Ben Shapiro speaking at Cal

Mott the Hoople said:
His views on race, social issues, economic views and particularly his views on Israel are well to the right of the mainstream.

Having said that I respect Shapiro. He's the closest thing the conservative movement has to an intellectual leader. Ben is very bright, witty, likeable, always well prepared and an extremely formidable debator. He is self admittedly a dishonest debator but if your goal is to win a debate then why not use all tools available to you?

In a serious level his arguments are often either not substantive when examined closely and he likes to cherry pick data when it supports his purpose and dismissive when it doesn't so there he often falls short of the smell test when it comes to selling ideas. In short he's not convincing enough to change people's views.

But that's not Shapiro's strong suite. He is excellent at teaching conservatives that their ideas do not have lose debates or or be dismissed for lacking relevance or being anachronistic.

I think liberals who oppose his views should listen to him and carefully. It would be a mistake to be dismissive of him. He is no conservative evangelical throwing red meat to the true believers like Limbaugh or Beck or a photogenic lightweight tossing out the days regurgitated Facebook talking points like Tammy Lehrer or a babbling non entity like Hannity.
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I disagree. I've listened to him and he's racist to the core.

His views of Blacks are very disturbing. He's a conservative with extreme right wing views, especially against minorities.

I go out on a limb and say most minorities would disagree with your post. .........just saying.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
His views on race, social issues, economic views and particularly his views on Israel are well to the right of the mainstream.

Having said that I respect Shapiro. He's the closest thing the conservative movement has to an intellectual leader. Ben is very bright, witty, likeable, always well prepared and an extremely formidable debator. He is self admittedly a dishonest debator but if your goal is to win a debate then why not use all tools available to you?

In a serious level his arguments are often either not substantive when examined closely and he likes to cherry pick data when it supports his purpose and dismissive when it doesn't so there he often falls short of the smell test when it comes to selling ideas. In short he's not convincing enough to change people's views.

But that's not Shapiro's strong suite. He is excellent at teaching conservatives that their ideas do not have lose debates or or be dismissed for lacking relevance or being anachronistic.

I think liberals who oppose his views should listen to him and carefully. It would be a mistake to be dismissive of him. He is no conservative evangelical throwing red meat to the true believers like Limbaugh or Beck or a photogenic lightweight tossing out the days regurgitated Facebook talking points like Tammy Lehrer or a babbling non entity like Hannity.
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Not only have I never heard of Shapiro before this thread but Tammy Lehrer??? I google that name and get some masseuse and a dance studio.
 
Someone tell cawacko to stop lying on me.

I don't call everyone racist, just racist white men who are racist.
 
cawacko said:
He's a smart principled conservative who speaks at multiple college campuses and challenges students who otherwise live in a bubble. So he's a threat. People like Milo and Coulter are hateful shock jocks. Shapiro is the real deal. Hence the attempt to group him with them and label him a racist.
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You don't think some of Shapiro's views, particularly on Palestinians are not racist? Shapiro likes to ride that line but at the same time I think the anti Semitic attacks on Shapiro by Trump supporters was disgusting.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
You don't think some of Shapiro's views, particularly on Palestinians are not racist? Shapiro likes to ride that line but at the same time I think the anti Semitic attacks on Shapiro by Trump supporters was disgusting.
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I can't listen to him, his voice to me is nails on a chalkboard. I have to find transcripts!
 
blackascoal said:
Have I ever called you a racist? Don't be deluded by the garbage speech of morons. ILA is a moron .. and you know it. 'I want to enslave you' .. for what? :0) Fucking moron.

Our perspectives come from opposite sides of the divide .. and this is indeed ideological warfare. No disrespect to you personally, but I want to see your side as rejected as dogshit on a school playground.

Nothing personal.
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Yeah why would anyone take that personally you dipshit racist.

I have dealt with your type many times in my life. You try to play the angry negro like you are Samuel L Jackson in Pulp Fiction but you are an ineffectual race hustler.

I am glad to know you read my posts. You will always be my slave.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
You don't think some of Shapiro's views, particularly on Palestinians are not racist? Shapiro likes to ride that line but at the same time I think the anti Semitic attacks on Shapiro by Trump supporters was disgusting.
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Mott, how do you wring 'racism' out of Palestinians, when the Palestinians are a racial/ethnic hodgepodge lol?
 
Micawber said:
This is true. He goes to great lengths to present himself as the voice of reason, but on every political position, the side he comes down on in every single issue and thread, the backs he has and those he puts a knife in tell the story. He is not moderate in any opinion whatsoever, a wool dyed conservative Republican. He doesn't lean, he is all in.

He will call out a complete racial slur on occasion, but other than that he is just a right wing partisan hack who thinks far too much of himself, and tries to manipulate people in some henhouse psych warfare game where he poses as the leader of idiots. It's comical because he obviously takes himself and this very seriously.
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PackD, do you ever wonder why when you go to scratch your balls there is nothing there? Seriously.
 
TTQ64 said:
I disagree. I've listened to him and he's racist to the core.

His views of Blacks are very disturbing. He's a conservative with extreme right wing views, especially against minorities.

I go out on a limb and say most minorities would disagree with your post. .........just saying.
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i cannot agree or disagree with you as I've not hears Shapiro speak much on racial issues, in general, but I have heard his comments on Palestinians and those were indeed racist comments.
 
Darth Omar said:
Mott, how do you wring 'racism' out of Palestinians, when the Palestinians are a racial/ethnic hodgepodge lol?
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So are Jews yet it's considered racist to be anti Semitic. So what's your point?

My point is that Shapiro has said reprehensible things about Palestinians based on their ethnic/racial hodgepodge as you put it.
 
cawacko said:
He's a smart principled conservative who speaks at multiple college campuses and challenges students who otherwise live in a bubble. So he's a threat. People like Milo and Coulter are hateful shock jocks. Shapiro is the real deal. Hence the attempt to group him with them and label him a racist.
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I wasn't interested in what he has to say, until i read this..now i'm sorta/kina interested
 
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