America is losing its religion — and the effects will be long-lasting

Dutch Uncle said:
Cypress is correct about the lineage. Not completely correct, but very close as the chart below displays:

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I doubt 95 percent of garden variety Protestant laypersons have even a rudimentary grasp on Protestant history and Protestant theology.

You can see that in this thread, where even a Protestant who paid good money to go to some little bible school was largely unaware that Calvin and Luther were foundational and/or influential theologians for all Protestant denominations. Including the Anglicans.

I feel like the Anglicans were a fairly unique, English form of Protestantism because they tried to keep the trappings and ritual of the Catholic Church somewhat intact, while still being influenced by the Protestantism of the continent from Luther and Calvin.

Most people do not have the time, interest, or inclination to learn the history of their religion or delve into it's theological roots. Soren Kierkegaard made the point that most so called Christians think they are being devout simply by going and sitting in a church one hour a week.
 
Cypress said:
Most people do not have the time, interest, or inclination to learn the history of their religion or delve into it's theological roots. Soren Kierkegaard made the point that most so called Christians think they are being devout simply by going and sitting in a church one hour a week.
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dude, your five minutes with google search engine does not make you an expert in theology......any random little bible school would have served you better.....as Soren would have said if he met you.......most so called experts think they have knowledge simply by sitting at a computer one hour a week.....
 
PostmodernProphet said:
dude, your five minutes with google search engine does not make you an expert in theology......any random little bible school would have served you better.....as Soren would have said if he met you.......most so called experts think they have knowledge simply by sitting at a computer one hour a week.....
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I have not used Google at all in this thread except for one brief and clearly cited wiki source or to cite knowledgeable experts to support and corroborate what I had already wrote myself
I read, I take classes, and write my own words except when I clearly ascribe quotes of experts and cite them
 
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Cypress said:
I doubt 95 percent of garden variety Protestant laypersons have even a rudimentary grasp on Protestant history and Protestant theology.

You can see that in this thread, where even a Protestant who paid good money to go to some little bible school was largely unaware that Calvin and Luther were foundational and/or influential theologians for all Protestant denominations. Including the Anglicans.

I feel like the Anglicans were a fairly unique, English form of Protestantism because they tried to keep the trappings and ritual of the Catholic Church somewhat intact, while still being influenced by the Protestantism of the continent from Luther and Calvin.

Most people do not have the time, interest, or inclination to learn the history of their religion or delve into it's theological roots. Soren Kierkegaard made the point that most so called Christians think they are being devout simply by going and sitting in a church one hour a week.
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History is a good teacher. A good way to find out why things are the way they are in the present is to study what happened in the past.
 
PostmodernProphet said:
dude, your five minutes with google search engine does not make you an expert in theology......any random little bible school would have served you better.....as Soren would have said if he met you.......most so called experts think they have knowledge simply by sitting at a computer one hour a week.....
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Perhaps you should spend 5 or more minutes on Google to back up your own claims. As it is, all you have is your opinion, nary a fact.
 
Cypress said:
I have not used Google at all in this thread except for one brief and clearly cited wiki source or to cite knowledgeable experts to support and corroborate what I had already wrote myself
I read, I take classes, and write my own words except when I clearly ascribe quotes of experts and cite them
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I use both Google and Wiki all the time since my favorite hobby is looking things up and proving the assholes wrong. :laugh:
 
Cypress said:
Nothing wrong with that. I noticed you actually provided evidence, while PiMP just blustered.
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Looking things up provides a two-fold benefit: #1 is self-education. #2 is proving the idiots wrong. :)

Seeing who actually backs up their opinions with fact is a great way to identify those with a higher IQ, education and/or ability to reason compared to those who can't or won't for whatever reasons. Usually lower IQ, lesser educated and/or mentally disabled to some degree.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
Looking things up provides a two-fold benefit: #1 is self-education. #2 is proving the idiots wrong. :)

Seeing who actually backs up their opinions with fact is a great way to identify those with a higher IQ, education and/or ability to reason compared to those who can't or won't for whatever reasons. Usually lower IQ, lesser educated and/or mentally disabled to some degree.
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I concur.
On topics I know very littke about, I like to read Wiki, Britannica, other expert sources.

I have basic working knowlege of Christian theology and history of Christianity, so I could readily see through the flimsy and incomplete education PiMP paid for at his little bible school.
 
Cypress said:
I have not used Google at all in this thread except for one brief and clearly cited wiki source or to cite knowledgeable experts to support and corroborate what I had already wrote myself
I read, I take classes, and write my own words except when I clearly ascribe quotes of experts and cite them
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so your ignorance precedes Google.....okay....
 
PostmodernProphet said:
unnecessary......you know your role......
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Again, you prove you aren't a Christian. Again, you prove you are more supportive of the other team since nothing in your posts gives a hint of Christianity but certainly exhibits all the vile and hatred of Satan himself.

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PostmodernProphet said:
and you silly CuNts complain about MY language......
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To wrap this up: You picked two bones of contention with me....

You were flabbergasted that I would dare say that world Protestantism, taken as a whole irrespective of denomination, were deeply influenced by the theologies of Luther and Calvin.

Here is where I made that basic, rudimentary fact of Protestant history crystal clear for you:
https://www.justplainpolitics.com/s...ts-will-be-long-lasting&p=4351197#post4351197
https://www.justplainpolitics.com/s...ts-will-be-long-lasting&p=4351557#post4351557


Next, you were incredulous that I would dare say that the theologies of Luther and Calvin were foundational or influential for all Protestants, irrespective of denomination - and you dared me to articulate them.

Here is where I enlightened your ignorance:
https://www.justplainpolitics.com/s...ts-will-be-long-lasting&p=4352781#post4352781
 
Cypress said:
You were flabbergasted that I would dare say that world Protestantism, taken as a whole irrespective of denomination, were deeply influenced by the theologies of Luther and Calvin.
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good lord, you worthless cunt, that isn't what you said......you can't even be honest about that.....

here is a link to your claim.....
Cypress said:
Protestantism traces roots and theology to Luther and Calvin. That's a fact, jack. .
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given that most of protestant denominations do not share the theology of either Luther and Calvin, and Luther and Calvin themselves have different doctrines of theology it was a stupid statement......obviously because you have done nothing except lie about what you said you realize it was stupid........unfortunately you aren't man enough to admit it....instead you pretend you said something else.....
 
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