Biden: Voters should blame Obama, not Bush, for economy

Yurt said:
no i don't. and the times you're talking about are apples/oranges. you are trying to bring me into an argument i've never remotely talked about vs. someone calling our a rightie for something in the very thread a lefty is shown to have done the same thing (not necessarily related to the board.) you want to draw me in when i have not entered the arena.

i know you're too dumb to see the difference.
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On the contrary - you do, and often. That you would deny it or lie about it is unsurprising. But I do allot for the possibility that you're genuinely not aware of it, because of the awareness thing you have.
 
ZappasGuitar said:
So in 2003 Bush pushed for greater regulation and two years later, that would be 2005, regulations died in the Senate...I forget, which party controlled BOTH houses of Congress in 05?
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Whats your point ?...In 2009 and 2010 Democrats controlled both houses of Congress and Republicans were still blamed for Obamas failures in legislation...
No super majority in 2005 like Obama enjoyed either....
So the points is ...you have no point.
 
........................Onecell can save post 32 and 33 so he don't have to ask for proof again.....the proof is their own, undeniable words on video
 
bravo said:
........................Onecell can save post 32 and 33 so he don't have to ask for proof again.....the proof is their own, undeniable words on video
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Uh, no - it ain't proof of what you have argued on 2 separate threads: that OBAMA WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE '08 CRASH.

I saw your l'il edit on the one post though. You tried to cover for your stupidity, but unfortunately, it was a bit late.
 
The dems took over the House and the Seante in Jan, 2007 and kept control until January of this year. Four years. HELLO?
 
Onceler said:
Uh, no - it ain't proof of what you have argued on 2 separate threads: that OBAMA WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE '08 CRASH.

I saw your l'il edit on the one post though. You tried to cover for your stupidity, but unfortunately, it was a bit late.
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Correcting a hasty, inaccurate post is not a cover up....its honesty, something your not very familiar with....
 
Holding a man responsible for events before or after he leaves office is not what I do.....ITS WHAT YOU DO....
 
Yurt said:
how is it you can now blame the pubs for 2005 action/inaction, but when the dems controlled from 07-10, you blame the pubs for the dems inability to get things done?
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I know this might be hard for you to understand, but I was responding to a SPECIFIC COMMENT by bravo...if you've got a problem with how Democrats ran things from 07 to the present, then start another thread and ask your questions there.


bravo said:
The Bush administration pushed for significantly increased regulation of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac in 2003, but after two years, the regulations passed the House but died in the Senate.

Among the groups denouncing the proposal today were the National Association of Home Builders and Congressional Democrats who fear that tighter regulation of the companies could sharply reduce their commitment to financing low-income and affordable housing.
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bravo blames Democrats for the troubles Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac faced, but it's clear from the timeline HE provided that Democrats were in NO POSITION to do anything...any helpful regulations that stalled in either house of Congress did so due to Republican inaction.
 
bravo said:
Whats your point ?...In 2009 and 2010 Democrats controlled both houses of Congress and Republicans were still blamed for Obamas failures in legislation...
No super majority in 2005 like Obama enjoyed either....
So the points is ...you have no point.
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That's a good little coward...whatever you do, don't answer any question that might paint any of your precious Conservatives in a negative light...LOL!
 
bravo said:
The Bush administration pushed for significantly increased regulation of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac in 2003, but after two years, the regulations passed the House but died in the Senate.
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ZappasGuitar said:
So in 2003 Bush pushed for greater regulation and two years later, that would be 2005, regulations died in the Senate...I forget, which party controlled BOTH houses of Congress in 05?
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I'm sorry, which party controlled the House in 05? And which party controlled the Senate? AND the White House?


bravo said:
Holding a man responsible for events before or after he leaves office is not what I do.....ITS WHAT YOU DO....
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Apparently holding a man responsible for events that happen DURING his time in office isn't something you do either...at least when that person is a Conservative...LOL
 
bravo said:
Holding a man responsible for events before or after he leaves office is not what I do.....ITS WHAT YOU DO....
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Well, first, shouting isn't helping your cause. Second, you argued repeatedly - on 2 separate threads - that Obama was responsible for the crash. When you became too embarassed about that claim (good on you, btw), you went back & edited those posts.

And you most certainly hold people responsible for actions AFTER they leave office, as you should. However, you tend to do that selectively, as w/ Clinton, or, say, the Dem Congress from '06 to '08. But you rarely if ever hold Bush accountable for anything, whether it's something he did while in office, or something that he did that had an effect after he left.
 
Onceler said:
Ah, got it. So when you said you were telling an "honest lie," what you were saying is that you're really a liar?

It's good to hear you admit that.
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what?

why are you running away from your claim and deflecting on me? you always do this when cornered. are you going to step up and admit biden did not lie as you claimed?
 
ZappasGuitar said:
I know this might be hard for you to understand, but I was responding to a SPECIFIC COMMENT by bravo...if you've got a problem with how Democrats ran things from 07 to the present, then start another thread and ask your questions there.
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translation:

ooops, busted in more hypocrisy, so i'll cry "thread derailment" and hope everybody ignores my obvious hypocrisy.
 
Yurt said:
what?

why are you running away from your claim and deflecting on me? you always do this when cornered. are you going to step up and admit biden did not lie as you claimed?
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LOL - can't answer the question.

I didn't claim Biden "lied." If you want to take it to extremes, you're being hypocritical. Like I had said - he's trying to be honorable, but that doesn't mean what he said is an honest assessment.
 
Just a quick question....

did anybody bother to report this to AttackWatch? Joe needs to be added to the enemies list along with Kermit the Frog (I reported him, I know he's on the list) and Joe the Plumber... In fact they should put everybody named Joe on the list.
 
ZappasGuitar said:
I know this might be hard for you to understand, but I was responding to a SPECIFIC COMMENT by bravo...if you've got a problem with how Democrats ran things from 07 to the present, then start another thread and ask your questions there.

Don't need another thread...this thread seems to be about the crash and the Democrats that controlled 2/3 of the government from 07 to 2010 caused it.....by actions they took, by inaction from them, and by their not responding to the warnings from Bush and McCain......who were already trying to do something about Fannie and Freddie as early as 2003.....



bravo blames Democrats for the troubles Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac faced, but it's clear from the timeline HE provided that Democrats were in NO POSITION to do anything...any helpful regulations that stalled in either house of Congress did so due to Republican inaction.
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Controlling 2/3 of the government puts them in no position? Bullshit........the videos prove otherwise...the Democrats in their own words deny Freddie and Frannie were even in trouble....
they were in denial then as you are now...as late as 2007 their might have still been time to save them but Barney kept saying nothing was wrong,,,do you deny what your hearing with your own fuckin' ears...?
 
Onceler said:
Well, first, shouting isn't helping your cause. Second, you argued repeatedly - on 2 separate threads - that Obama was responsible for the crash. When you became too embarassed about that claim (good on you, btw), you went back & edited those posts.

And you most certainly hold people responsible for actions AFTER they leave office, as you should. However, you tend to do that selectively, as w/ Clinton, or, say, the Dem Congress from '06 to '08. But you rarely if ever hold Bush accountable for anything, whether it's something he did while in office, or something that he did that had an effect after he left.
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I admit my post #7 wasn't clear but I didn't post Obama's name at all...that was in your post, not mine.......I was referring to history and historical fact rather than Obama....but I admit it was ambiguous...considering is was a response to you lie....no matter...

Now to continue...If Clinton endorsed and passed and signed some legislation during his years in office , I certainly would hold him responsible for that and subsequent events directly caused by that legislation....and I certainly would treat Bush in the same manner......

You obviously can't hold a president responsible for a failure to get legislation passed, he ain't a fuckin dictator, he don't control congress and he ain't a magician.....

And if you have another thread in question where you think I unfairly blamed Obama for the meltdown BEFORE he was elected, I'll be more that happy to edit those alleged mistakes...

Anything else I can clarify for you ....don't hesitate to tell me.....
 
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