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What caused the uprising?

While lack of freedoms and economic woes drove resentment of the Syrian government, the harsh crackdown on protesters inflamed public anger.

Arab Spring: In 2011, successful uprisings - that became known as the Arab Spring - toppled Tunisia's and Egypt's presidents. This gave hope to Syrian pro-democracy activists.

That March, peaceful protests erupted in Syria as well, after 15 boys were detained and tortured for writing graffiti in support of the Arab Spring. One of the boys, a 13-year-old, was killed after having been brutally tortured.

The Syrian government, led by President Bashar al-Assad, responded to the protests by killing hundreds of demonstrators and imprisoning many more.

In July 2011, defectors from the military announced the formation of the Free Syrian Army, a rebel group aiming to overthrow the government, and Syria began to slide into civil war.

While the protests in 2011 were mostly non-sectarian, the armed conflict surfaced starker sectarian divisions. Most Syrians are Sunni Muslims, but Syria's security establishment has long been dominated by members of the Alawi sect, of which Assad is a member.

In 1982, Bashar's father ordered a military crackdown on the Muslim Brotherhood in Hama, killing tens of thousands of people and flattening much of the city.
Even global warming is said to have played a role in sparking the 2011 uprising. Severe drought plagued Syria from 2007-10, causing as many as 1.5 million people to migrate from the countryside into cities, exacerbating poverty and social unrest.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/05/syria-civil-war-explained-160505084119966.html
 
Invading Iraq both created ISIS out of ex-Iraqi soldiers and destabilized the ME

you're a moron
doubling down on stupidity? awesome

"destabilizing" what? It destabilized Iraq - hell it broke Iraq- which led to the current expansion of Iranian expeditionary forces -which ARE in Syria - but are latecomers and had nothing to do with root causes.
I even laid it out for you,, fucking bobsy twins of stupidity
 
You fucking idiot. the US had absolutely nothing to do with the Syrian civil war.
or "destabilizing" Syria

Au contraire...we probably had more to do with Syria than anyone else.

  • Firstly, because of our climate and dirty energy policy that is a main driver of global warming which caused the Syrian drought.
  • The Syrian drought pushed millions of rural Syrians into the cities.
  • The cities were unable to handle that mass migration and the usual problems surfaced; high unemployment, starvation, civil unrest.
  • The Arab Spring happened and all those disaffected rural Syrians who went to the cities suddenly found themselves the object of Assad's wrath as they demonstrated for food, jobs, and democracy.
  • At the same time, we had kicked the Ba'athists out of Iraq, and the #1 destination for those Ba'athists was Syria.
  • There in Syria, the Ba'athists met up with rich Saudis (to whom we sell weapons and provide aid) who funded the creation of ISIS.
  • Civil War breaks out, and we do nothing to address the humanitarian crisis caused by global warming & the destabilization of Iraq that led to former Ba'athists finding themselves in Syria with Saudi funding.

So we are to blame for what happened in Syria, and it is our duty to take in every single refugee from there.
 
"destabilizing" what? It destabilized Iraq - hell it broke Iraq- which led to the current expansion of Iranian expeditionary forces -which ARE in Syria - but are latecomers and had nothing to do with root causes.

exactly, destabilized Iraq

btw, is Iraq considered the Middle East

you're one dumb fuck
 
That was maybe ISIS - but ISIS didn't cause the Syrian civil war either.

No, climate change did because of the Syrian drought that forced millions of rural farmers into the cities looking for food, jobs, and water.

Those disaffected Syrians became the object of Assad's wrath, and that's how the Syrian Civil War started.

ISIS was already there because they were all the former Ba'athists that got kicked out of Iraq. So in the vacuum of the Civil War, ISIS emerged because of the funding and arms they got from their wealthy Saudi and Gulf Arab backers.

There would not have been an ISIS if we hadn't invaded Iraq and kicked the Ba'athists out.
 
Au contraire...we probably had more to do with Syria than anyone else.

  • Firstly, because of our climate and dirty energy policy that is a main driver of global warming which caused the Syrian drought.
  • The Syrian drought pushed millions of rural Syrians into the cities.
  • The cities were unable to handle that mass migration and the usual problems surfaced; high unemployment, starvation, civil unrest.
  • The Arab Spring happened and all those disaffected rural Syrians who went to the cities suddenly found themselves the object of Assad's wrath as they demonstrated for food, jobs, and democracy.
  • At the same time, we had kicked the Ba'athists out of Iraq, and the #1 destination for those Ba'athists was Syria.
  • There in Syria, the Ba'athists met up with rich Saudis (to whom we sell weapons and provide aid) who funded the creation of ISIS.
  • Civil War breaks out, and we do nothing to address the humanitarian crisis caused by global warming & the destabilization of Iraq that led to former Ba'athists finding themselves in Syria with Saudi funding.

So we are to blame for what happened in Syria, and it is our duty to take in every single refugee from there.

that is the dumbest fucking construct EVER. It's desperation to say the US foreign policy caused global warming.
You are essentially saying China/India caused ISIS as well

ISIS got it's funding largely thru Qatar. I believe ( have to check) because it allows bundling.

ISIS very quickly became self-funding.. again ISIS isn't even the cause of refugees -just another player
 
No, climate change did because of the Syrian drought that forced millions of rural farmers into the cities looking for food, jobs, and water.

Those disaffected Syrians became the object of Assad's wrath, and that's how the Syrian Civil War started.

ISIS was already there because they were all the former Ba'athists that got kicked out of Iraq. So in the vacuum of the Civil War, ISIS emerged because of the funding and arms they got from their wealthy Saudi and Gulf Arab backers.

There would not have been an ISIS if we hadn't invaded Iraq and kicked the Ba'athists out.
rural farmers?
you mean like OUTSIDE FOREIGN FIGHTERS? JIHADISTS?? and actually the the baathists founded AQIR -not ISIS.
and they were not "kicked out of Iraq" either. they metastisized within Iraq.

AQIR was mostly a Iraqi terrorist organization -al Baghdadi pushed it away from al-Qaeda when he decided to create a "caliphate" that led to the capitol in Raqqa etc.

the ARAB SPRING maybe caused the civil war...maybe - but even the Arab Spring was more then just about food fights
 
that is the dumbest fucking construct EVER. It's desperation to say the US foreign policy caused global warming

It's desperation to deny that our actions have consequences.

Our dirty climate policy is what fuels global warming, and global warming is what caused the Syrian drought, and the Syrian drought is what caused the mass migration to urban centers, and that mass migration is what caused civil unrest, and that civil unrest is what caused the Civil War.

What happened in Syria is a preview of what will happen globally in just a couple decades.


You are essentially saying China/India caused ISIS as well

No, ISIS was created because of Conservative policies in Iraq that drove Ba'athists out. Those Ba'athists went to Syria and hooked up with rich Saudis and Gulf Arabs who gave them funding and weapons to create and sustain ISIS.


ISIS got it's funding largely thru Qatar. I believe ( have to check) because it allows bundling.

Yeah, isn't Qatar one of our allies? They also get a ton of funding from rich Saudis. Really, the whole Gulf collection of states are sponsors of ISIS. There's not a good one among them.


ISIS very quickly became self-funding.. again ISIS isn't even the cause of refugees -just another player

No, ISIS still relies heavily on money from the Gulf States.

And yes, ISIS causes refugees. Like those around the Turkish border.
 
rural farmers

Yes, Rural farmers whose crops failed and went to the cities looking for jobs and food.

That created a migrant crisis within Syria because the cities were not equipped to handle that internal migration.

By the way - that is what will happen in this country too, and already has in some instances like Hurricane Katrina. People will become climate refugees either because their homes burned to a crisp (California) or were swallowed by the ocean (Florida, Gulf coast).

All because of our terrible climate policy.
 
you mean like OUTSIDE FOREIGN FIGHTERS? JIHADISTS?? and actually the the baathists founded AQIR -not ISIS.

Sigh...Ba'athists make up an overwhleming contingent of ISIS fighters.

All this was caused by your shitty decision to invade and occupy Iraq with absolutely no fucking plan for what to do after.
 
Sigh...Ba'athists make up an overwhleming contingent of ISIS fighters.

All this was caused by your shitty decision to invade and occupy Iraq with absolutely no fucking plan for what to do after.
no they do not.
The majority of fighters in Syria are Syrians with a healthy dose of foreign jihadists thrown in.

ISIS LEADERSHIP - maybe -al Baghdadhi became radicalized in an Iraqi jail
 
It's desperation to deny that our actions have consequences.

Our dirty climate policy is what fuels global warming, and global warming is what caused the Syrian drought, and the Syrian drought is what caused the mass migration to urban centers, and that mass migration is what caused civil unrest, and that civil unrest is what caused the Civil War.

What happened in Syria is a preview of what will happen globally in just a couple decades.
food riots..perhaps..bu that is completely off tangent to "US caused Syrian civil war" There are global players involved in global warming. you are worse then simplistic here -you are off base

No, ISIS was created because of Conservative policies in Iraq that drove Ba'athists out. Those Ba'athists went to Syria and hooked up with rich Saudis and Gulf Arabs who gave them funding and weapons to create and sustain ISIS.
purging the Iraqi army of it's leadership created AQIR -NOT ISIS-
AQIR was happy to be part of al_Qaeda until Baghdadi took over following the death of al-Zarqawi .
al-Maliki is also culpable - with his mariginalization of the Sunnis in favor of the Shi'a


Yeah, isn't Qatar one of our allies? They also get a ton of funding from rich Saudis. Really, the whole Gulf collection of states are sponsors of ISIS. There's not a good one among them.
saudi used the Qatar banking system,but they are not alone in getting money to the former ISIS

No, ISIS still relies heavily on money from the Gulf States.
ISIS became self funding thru oil and kidnapping and taxes,and confiscation from takfiri

And yes, ISIS causes refugees. Like those around the Turkish border.
the fighting caused the refugees. ISIS is now remnants in the Syrian desert
 
food riots..perhaps..bu that is completely off tangent to "US caused Syrian civil war" There are global players involved in global warming. you are worse then simplistic here -you are off base

You can't go around saying we're the world's lone superpower, then deny our actions have direct consequences.
 
purging the Iraqi army of it's leadership created AQIR -NOT ISIS-

It created both. Those Ba'athists who didn't stay in Iraq went to Syria where they picked up the fight.


saudi used the Qatar banking system,but they are not alone in getting money to the former ISIS

I never said they were. I said it was all the Gulf states.


ISIS became self funding thru oil and kidnapping and taxes,and confiscation from takfiri

Became...so they didn't start out self-funding. They got that funding from someone.


the fighting caused the refugees. ISIS is now remnants in the Syrian desert

Right, the fighting that only happened because of all the things we are discussing...and seemingly all rooted in our disastrous invasion of Iraq, no?
 
It created both. Those Ba'athists who didn't stay in Iraq went to Syria where they picked up the fight.
Zawahiri ( AQ core in Pakistan) specifically criticized Baghdadi for creating the terrorist army and ISIS trying to create the caliphate. He wanted AQIR (s) to remain an insurgency.
The true 'creator ' of ISIS as an army with territorial ambitions was Baghdadi himself

Became...so they didn't start out self-funding. They got that funding from someone.
i'd have to look it up. But ISIS "lived off the land" for the most part as it grew towards territorial conquest.
It's infrastructure formalized taxes/confiscation, etc. ; a self funding caliphate

Right, the fighting that only happened because of all the things we are discussing...and seemingly all rooted in our disastrous invasion of Iraq, no?
Syria civil was gonna happen with or without the Iraq war.
the toppling of Saddam unleashed the terrorists forces -but the Syrian civil war -major players player like al-Nusra -
were simply Syrian
 
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