We need to nominate, then elect Herman Cain!

Alias said:
That's a good question; however, you're asking that question about the wrong person. Poet is the person you need to address. Find out what's going on before you jump in the game.
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I'm not the person to address. I'm merely responding to the hatred and bigotry here, that I found on day one. As soon as I announced that I was black, gay and liberal, the attacks started and have continued to this very day. And I'm no victim, as I have responded to your attacks , and kicked your asses all over this forum. Where is another black person, or gay person, or liberal who has been assaulted, day after day, post after post, as I have? And you have the nerve to point fingers at me? I guess you'd say Christ's crucifixion was his fault for having been born the Son of God. And that if MLK had kept his mouth shut, he might be alive today.
Darla knows what's going on, as she's a witness. You have unclean hands. And isn't that just like a bully, to point fingers, taking no responsibility. Well, I just called you out. Again.
 
bravo said:
Is that right ???

Can you give me an example of a court case in the US that used "beit din" in deciding an actual case....of is this just you overactive imagination getting the best of you ?

Considering our country is undoubtedly based on Judeo/Christian beliefs in general, there should be some case you can site....

I'd like to read something about an actual case.....waiting
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http://www.jlaw.com/Summary/bet_din.html

Read and learn.

http://www.bethdin.org/index.asp
 
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poet said:
I'm not the person to address. I'm merely responding to the hatred and bigotry here, that I found on day one. As soon as I announced that I was black, gay and liberal, the attacks started and have continued to this very day. And I'm no victim, as I have responded to your attacks , and kicked your asses all over this forum. Where is another black person, or gay person, or liberal who has been assaulted, day after day, post after post, as I have? And you have the nerve to point fingers at me? I guess you'd say Christ's crucifixion was his fault for having been born the Son of God. And that if MLK had kept his mouth shut, he might be alive today.
Darla knows what's going on, as she's a witness. You have unclean hands. And isn't that just like a bully, to point fingers, taking no responsibility. Well, I just called you out. Again.
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Seems YOU are the poster who insults and smears Black Americans who are conservative.
 
Alias said:
Scroll down to page 8 and start reading.
http://shariahinamericancourts.com/...aw-and-American-State-Courts-1.3-05202011.pdf
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So you want me to take as gospel a group like this.

"The Center sponsors "Family Security Matters." On August 3, 2007, Family Security Matters published an opinion piece by Philip Atkinson, which advocated for making George W. Bush president for life, because "the inadequacy of Democracy, rule by the majority, is undeniable." Furthermore, after giving Atkinson's interpretation of Julius Caesar's treatment of Gaul, the article called for emptying Iraq of its Arabs:

If President Bush copied Julius Caesar by ordering his army to empty Iraq of Arabs and repopulate the country with Americans, he would achieve immediate results: popularity with his military; enrichment of America by converting an Arabian Iraq into an American Iraq (therefore turning it from a liability to an asset); and boost American prestige while terrifying American enemies.[4]

The website removed all articles by Atkinson and references to the writer the next day after complaints were received, but several bloggers found similar passages in other articles by means of Google Cache.[5][6] The president of Family Security Matters told The New York Sun that she had sent the submission from Atkinson to the webmaster without reading the essay.[7]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Center_for_Security_Policy

Or how about this:

Anders Breivik, the confessed Norway right-wing terrorist who planted a bomb in Oslo that killed eight people and shot and killed 68 people (mostly teenagers) at a youth camp in July 2011, cited Gaffney and the Center for Security Policy seven times in his 1,500 page anti-Islam manifesto. [5]

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Center_for_Security_Policy

Financed by RW extremists:

"In 2009, CSP’s annual revenue was nearly $4 million, and Frank Gaffney’s annual salary was nearly $300,000 as president of the organization. Over the past decade, the Scaife foundations gave CSP nearly $3 million, the Bradley Foundation more than $800,000, the Becker foundations about $375,000, and the Anchorage and William Rosenwald funds about $437,000, with the Fairbrook Foundation contributing smaller amounts. All told, CSP received about $20 million in revenue between 2002 and 2009."[2]

And tied to Republicans in government:

"Center for Security Policy has strong ties with the Republican Party with many members serving senior posts in the Reagan administration and George W. Bush administration. Donald Rumsfeld, current Secretary of Defense under Bush, is a reciepient of the the Center's Keeper of the Flame Award. The Center is not shy in touting its strong ties with the U.S. Government." [1][2]
 
christiefan915 said:
So you want me to take as gospel a group like this.

"The Center sponsors "Family Security Matters." On August 3, 2007, Family Security Matters published an opinion piece by Philip Atkinson, which advocated for making George W. Bush president for life, because "the inadequacy of Democracy, rule by the majority, is undeniable." Furthermore, after giving Atkinson's interpretation of Julius Caesar's treatment of Gaul, the article called for emptying Iraq of its Arabs:

If President Bush copied Julius Caesar by ordering his army to empty Iraq of Arabs and repopulate the country with Americans, he would achieve immediate results: popularity with his military; enrichment of America by converting an Arabian Iraq into an American Iraq (therefore turning it from a liability to an asset); and boost American prestige while terrifying American enemies.[4]

The website removed all articles by Atkinson and references to the writer the next day after complaints were received, but several bloggers found similar passages in other articles by means of Google Cache.[5][6] The president of Family Security Matters told The New York Sun that she had sent the submission from Atkinson to the webmaster without reading the essay.[7]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Center_for_Security_Policy

Or how about this:

Anders Breivik, the confessed Norway right-wing terrorist who planted a bomb in Oslo that killed eight people and shot and killed 68 people (mostly teenagers) at a youth camp in July 2011, cited Gaffney and the Center for Security Policy seven times in his 1,500 page anti-Islam manifesto. [5]

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Center_for_Security_Policy

Financed by RW extremists:

"In 2009, CSP’s annual revenue was nearly $4 million, and Frank Gaffney’s annual salary was nearly $300,000 as president of the organization. Over the past decade, the Scaife foundations gave CSP nearly $3 million, the Bradley Foundation more than $800,000, the Becker foundations about $375,000, and the Anchorage and William Rosenwald funds about $437,000, with the Fairbrook Foundation contributing smaller amounts. All told, CSP received about $20 million in revenue between 2002 and 2009."[2]

And tied to Republicans in government:

"Center for Security Policy has strong ties with the Republican Party with many members serving senior posts in the Reagan administration and George W. Bush administration. Donald Rumsfeld, current Secretary of Defense under Bush, is a reciepient of the the Center's Keeper of the Flame Award. The Center is not shy in touting its strong ties with the U.S. Government." [1][2]
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LOL. Pitiful. Your cred is long gone.
 
christiefan915 said:
Uh, my point is that neither Shari'ah law nor Beit Din supersede American law.
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Your point is wrong. Sharia Law has been used in American courts. The fact is you do not choose to believe it. That's your perogative, and everyone can see for themselves you denial of the truth.
 
christiefan915 said:
Uh, my point is that neither Shari'ah law nor Beit Din supersede American law.
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But you just showed where Beit Din has been used in case law. If Beit Din can be used, so can Sharia. Now, I don't know the details, or if what you posted was even true, but if you were trying to find something to show where Sharia couldn't be used in deciding cases, you've failed.
 
Dixie said:
But you just showed where Beit Din has been used in case law. If Beit Din can be used, so can Sharia. Now, I don't know the details, or if what you posted was even true, but if you were trying to find something to show where Sharia couldn't be used in deciding cases, you've failed.
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Just because law is used in case law does not mean it supersedes American Law.
 
Alias said:
If it's being used then it obviously does supersede American Law. Duh!
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Wrong. Example, if a Jewish couples divorces and receives a get through the Beit Din process, they still aren't legally divorced under American law until they get a divorce through the American court.
 
Alias said:
If it's being used then it obviously does supersede American Law. Duh!
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Duh for sure. The get is religious, the divorce is legal.

In order to end a Jewish marriage, halacha (Jewish law) requires a get. Without the get (absent the death of one of them), both husband and wife may not remarry under Jewish law.
 
Dixie said:
But you just showed where Beit Din has been used in case law. If Beit Din can be used, so can Sharia. Now, I don't know the details, or if what you posted was even true, but if you were trying to find something to show where Sharia couldn't be used in deciding cases, you've failed.
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Did you read this paragraph?

"Prior to having a case heard by the Beth Din, litigants are required to enter into a binding arbitration agreement. The Beth Din conducts its proceedings in a manner that is consistent with the requirements of secular arbitration law, so that the rulings of the Beth Din are legally binding and enforceable in the secular court system."
 
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