A Win for Syria or More Than That?

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Not just a win but a win, win for both Syria and Russia.

First of all a win in the sense that the US can't possibly maintain any credibility with the world if it doesn't give this war stopping initiative a chance. And a win, win because no matter how it's spun the fact is that neither Russia or Syria needs chemical weapons. Thereby giving Assad the chance to continue to pursue his war without US interference. Without US interference at least until Obama renegs on his stated reasons for going to war.

And so we are left with the big question: Will the US be denied it's war with Syria when the real reason for wanting a war was never anything to do with humanitarian concerns but was everything to do with consolidating US power within Russia's remaining sphere of influence.

Norman Podhoretz pretty well nailed it when he said that Obama had not bungled but had fulfilled his agenda. He was saying exactly what I've been saying all along: Obama found a way to prevent the country from going to war again in the ME.

The political right in the US will soon begin to prove that this they are the faction that will take the US to war. You warmongering American swine can bank on that one!
 
tinfoil said:
The new meme seems to be that Obama "talked" with Putin last week.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/09/obama-putin-syria-chemical-weapons_n_3896333.html
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown...-control-idea-favors-diplomatic-solution.html
http://www.boston.com/2013/09/09/ob...a-chem-arms/mSU4gOsL5UAJp1dA4bILKI/story.html

Was this all an act? I bet democrats will buy that.

Right wing news seems to be giving credit to Putin.
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I love how reality is dismissed as a "meme."
 
Darla said:
I accept that Obama talked to Putin.

Do you believe that Kerry's statement wasn't a gaffe, and this was all a set-up, planned by the Jedi Master? (the last part is just me having a little fun).
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Do you? The reality is the State Department started crabwalking that one back immediately.

This is like Pee-Wee Herman, "I meant to do that!"

They lucked out that Putin threw them a lifeline, Congress was not going to vote for this.
 
Damocles said:
Do you? The reality is the State Department started crabwalking that one back immediately.

This is like Pee-Wee Herman, "I meant to do that!"

They lucked out that Putin threw them a lifeline, Congress was not going to vote for this.
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The state department is claiming the President didn't talk to Putin?
 
The threat of force is what did this.

Until Monday the creep wouldn't even admit his country had chem weapons let alone AGREE to hand them over.

Kerry said what he said because it was true.

They had asked him to hand them over and he just said he cant confirm they have any.

He wouldn't admit ownership let alone give them up.


Obama stood tuff and the dictator caved at the last minute.


now for his reward Obama will be called weak on foreign policy for this win.


The right will make a HERO out of the dictator Pootin without even questioning how the fuck this piece of shit is still leading Russia and WHY he sold the weapons to them in the first place.


their hate guides their every thought
 
Damo you seriously going to claim that our government NEVER asked this dictator to give up the chem weapons?

what the fuck do you claim they said to him?
 
Darla said:
I accept that Obama talked to Putin.

Do you believe that Kerry's statement wasn't a gaffe, and this was all a set-up, planned by the Jedi Master? (the last part is just me having a little fun).
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I don't think it was a gaffe, but I don't think it was all a planned out game of 11-dimensional chess that worked perfectly. The US and Russians have talked about Syria dismantling its chemcial weapons for years but it has always been a non-starter. I think Kerry genuinely believed based on prior experience that Syria would never agree to it.
 
Darla said:
The state department is claiming the President didn't talk to Putin?
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Come on, Darla. That's weak. You know what I was talking about. Kerry's stupid "one week" threat was a gaffe that the State Department almost immediately began trying to walk back.

I believe he talked to Putin, I don't believe that he masterminded this with his superpowers.
 
monty1 said:
Not just a win but a win, win for both Syria and Russia.

First of all a win in the sense that the US can't possibly maintain any credibility with the world if it doesn't give this war stopping initiative a chance. And a win, win because no matter how it's spun the fact is that neither Russia or Syria needs chemical weapons. Thereby giving Assad the chance to continue to pursue his war without US interference. Without US interference at least until Obama renegs on his stated reasons for going to war.

And so we are left with the big question: Will the US be denied it's war with Syria when the real reason for wanting a war was never anything to do with humanitarian concerns but was everything to do with consolidating US power within Russia's remaining sphere of influence.

Norman Podhoretz pretty well nailed it when he said that Obama had not bungled but had fulfilled his agenda. He was saying exactly what I've been saying all along: Obama found a way to prevent the country from going to war again in the ME.

The political right in the US will soon begin to prove that this they are the faction that will take the US to war. You warmongering American swine can bank on that one!
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a fucking neocon pretending to be a liberal is what you are smuck
 
Don't look now but .. GAME OVER

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GAME OVER .. Russia and the Syrian people win.

PARIS/AMMAN (Reuters) - Syria accepted a Russian proposal on Tuesday to give up chemical weapons and win a reprieve from U.S. strikes, while its warplanes bombed rebel positions in Damascus for the first time since the West threatened military action.

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Syria's rebels reacted with deep dismay to the proposal, which would halt Western military action to punish President Bashar al-Assad's forces for a poison gas attack that killed hundreds of people in a Damascus suburb last month.

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While the diplomatic wrangling was under way in far-flung capitals, Assad's warplanes bombed rebellious districts of Damascus on Tuesday for the first time since the August 21 poison gas attacks. Rebels said the air strikes were a demonstration that the government now believed the West had lost its nerve.

"By sending the planes back, the regime is sending the message that it no longer feels international pressure," activist Wasim al-Ahmad said from Mouadamiya, one of the districts of the capital hit by the chemical attack.

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Assad's forces - which had been withdrawing from fixed positions and bracing for expected Western strikes - appear to have responded to the hesitation by redoubling an offensive to clear fighters from Damascus suburbs.

http://news.yahoo.com/obama-sees-possible-breakthrough-syria-weapons-proposal-010203859.html

Brilliant move that will allow for the UN report to be completed, and for Assad to continue to destroy the Al Qaeda opposition.

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I really don't understand you, BAC. Really. For an anti-war guy you seem a little too happy about Assad firing missiles in Damascus.
 
The right just wants to pretend Obama NEVER mentioned to assad that he should give up the chem weapons.


Just how dishonest is that one?


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Dungheap said:
I really don't understand you, BAC. Really. For an anti-war guy you seem a little too happy about Assad firing missiles in Damascus.
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How else do you suggest that he removes the Al Qaeda threat from his country .. use bad language?

It's a CIVIL WAR. How many Americans died in our own CIVIL WAR .. 750,000

I'm happy that the US will not get the opportunity to attack and destroy yet another small country.

I'm sure you don't understand that.
 
blackascoal said:
How else do you suggest that he removes the Al Qaeda threat from his country .. use bad language?

It's a CIVIL WAR. How many Americans died in our own CIVIL WAR .. 750,000

I'm happy that the US will not get the opportunity to attack and destroy yet another small country.

I'm sure you don't understand that.
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Well, it's always possible to recognize that neither the opposition nor Assad are good actors and lament the fact that millions of innocent people just want to live their lives in peace but will not have the opportunity to do that. That's an option. Cheerleading for a brutal dictator as he wages war on his own people because the US won't attack his forces is pretty fucked, in my opinion.
 
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