by the International Maritime Organisation about the status of the Spratly and Paracel islands. I guess only Joos have to obey, according to you.
 
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Havana Moon said:
China doesn't own the South China Sea, you fucking moron. You're always banging on about international law, well here's a case of China flouting the adjudication by the International Maritime Organisation about the status of the Spratly and Paracel islands. I
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The Vietnamese give docking facilities to the 7th Fleet because they are so incensed by the arrogance of the Chinese.
 
sear said:
n #3

Perhaps there's more to the story than disclosed here. For example, it the U.K. vessel has a geo-sync surveillance satellite guarding it 24/7, and can preempt any Russian aggression, that may tilt the balance a little.

In my opinion it was an absolutely gargantuan blunder to even hint at expanding NATO into the former Soviet.

I think President GHWB blundered monumentally further by not with lightning rapidity swooping in after "The Wall" fell, and embracing Russia and her former Soviet satellites.
Because Russia was left to sputter and flounder, Putin now perceives Russia has more to gain with Cold War tactics of contention, rather than as close and productive trading partners, and perhaps future allies.

I'm not pretending to be some sort of foreign policy genius. The Marshall Plan was extremely successful in bringing former bitter enemies into the fold. GHWB should have know that was the optimal path for U.S. then.

And because Bush failed then, we have this thread / topic now.
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As part of the breakup of the soviet union deal Russia was promised that NATO would no expand to Russia's borders, so much for that
 
"China doesn't own the South China Sea, you $#@! moron." HM #11
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Nor do they claim to.
All I've ever found China to claim is the same leeway standard of territorial waters as is applied to all the rest of the world.
"You're always banging on about international law, well here's a case of China flouting the adjudication by the International Maritime Organisation about the status of the Spratly and Paracel islands. " HM #11
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I've heard of dual nationality for persons, but rarely if ever for territory. The exception that comes to mind is military occupation, which is often temporary.

Several nations have asserted claim to some shoals in the South China sea.
That's fine. Please explain why any nation's claim other than China's is superior to China's.

Thanks.
 
The problem is, I think, that the brexiteer bullies have pretty well destroyed the tory government, so that individual ministers and even civil servants are likely to do more or less anything that comes into their heads to distract their minds from the coming national suicide and the attendant guilt.
 
sear said:
Nor do they claim to.
All I've ever found China to claim is the same leeway standard of territorial waters as is applied to all the rest of the world.

I've heard of dual nationality for persons, but rarely if ever for territory. The exception that comes to mind is military occupation, which is often temporary.

Several nations have asserted claim to some shoals in the South China sea.
That's fine. Please explain why any nation's claim other than China's is superior to China's.

Thanks.
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Apparently you are unaware that the Hague Tribunal has already decided that the Phillipines has sovereignty over the Spratly Islands. Moontwat's favourite news organ says so, hence must be true.

Hague Tribunal rules in favor of Philippines, China to ignore decision

China has caused irreparable harm to the ecosystem of the Spratly Islands and breached the Philippines' sovereign rights, the Hague Tribunal has ruled. Beijing has ignored the ruling, saying its islands come with exclusive economic zones, where Chinese people have had activities for 2,000 years.

The court said in the 497-page ruling that “There was no legal basis for China to claim historic rights to resources within the sea areas falling within the ‘nine-dash line',” referring to a demarcation line on a map of the sea from 1947.

China has repeatedly warned that it would not recognize any adverse ruling from The Hague’s arbitration court, which was widely expected. Beijing boycotted the hearings at the Permanent Court of Arbitration, saying that it does not have jurisdiction to decide the dispute.

www.rt.com/news/350756-south-china-sea-hague/
 
Havana Moon said:
As I said you only care about international law if Jews are involved.
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No maggot- YOU give international LAW the finger when Izrael's pseudo-Jews are invloved.

International law states clearly that Izrael occupies Palestine, Syria and Lebanon illegally. That's just for starters. You should clock the other reams of resolutions against your fascist fuckers with the covert nuclear arsenal.

AS LONG AS THE WEST ALLOWS IZRAEL TO SCORN INTERNATIONAL LAW THEN IT DOESN'T HAVE A MORAL LEG TO STAND ON WITH REGARD TO ANY OTHER CRIMINALITY ANYWHERE.

That's how neoZionism has fucked the West over.
 
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Havana Moon said:
Apparently you are unaware that the Hague Tribunal has already decided that the Phillipines has sovereignty over the Spratly Islands. Moontwat's favourite news organ says so, hence must be true.

Hague Tribunal rules in favor of Philippines, China to ignore decision

China has caused irreparable harm to the ecosystem of the Spratly Islands and breached the Philippines' sovereign rights, the Hague Tribunal has ruled. Beijing has ignored the ruling, saying its islands come with exclusive economic zones, where Chinese people have had activities for 2,000 years.

The court said in the 497-page ruling that “There was no legal basis for China to claim historic rights to resources within the sea areas falling within the ‘nine-dash line',” referring to a demarcation line on a map of the sea from 1947.

China has repeatedly warned that it would not recognize any adverse ruling from The Hague’s arbitration court, which was widely expected. Beijing boycotted the hearings at the Permanent Court of Arbitration, saying that it does not have jurisdiction to decide the dispute.

www.rt.com/news/350756-south-china-sea-hague/
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the 9 -dash line swallows almost the entire South China Sea

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