A Win for Syria or More Than That?

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Damocles said:
Come on, Darla. That's weak. You know what I was talking about. Kerry's stupid "one week" threat was a gaffe that the State Department almost immediately began trying to walk back.

I believe he talked to Putin, I don't believe that he masterminded this with his superpowers.
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No, I didn't know that. I said I believe that Obama talked to Putin, and you said "do you?" so I thought that's what you meant. I don't believe he planned it either.
 
blackascoal said:
How else do you suggest that he removes the Al Qaeda threat from his country .. use bad language?

It's a CIVIL WAR. How many Americans died in our own CIVIL WAR .. 750,000

I'm happy that the US will not get the opportunity to attack and destroy yet another small country.

I'm sure you don't understand that.
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so the people of Syria be damned.


wow
 
Dungheap said:
I don't think it was a gaffe, but I don't think it was all a planned out game of 11-dimensional chess that worked perfectly. The US and Russians have talked about Syria dismantling its chemcial weapons for years but it has always been a non-starter. I think Kerry genuinely believed based on prior experience that Syria would never agree to it.
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That's a reasonable possibility.
 
Darla said:
No, I didn't know that. I said I believe that Obama talked to Putin, and you said "do you?" so I thought that's what you meant. I don't believe he planned it either.
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Do you believe they NEVER asked Assad to give up the chems?

really?
 
Dungheap said:
Well, it's always possible to recognize that neither the opposition nor Assad are good actors and lament the fact that millions of innocent people just want to live their lives in peace but will not have the opportunity to do that. That's an option. Cheerleading for a brutal dictator as he wages war on his own people because the US won't attack his forces is pretty fucked, in my opinion.
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That is exactly how I feel. For me it's impossible to cheer anyone on in this.
 
Assad only admitted monday he even had any.

He refused to even admit it.


That is why Kerry said it the way he did.

they had told him and told him and he was playing innocent instead of taking it seriously.


at the last moment he caved.


the threat of bombing did it
 
Dungheap said:
Well, it's always possible to recognize that neither the opposition nor Assad are good actors and lament the fact that millions of innocent people just want to live their lives in peace but will not have the opportunity to do that. That's an option. Cheerleading for a brutal dictator as he wages war on his own people because the US won't attack his forces is pretty fucked, in my opinion.
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Yatta, yatta, yatta ..

IT'S A CIVIL WAR .. AND THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE SYRIAN PEOPLE SUPPORT ASSAD.

What is it about that truth that you don't get?

The VAST majority of Libyans also backed Gaddafi .. but it seems that you democratic armchair warriors are all gung-ho for action and the slaughter of innocents now that Obama is your lord and master.
 
blackascoal said:
Yatta, yatta, yatta ..

IT'S A CIVIL WAR .. AND THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE SYRIAN PEOPLE SUPPORT ASSAD.

What is it about that truth that you don't get?

The VAST majority of Libyans also backed Gaddafi .. but it seems that you democratic armchair warriors are all gung-ho for action and the slaughter of innocents now that Obama is your lord and master.
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Well, for me, I don't support anyone lobbing missiles. Not Obama and not Assad. I think it's a terrible situation but not one we can fix. We make things worse. It's what we do. That doesn't make Assad a good guy though, IMO.
 
Darla said:
That is exactly how I feel. For me it's impossible to cheer anyone on in this.
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Millions of Libyans just wanted to live out their lives in peace as well .. then Obama and NATO happened and destroyed all hopes of that.

Were there 'good actors' in Libya?

Were there 'good actors' in Iraq?

Were there 'good actors' in Afghanistan?

Were there 'good actors' in Vietnam?

If the answer to those questions is no .. what in the hell does 'good actors' have to do with anything?
 
I will chear when this dictator who wouldn't even admit he had these weapons while he used them to kill his people is now not going to be able to kill anyone with them and NO ONE will inherit them in his absence.


Its a win for the world.

go on and hate Obama if it makes you feel all warm and cozy
 
Darla said:
Well, for me, I don't support anyone lobbing missiles. Not Obama and not Assad. I think it's a terrible situation but not one we can fix. We make things worse. It's what we do. That doesn't make Assad a good guy though, IMO.
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I've never once claimed that Assad was a good guy.

Being a good guy doesn't have shit to do with any of this.

Obama murders innocent women and children on a daily basis. Is he a 'good guy?'

Syria is and has been under attack from Al Qaeda terrorists .. and WE are on the side of Al Qaeda terrorists.

Are they good guys?

What would America do if it was under attack from a terrorist force?

Not the bullshit false flag of 9/11 .,. but from a real terrorist force on our shores?
 
blackascoal said:
Millions of Libyans just wanted to live out their lives in peace as well .. then Obama and NATO happened and destroyed all hopes of that.

Were there 'good actors' in Libya?

Were there 'good actors' in Iraq?

Were there 'good actors' in Afghanistan?

Were there 'good actors' in Vietnam?

If the answer to those questions is no .. what in the hell does 'good actors' have to do with anything?
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I am sure there are good people in all of those countries, but I don't think Assad is one of them. I don't believe Gaddafi was one of them either. For me, it's not necessary to find a hero to know that bombing and war isn't the answer. I don't need Assad to be good to not want to bomb Syria. If you remember I didn't support what Obama did in Libya either. Sometimes, all of the leaders, including ours, are assholes. IT's the people of the countries who suffer. IN fact, I'd say it's that way most times.
 
blackascoal said:
Yatta, yatta, yatta ..

IT'S A CIVIL WAR .. AND THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE SYRIAN PEOPLE SUPPORT ASSAD.

What is it about that truth that you don't get?

The VAST majority of Libyans also backed Gaddafi .. but it seems that you democratic armchair warriors are all gung-ho for action and the slaughter of innocents now that Obama is your lord and master.
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Regarding the bold, I didn't support the Libya intervention and don't support Syria intervention.

Again, what strikes me as odd about you BAC is that you are totally anti-US military action, but seemingly enthusiastically supportive of repressive regimes fighting against their own people. It's possible to support neither.
 
Darla said:
I am sure there are good people in all of those countries, but I don't think Assad is one of them. I don't believe Gaddafi was one of them either. For me, it's not necessary to find a hero to know that bombing and war isn't the answer. I don't need Assad to be good to not want to bomb Syria. If you remember I didn't support what Obama did in Libya either. Sometimes, all of the leaders, including ours, are assholes. IT's the people of the countries who suffer. IN fact, I'd say it's that way most times.
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I completely agree.

So-called 'good actors' don't have shit to do with global politics. I always start from here .. there are no good actors, only innocent people.

Gaddafi may not have been good people in western eyes, but he was to the vast majority of Libyans, and only a casual look at Libya's history demonstrates why the Libyan people supported him.

The same is true of Assad, Castro, Chavez and any other leader who does not kiss the American ass and turn over their nations resources to us.
 
If you were one of their citizens and spoke about any of these leaders the way you spoke about Obama, I'm sure you would come to quickly understand just how bad life could be for Libyans, Cubans, Venezuelans and Syrians who opposed their government.
 
Dungheap said:
Regarding the bold, I didn't support the Libya intervention and don't support Syria intervention.

Again, what strikes me as odd about you BAC is that you are totally anti-US military action, but seemingly enthusiastically supportive of repressive regimes fighting against their own people. It's possible to support neither.
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Sorry if facts confuse you .. but those aren't 'their own people' that they were/are fighting.

The US and NATO are not their people.

Al Qaeda terrorists are not their people.

I'll try this again .. what do you propose they should do when their nation is under attack from America's new friends, Al Qaeda?

Are you new to global politics?

Are American false flags to war an unfamiliar concept to you?

What I support .. and seemingly you do not .. is the will of the people .. which in neither case supports American intervention no more than the Iraqis did.
 
blackascoal said:
Sorry if facts confuse you .. but those aren't 'their own people' that they were/are fighting.

The US and NATO are not their people.

Al Qaeda terrorists are not their people.

I'll try this again .. why do you propose they should do when their nation is under attack from Ameriuca's new friends, Al Qaeda?

Are you new to global politics?

Are American false flags to war an unfamiliar concept to you?

What I support .. and seemingly you do not .. is the will of the people .. which in neither case supports American intervention no more than the Iraqis did.
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Where I'm sitting, it looks like you support dictators.
 
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