As student scores plummet, teachers unions play politics and make them worse

Maybe because in a normal world, a business hands out raises and bonuses for improved performance and productivity. That is, in the case of schools, they are turning out better educated, more productive, graduates who go on to be successful. Like it or not, that is measurable. But it isn't happening in most of US public education. So, why should raises and bonuses be handed to teachers and others in public education if the results are mediocre?

Raises and bonuses follow results, not the other way around which is what the teacher's unions are demanding. That is the unions and champions of public education are saying If you give teachers huge raises and bonuses, they'll produce a better product... Well, that's pretty much complete bullshit. The same teachers as before the raises are doing the same stuff the same way after the raises.

Fix the outcomes, raise standards, and produce a better product and raises and bonuses will follow.
I must have missed the huge raises and bonuses... but you're correct... the way things are being run now is not working... our schools are in crisis our kids deserve better...much better... I do see changes coming slowly but surely... because parents are getting more involved... and when everyone works together you'll see Improvement... I have to believe that's going to make the difference...( Priscilla and Randy need to sit down and hush...)
 
I wonder what I didn't do that I should have been doing according to you... I didn't cross a strike line... I was a team player I cooked for everyone...what "requisite core values" was I missing? ;)

I don't mean moral attributes, TOP.

Conservatives are all about the individual first and foremost,

and while that's a perfectly legitimate mindset to have,

that's not the right mindset for a union person who must have fierce solidarity with his/her fellow members.

Just the fact that the union was a third party to you--

them, not us--

should help you understand what I mean.

If you felt that the union and the body of teachers were one and the same entity,
which is what your union's constitution said, I'm sure,

you'd have been saying,

"we" didn't accomplish this or "we" didn't accomplish that,

and you would have been more pro-active about it.

If the entire faculty looked at it that way,

imagine how much stronger you could have been.

I'll bet your elections would have been taken a lot more seriously with a lot more participation.

Maybe I was just "all in" more than some people will ever get.

It's also why, I imagine, that I could never be a registered independent voter.
 
So, the old man, Nifty, was a union hack.

Most of the unions are in an incestuous relationship with the Democratic Party. The unions collect dues and give them to the Democrats who then support the unions.

Some people can not live without a collective crutch…a walking stick.

“We are not descended from fearful men.” Edward R. Murrow.
 
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Because the same people were always elected... and I didn't have time or desire to run... I was too busy teaching and coaching and raising a family... that keeps you busy you know? I didn't complain... and I paid my dues every year.... I'm complaining now because I have more time and realize that things could have been much much better and how now things are much much worse than they've ever been... teachers and kids deserve better.... don't you agree?
I think you should run now. What’s holding you back if you’re so concerned about the situation? Retired, you have lots of time. You seem to think you have solutions for the “mess” that Ohio’s schools and teachers are. You should run.
 
I don't mean moral attributes, TOP.

Conservatives are all about the individual first and foremost,

and while that's a perfectly legitimate mindset to have,

that's not the right mindset for a union person who must have fierce solidarity with his/her fellow members.

Just the fact that the union was a third party to you--

them, not us--

should help you understand what I mean.

If you felt that the union and the body of teachers were one and the same entity,
which is what your union's constitution said, I'm sure,

you'd have been saying,

"we" didn't accomplish this or "we" didn't accomplish that,

and you would have been more pro-active about it.

If the entire faculty looked at it that way,

imagine how much stronger you could have been.

I'll bet your elections would have been taken a lot more seriously with a lot more participation.

Maybe I was just "all in" more than some people will ever get.

It's also why, I imagine, that I could never be a registered independent voter.
But we weren't one and the same...i guess unless you worked there, it's hard to understand that... It's not about the individual when you're teaching (although in our classes, it actually is about the individual...but that's another discussion for another time)...we were a very strong staff, and many of us had been faculty for 15 years or more...but that had nothing to do with the union...we weren't there to be union members...we were there to teach and be there for the kids and each other...

That's probably why the union reps never really changed...it was basically an "appointment"...they went to negotiations, never really got us much of anything...and if there was "Problem", they called someone in the union office...
I think I remember that happening twice...and they went to conventions...
We pretty knew that we weren't every going to get what we needed or deserved...that's just the way it was...Our school did get some updates the year after I left...;)
On paper, the unions sound good...In reality, they are quite the opposite... Just listen to the presidents of NEA and AFT...that should tell you how they're "working".... PS...You were all in...that's awesome... I'm sure you helped change the lives of many of the workers...I wish teachers had representation like you provided...we don't...
 
But we weren't one and the same...i guess unless you worked there, it's hard to understand that... It's not about the individual when you're teaching (although in our classes, it actually is about the individual...but that's another discussion for another time)...we were a very strong staff, and many of us had been faculty for 15 years or more...but that had nothing to do with the union...we weren't there to be union members...we were there to teach and be there for the kids and each other...

That's probably why the union reps never really changed...it was basically an "appointment"...they went to negotiations, never really got us much of anything...and if there was "Problem", they called someone in the union office...
I think I remember that happening twice...and they went to conventions...
We pretty knew that we weren't every going to get what we needed or deserved...that's just the way it was...Our school did get some updates the year after I left...;)
On paper, the unions sound good...In reality, they are quite the opposite... Just listen to the presidents of NEA and AFT...that should tell you how they're "working".... PS...You were all in...that's awesome... I'm sure you helped change the lives of many of the workers...I wish teachers had representation like you provided...we don't...
Sounds like apathy is your union problem. No one cared enough to make a difference.
 
I think you should run now. What’s holding you back if you’re so concerned about the situation? Retired, you have lots of time. You seem to think you have solutions for the “mess” that Ohio’s schools and teachers are. You should run.
I don't want to run... so there's nothing "holding me back"...and we're working on solutions...every day... Not everyone and everything is a "mess"...It's a never ending battle, considering what they're trying to get away with these days... Plus, I don't have time like most of you retired people...I've quite involved in a number of ongoing projects.. Good chat....:)
 
Sounds like apathy is your union problem. No one cared enough to make a difference.
Apathy was not the problem...
Are teacher's unions making a real, meaningful difference anywhere? It surely doesn't look like it...
 
Apathy was not the problem...
Are teacher's unions making a real, meaningful difference anywhere? It surely doesn't look like it...
Yes, they are, but unions are only as good as their members want them to be, is what Nifty and I have been telling you. If teachers aren’t involved in their unions, then the union will be a disaster.
 
Yes, they are, but unions are only as good as their members want them to be, is what Nifty and I have been telling you. If teachers aren’t involved in their unions, then the union will be a disaster.
Would you be involved in unions with leaders like Rebecca Pringle and Randi Weingarten? Teachers are enthusiastic in the beginning...until they find out the realities...and see the Budget...and reap the "rewards"...or lack of them...
 
Yes, they are, but unions are only as good as their members want them to be, is what Nifty and I have been telling you. If teachers aren’t involved in their unions, then the union will be a disaster.

A large union is only as good as its leadership is. If the leadership is about 'us v. them' politics, fighting management, and doing things like protecting mediocre worker's jobs and squeezing every last bit of money out of the company in pay and benefits, then it's an almost certainty that the company will either fail or move to rid itself of the union. The members often have little say in what the union decides to do other than at the local level.
 
Would you be involved in unions with leaders like Rebecca Pringle and Randi Weingarten? Teachers are enthusiastic in the beginning...until they find out the realities...and see the Budget...and reap the "rewards"...or lack of them...
They are voted in to their positions, why are they retained if they are so awful, it’s because no one wants the job, like you? Positions like that can be thankless because everyone wants results, but no one wants to put in the work.
 
A large union is only as good as its leadership is. If the leadership is about 'us v. them' politics, fighting management, and doing things like protecting mediocre worker's jobs and squeezing every last bit of money out of the company in pay and benefits, then it's an almost certainty that the company will either fail or move to rid itself of the union. The members often have little say in what the union decides to do other than at the local level.
Members dictate what unions do, if you have an apathetic union body, the leadership will suffer.
 
Members dictate what unions do, if you have an apathetic union body, the leadership will suffer.
So you're blaming the teachers for the unions not doing their job? Who did the union spend more money on last year? Political causes or membership support and benefits?
 
They are voted in to their positions, why are they retained if they are so awful, it’s because no one wants the job, like you? Positions like that can be thankless because everyone wants results, but no one wants to put in the work.
If the Union was strong and had great leaders, the job would not be "thankless"...But why would anyone want a job where you have to work with those kinds of attitudes and politics... For little or no results... Most of us have much better things to do with our time as teachers...
 
Why is there a teacher shortage? When I graduated and got my first job, there were thousands of applicants for not a huge number of positions...Now they're begging for teachers everywhere...
and losing the ones they have at a record pace...Who or what's to blame?
 
The disgraceful state of our school system in entirely the fault of the Stalin-o-crats, and their agents the teachers, where getting money for the union and DNC have long been the main goals.

And now, as our students flounder with STEM as well as simple reading, slociaql sexual and racial indoctrination are what is being foisted on ouir children, against the wishes of their parents.



As student scores plummet, teachers unions play politics and make them worse

Opinion by Washington Examiner




After another summer of radical activity from the National Education Association and the American Federation of Teachers, Congress should revoke the unique federal charter of the former, and federal agencies should ensure both groups comply fully with labor laws.

Both unions long ago abandoned their proper missions, namely ensuring reasonable working conditions for school staff. Both now are avatars of the extreme Left, focused less on educational attainment than on partisan political activism and radical social crusades.

Witness the major summer conferences of each organization this year. As highlighted in a new report by the Defense of Freedom Institute, the teachers unions keep pushing contentious racial and gender agendas, try to conceal what they are really doing, seek to block parental involvement in education, and push disciplinary laxity at the cost of classroom safety. The Aug. 16 report, called “Summer of Woke, the Sequel,” details a litany of the unions’ conference obsessions that militate against the interests and views of large majorities of parents. The NEA openly advocates violations of Titles VI and VII of the Civil Rights Act by advocating hiring preferences based on race and gender while literally opposing “employment practices that treat people equally regardless of ethnicity or gender.”

This all comes at the expense of a focus on improving teaching, which should be the top priority after recent calamitous drops in national education scores. Consider a resolution on transgender issues that the AFT passed; it advocates “inclusive policies relating to … bathrooms and locker rooms.” It also commits the union and its teachers to work with activist groups that, among other things, demand that staff should avoid telling parents when calling students by “pronouns” that do not fit their biological sex.

The NEA this year released a “Pronoun Guide” listing the “most common pronouns the non-words “ze,” “zim,” “zir” “zirs,” and “zerself” in lieu of he, him, her, hers, and herself. This isn’t a joke. The unions want to fill children's heads with nonsense instead of teaching them English. One of the NEA's summer sessions, according to the think tank’s report, “argues that ‘cisnormativity,’ the assumption that people’s gender identity matches their biological sex, ‘can be limiting for [differently gendered people] … and cisgender folks alike.” Schoolchildren should be learning facts, the truth, what is what, at school. They should not be told a pack of ideological lies.













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This is a reprint from the Washington Examiner, and this article is an Editorials, and not fact.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...hers-unions-play-politics-and-make-them-worse
 
You can always read the NEA president's speeches...or listen to Randi Weingarten...or the Union websites...
They are Not there for millions of teachers....
 
Why is there a teacher shortage? When I graduated and got my first job, there were thousands of applicants for not a huge number of positions...Now they're begging for teachers everywhere...
and losing the ones they have at a record pace...Who or what's to blame?

The WOKE Suicide Cult, which converted the former places of education into places of indoctrination of their religion.
 
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