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They don't want to discuss anything with you, they want you to admit you were totally wrong so that they can feel warm and fuzzy all over.
‘Art Of The Deal’ Co-Author Tony Schwartz Predicts Trump’s About To Resign
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They don't want to discuss anything with you, they want you to admit you were totally wrong so that they can feel warm and fuzzy all over.
There are war games for any possible scenario. I'm not completely sure China would want in on a war against us -depending on what type of strike we used and how it played out.
Ideally we could neutralize most threats immediately, and the rest over a short time, in which case China
(despite what it says) would stay out. all very dicey of course.
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probably..do you know the term "posting through" a poster?
It's like answering them to make your point without really caring about the poster you are talking to.
You just use them as a foil.
I don't do that very often. I prefer to get into a detailed discussion -after all I learn things too.
If nothing else it sharpens my debate skills also.
But i'm not above just "posting through" people either when push comes to shove
Why do you think china stays out if we strike first?? They have said they would stay neutral unless the USA strikes first..
blackascoal
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It's the stupidest foreign policy thought ever .. and the South Korea and Japan are totally against it.
blackascoal
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China Would Join Forces With North Korea if U.S. Launches Pre-Emptive Strike
http://www.newsweek.com/china-north-korea-preemptive-strike-649802
Kim knows that Trump won't attack NK .. even if his ill-informed supporters don't.
http://www.newsweek.com/china-north-korea-preemptive-strike-649802
Kim knows that Trump won't attack NK .. even if his ill-informed supporters don't.
what else would you expect them to say????? "Go ahead USA and we'll stand around and watch?"
The Chinese are nothing if not the most practical people in the world..so..
we do a quick strike ( and we have a LOT of stealth now -so we would not need nukes)- maybe use some EMF pulses to disable their computers,and then we're down to the artillery/army
How quickly could we take that out? ( I don't know) -but iddwe could neuter artillery quickly
then they just have a Big Ass Army, and you have to wonder if the generals would commit their army after that that?
There's a LOT to this..I'm just running a scenario..Im sure their are 100's off the shelf available already.
But..if we really could hit them hard and fast and over many platforms....?? What does China gain by joining in?
I can fully understand why they would feel/think that way... Until last month by daughter & family were less than 800miles from NK......
Face.........
U.S. Air Force confirms Boeing’s electromagnetic pulse weapon
known as the “CHAMP,” or Counter-electronics High-powered Microwave Advanced Missile Project, the American military project is an attempt to develop a device with all the power of a nuclear weapon but without the death and destruction to people and infrastructure that such a weapon causes. Theoretically, the new missile system would pinpoint buildings and knock out their electrical grids, plunging the target into darkness and general disconnectedness.
According to Air Force Research Laboratory commander Major General Tom Masiello, CHAMP is “an operational system already in our tactical air force.” While it appears that the Laboratory has only commissioned five such devices with Boeing, with the Air Force’s recent confirmation of the weapon’s existence, there may be more in the works in the future.
Military forces have been actively developing next-generation weapons that take warfare well beyond the guns and rockets that populate modern arsenals. Lasers have been a key area of advancement: Lockheed Martin test fired a laser weapon in March that took out a truck engine from a mile away, while the Navy deployed a Laser Weapon System (LaWS for short) on a vessel in the Persian Gulf in December.
https://www.digitaltrends.com/cool-tech/us-air-force-confirms-boeings-electromagnetic-pulse-weapon/
known as the “CHAMP,” or Counter-electronics High-powered Microwave Advanced Missile Project, the American military project is an attempt to develop a device with all the power of a nuclear weapon but without the death and destruction to people and infrastructure that such a weapon causes. Theoretically, the new missile system would pinpoint buildings and knock out their electrical grids, plunging the target into darkness and general disconnectedness.
According to Air Force Research Laboratory commander Major General Tom Masiello, CHAMP is “an operational system already in our tactical air force.” While it appears that the Laboratory has only commissioned five such devices with Boeing, with the Air Force’s recent confirmation of the weapon’s existence, there may be more in the works in the future.
Military forces have been actively developing next-generation weapons that take warfare well beyond the guns and rockets that populate modern arsenals. Lasers have been a key area of advancement: Lockheed Martin test fired a laser weapon in March that took out a truck engine from a mile away, while the Navy deployed a Laser Weapon System (LaWS for short) on a vessel in the Persian Gulf in December.
https://www.digitaltrends.com/cool-tech/us-air-force-confirms-boeings-electromagnetic-pulse-weapon/
blackascoal
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Damn .. for a so called geopolitical analyst, you sure are ill-informed. :0)
China does not want to see a unified Korea with heavy US influence on the continent. They want the buffer of North Korea to remain intact.
They have made it very clear that they will join forces with NK if the US attacks it first.
There is nothing secret or unknown about that.
All Trump has done is bluster like a WWE clown .. and the idiots who know nothing about geopolitical events bought it hook, line, and sinker.
what does China gain by joining in a war that is quickly lost?
especially if it's a shock and awe type war? They accept regime change and still have a NKorea that isn't ruined/nuked.
I mean this is like last ditch answer -and I doubt it would happen.
The point of it all is Bannon should not have been saying anything about "military solution"
I know more about weapon systems then you've ever even looked at. your pathetic previous display at not knowing the basic damn range of their ICBM's shows this. so stuff the insults dude.
I'm wargaming. that's all.
I think if we could do it quickly and take out their nukes, and artillery there is at least a chance the generals would not commit their troops over the DMZ. we have LASERS and EMF Pulse added to our STEALTH
One thing is sure. there are multiple wargames for any possible scenarios. China's new position that it would not get in given NK's 1st agressions shows there is more daylight then we assumed between the 2
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Their submarines are not so easy to take out and they, as far as we know anyway, also have missiles.
I don't agree w/ their reasoning but they said what they would do & I believe, unlike the dirty, they aint bluffing...
I'm sure they have great plans just like we do.......
So not only would we be @ war w/ Korea, in addition to Afghani-NAM & our various commitments in the ME, Africa, Europe etc we would be @ war w/ a nuclear armed state & in a trade war w/ our biggest trading partner..
I don't think most of the folks that voted for him were looking for something like this, do you??
Nomad
Every trumper is a N4T.
As I've pointed out to you before but you always CONVENIENTLY "FORGET"..... your side hoarded weapons and made threats about race wars.
Just as bad if not worse.
blackascoal
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Sure, just like you know more about politics then I do .. which of course is why you voted for and supported with your entire being the worst fucking president this nation has EVER seen. :0)
I've never had a conversation with you about the range of ICBM's .. which Kim still has in place.
The moment we strike NK, Kim will send his missiles into South Korea .. killing countless innocent people.
Smarter people know that Kim has nukes for his own protection and he's not dumb enough to start a war .. or fire missiles towards Guam .. which you were naïve enough to believe he would do. He's never done that.
These aren't insults, they are statements of fact.
Fortune: You Don’t Want to Know What’ll Happen If the U.S. Strikes North Korea First
To assess the real probability of war requires an accurate understanding of the U.S. capability and political will to launch a preemptive strike on North Korea. No one questions that U.S. has such technical capability. However, it is the political, military, economic, and diplomatic consequences of such an attack that makes it an undesired option.
The disastrous result of a preemptive strike on North Korea is well understood among policy-makers and military analysts. Conventional wisdom holds that first, without being provoked, the U.S. would not lightly resort to such an extreme option; and second, North Korea as a “rational actor” will not provoke the U.S., an act of suicide. However, what people are indeed concerned with is whether the president’s verbal spat with Pyongyang could lead to North Korea’s serious miscalculation of U.S. intention, and whether the U.S. will stumble into a nuclear war with North Korea inadvertently.
It’s clear that the military option comes with significant risk. A U.S. preemptive strike, namely a targeted nuclear attack to take out North Korea’s nuclear weapons, would invite all-out retaliation by North Korea against South Korea, Japan, and U.S. troops in the region. With the massive conventional artilleries deployed near the Korean Demilitarized Zone, North Korea would inflict major casualties on the South.
If the U.S. resorts to a preemptive strike on North Korea without consultation and agreement from Seoul, the costs to South Korea would have a critically damaging effect over the U.S.-South Korea alliance, even possibly lead to its dissolution. Considering President Moon Jae-in’s interest in engagement with North Korea, it would be highly unlikely for South Korea to support a U.S. decision to launch a targeted nuclear attack on the North.
A U.S. preemptive strike on North Korea would also likely invite Chinese intervention. The Sino-North Korea Friendship, Cooperation, and Mutual Assistance Treaty commits China to North Korea’s defense in the event of foreign aggression. Although the validity of the 56-year old treaty is constantly debated, few doubt that China would intervene to defend its perceived national interests in the Korean Peninsula, including the preservation of a North Korean state and the prevention of a South Korea-led unification. It would put U.S. and China directly on a collision course and could lead to another Korean War.
http://fortune.com/2017/08/10/north-korea-trump-nuclear-war-news-fire-and-fury/
I'm picking apart your 'wargaming' .. that's fair, right?
My nephew left in April, my other nephew in June, very relieved.
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Nomad
Every trumper is a N4T.
Streets after Obama won.
Streets after Trump won.
Any questions?
Prove that the top picture is what it claims to be.
I don't base my opinions on stupid mindless memes.
That's a right-wing thing.
And re: the Democrats' mostly peaceful demonstrations, that is part of the history of this country.
At least they weren't carrying Walmart lawn torches and giving Nazi salutes like your people do.
Oh, you want everyone to forget about that.
Got it.
Ain't happening though.