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Judaism and Christianity do not differ on anything other then who Christ was. Islam goes off the reservation completely. I could make lists of the differences, and if you'd like I will.

wrong. They differ on many issues.

JUDAISM
- says that no human or God can ever die for the sins of others
CHRISTIANITY
- says that Jesus died for the sins of mankind

JUDAISM
- says that all humans are born neutral, and that sin is a choice.
CHRISTIANITY
- says that all humans are born with 'original sin'.


JUDAISM
- says that 'God' would never allow/enable a 'virgin birth', and most Jews believe this idea was borrowed from Greek and Egyptian religion
CHRISTIANITY
- says that Mary gave birth, though a virgin


JUDAISM
- says that a messia must do the job in one 'coming'.
CHRISTIANITY
- says that Jesus will have a 'second coming'


JUDAISM
- says that every human should speak directly to God
CHRISTIANITY
- Jesus claims in the 'new testament' that the 'only way' to God is via him


JUDAISM
- says God is one, indivisible cannot be separated into three aspects/incarnations
CHRISTIANITY
- speaks of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit


JUDAISM
- says that we are ALL equally 'God's children
CHRISTIANITY
- says that Jesus was 'god's son' above all others


JUDAISM
- has no concept of 'hell', and in fact, there is no actually Hebrew word for Hell
CHRISTIANITY
- Some Christians believe that non believers go to 'hell'. Some believe that Hell is eternal, others believe that there will be a final redemption of everyone. A very small minority of Christians believe that Jews can avoid Hell by following all of their commandments.


JUDAISM
- has no 'devil', the Jewish 'Satan' is just an ordinary angel, under God's control. There is no Hebrew word for devil (except in Modern Hebrew) and the Hebrew word for Satan is not a name: it is the word 'adversary'.
CHRISTIANITY
- describes 'Satan' as a devil and 'fallen' angel. Some Christian denominations attribute to Satan a lot of independent power, making him into an evil lesser god.

JUDAISM
- the 'messiah' will be a normal, mortal man who must fulfill all the Jewish messianic prophecies in one normal, mortal lifetime. Some Jews believe this is not meant to be an actual person, but a metaphor for a future time of peace. Other Jews believe with perfect faith that a flesh and blood messiah will come.
CHRISTIANITY
- Jesus was the 'messiah' and will fulfill the prophecies when he returns.


JUDAISM
- says that the righteous of ALL faiths will reach 'gan eden' or 'Garden of Eden'. In fact, Judaism is the only known religion in the world that teaches it's easier for non-members of the faith to attain redemption, than it is for members of the faith.
CHRISTIANITY
- Some Christians insist that only those who 'know Christ' can reach heaven. Others believe that Christ can be understood in different ways, and still bring about redemption. Some Christians do not like terms like religion and Christian because they do not believe that their faith constitutes a religion.

Clearly the two religions differ on many core beliefs. Again, remember there are many other differences; this is only a partial list.

It is, of course, true that Christianity began life as a tiny fringe sect within Judaism. But the followers of Jesus were not 'Christians' in the sense that we use that word today. Many of the Christian doctrines did not develop until much, much later, by which time Christianity was already an entirely non Jewish faith.

The final and irrevocable parting of the ways between the faiths came when Christians deified Jesus. At this point, Christianity was endorsing a belief that is blasphemy for any Jew, because in Judaism, no human can ever be 'divine' or on a par with God.

The Jewish messiah does not have a 'first' or 'second coming'. The Jewish messiah will be a normal human man. He will be born normally, will live and marry and have children probably, and he will die.

Read more: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_simi..._Christian_and_Jewish_religions#ixzz1Z4JAGobN

 

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To "follow the teachings and philosophy" of Christ, you have to believe the Bible, since that IS the teachings and philosophy. I don't understand why you idiots are trying to argue this insane point of view, what the hell is wrong with you people? There's just not anything any more simple to understand, yet you can't seem to understand it... amazing! Do you know any Muslims who don't believe in the Koran?

Let me clarify one more time... there are Christians who believe different things about what the Bible says, they have different interpretations of what's inside the Bible, but NONE of the thousands of denominations of Christians claim to NOT believe in the Bible. It is impossible to be a follower of Christ, but not follow the Word of God.

there is a VAST difference to stating 'they believe in the Bible' and 'they must believe everything written in the Bible'. The first is accurate, the second is not. It is the second that you tried to argue. That is why we said you were wrong.

 

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there is a VAST difference to stating 'they believe in the Bible' and 'they must believe everything written in the Bible'. The first is accurate, the second is not. It is the second that you tried to argue. That is why we said you were wrong.

If you don't believe everything that is written in the Bible, how can you state that you believe in the Bible? That doesn't make logical sense. It's akin to saying you believe in the Constitution, but you don't believe everything written in the Constitution! Does that make sense to you? It doesn't to me, it's a contradiction in terms.

Now.... does everyone who believes in the Bible, believe everything is literal context? Do they believe everything other Christians believe? Not at all, people believe all kinds of things about what the Bible says, and people have all kinds of interpretations of what they believe the Bible is saying. For instance, if someone supports Gay Marriage, it doesn't mean they don't believe in the Bible. They have a differing interpretation of Biblical text, but they still believe in the Bible. They believe everything that is written in the Bible, they just have a different interpretation of what is written.

As I said, of all the thousands of denomination of Christianity, not a single one professes to NOT believe in the Bible, and every word in it. Do they all have a different take on what it says? You bethcya! And maybe that's the point you are trying to make, I don't know.. but to claim some people are Christians but don't believe what's written in the Word of God, is ignorant of religion itself.

 

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ID: udaism and Christianity do not differ on anything other then who Christ was.

wrong. They differ on many issues.

Read more: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_simi..._Christian_and_Jewish_religions#ixzz1Z4JAGobN

When you were posting your list of refutations, did it not cross your mind that every single one is pertaining to Jesus and Jesus role in Christianity? That's exactly what ID said... the only difference is over who Jesus Christ was. Thank you for intricately proving her to be correct... even though it wasn't what you intended.

 

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If you don't believe everything that is written in the Bible, how can you state that you believe in the Bible? That doesn't make logical sense. It's akin to saying you believe in the Constitution, but you don't believe everything written in the Constitution! Does that make sense to you? It doesn't to me, it's a contradiction in terms.

Again.... do you believe the following?????

Deuteronomy 13:6If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers; 7Namely, of the gods of the people which are round about you, nigh unto thee, or far off from thee, from the one end of the earth even unto the other end of the earth; 8Thou shalt not consent unto him, nor hearken unto him; neither shall thine eye pity him, neither shalt thou spare, neither shalt thou conceal him: 9But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people. 10And thou shalt stone him with stones, that he die; because he hath sought to thrust thee away from the LORD thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage.

Deuteronomy 13: 13Certain men, the children of Belial, are gone out from among you, and have withdrawn the inhabitants of their city, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which ye have not known; 14Then shalt thou enquire, and make search, and ask diligently; and, behold, if it be truth, and the thing certain, that such abomination is wrought among you; 15Thou shalt surely smite the inhabitants of that city with the edge of the sword, destroying it utterly, and all that is therein, and the cattle thereof, with the edge of the sword.

Deuteronomy 17:3And hath gone and served other gods, and worshipped them, either the sun, or moon, or any of the host of heaven, which I have not commanded; 4And it be told thee, and thou hast heard of it, and enquired diligently, and, behold, it be true, and the thing certain, that such abomination is wrought in Israel: 5Then shalt thou bring forth that man or that woman, which have committed that wicked thing, unto thy gates, even that man or that woman, and shalt stone them with stones, till they die.

2 Chronicles 15:13That whosoever would not seek the LORD God of Israel should be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman.

Let me guess, now you are going to start your spinning of 'what do you mean by believe' type bullshit again? The above are passages in the Bible. The thing YOU state must be believed in its entirety. Justify the above.

Now.... does everyone who believes in the Bible, believe everything is literal context? Do they believe everything other Christians believe? Not at all, people believe all kinds of things about what the Bible says, and people have all kinds of interpretations of what they believe the Bible is saying. For instance, if someone supports Gay Marriage, it doesn't mean they don't believe in the Bible. They have a differing interpretation of Biblical text, but they still believe in the Bible. They believe everything that is written in the Bible, they just have a different interpretation of what is written.

But according to YOUR logic, if they have different interpretations then they can't possibly believe in the SAME Bible. Isn't that your logic about God/Allah? That they can't possibly be the same entity because the different groups have different beliefs/interpretations of God/Allah?

As I said, of all the thousands of denomination of Christianity, not a single one professes to NOT believe in the Bible, and every word in it. Do they all have a different take on what it says? You bethcya! And maybe that's the point you are trying to make, I don't know.. but to claim some people are Christians but don't believe what's written in the Word of God, is ignorant of religion itself.

As I stated, there is a huge difference between saying 'I believe in the Bible' and 'I believe in every single passage in the Bible'. One is a matter of faith in the general message. The other is an absolute..... again if you had stated the former as your argument, you would have had no problem with me. But you stated it in the absolute. Which is inherently incorrect.

 

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The # of people who consider themselves Christians would be drastically reduced if there was some sort of criteria that they had to believe every word in the Bible to consider themselves that...

 

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The # of people who consider themselves Christians would be drastically reduced if there was some sort of criteria that they had to believe every word in the Bible to consider themselves that...

He has spun himself in so many circles on this, I don't think even HE understands what he is saying at this point.

 

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He has spun himself in so many circles on this, I don't think even HE understands what he is saying at this point.

He never understood what he was saying. Delusions are not rational.

 

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the Palestinian government does not recognize Israel's right to exist (hamas)

Effective control of Palestine has been split in two. Hamas controls the Gaza Strip, and Fatah controls the West Bank. The person asking for statehood, Abbas, is the leader of Fatah, and does recognize Israel's right to exist.

as for Israel blowing up Palestinian homes, perhaps if the Palestinians would stop firing missiles into Israel the Israelis would stop blowing up Palestinians

Yes, we should bulldoze the homes of those who happened to live in the neighborhood of mass murderer's as well. Collective guilt and punishment is a morally bankrupt concept. It's not even practical, because it destroys your reputation and inflames moderates against you. Hitler learned this very well when he tried to employ similar tactics against conquered peoples.

about the building on Palestinian land, i agree, Israel needs to stop doing it

IMHO, the settlers should just be given residence in a new Palestinian state and perhaps Palestinian citizenship if they want to stay. They shouldn't be forcibly removed, but they should realize that their adventurism has not and will not lead to their apparent goal of annexing Palestine and removing the undesirables.

 

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Effective control of Palestine has been split in two. Hamas controls the Gaza Strip, and Fatah controls the West Bank. The person asking for statehood, Abbas, is the leader of Fatah, and does recognize Israel's right to exist.



Yes, we should bulldoze the homes of those who happened to live in the neighborhood of mass murderer's as well. Collective guilt and punishment is a morally bankrupt concept. It's not even practical, because it destroys your reputation and inflames moderates against you. Hitler learned this very well when he tried to employ similar tactics against conquered peoples.



IMHO, the settlers should just be given residence in a new Palestinian state and perhaps Palestinian citizenship if they want to stay. They shouldn't be forcibly removed, but they should realize that their adventurism has not and will not lead to their apparent goal of annexing Palestine and removing the undesirables.

Awesome! only 34 pages to get back on topic.

Wait, is Dixie done yet?

 

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As I said, of all the thousands of denomination of Christianity, not a single one professes to NOT believe in the Bible, and every word in it. Do they all have a different take on what it says? You bethcya! And maybe that's the point you are trying to make, I don't know.. but to claim some people are Christians but don't believe what's written in the Word of God, is ignorant of religion itself.

Well, UU's are completely non-dogmatic, but at this point I guess you'd classify them post-Christian. Are you saying that every single Christian denomination claims to believe in every word in the bible? That's clearly wrong, unless you're just excluding those who don't from the definition of Christianity, in which case your argument is trivially true if we accept that premise. But you're probably not going to find many people besides extreme fundamentalists who'd accept that premise.

 

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i'm a liberal democrat....is it true just because i say it?

 

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The Palestinians are less of a people because their never has been a Palestine. If there had never been an America or England, what you are saying would be accurate, but that is NOT the case. Of course Palestinians are people, they are mostly Arab people from Syria or Lebanon.

1. Palestine has never been an independent state, sure, but you don't have to have an independent state to be a peoples. You're just ignorant and blind to perspective here; the nation-state model, which you are apparently assuming to be natural, largely didn't exist until the 18th century. In the ancient world, there are plenty of peoples who simply were traded from empire to empire over the centuries. The Palestinians are one of those peoples.

The separation between nation and state is pretty much the rule rather than the exception in the ancient world. For instance, in the 11th century, if I lived in Brittany, France, I'd consider myself Breton, not French. The king of France would just be some dude my Lord was always trying to avoid (a very effective strategy for getting out of your responsibilities back then). At the time of the Revolution, a majority of "French" didn't even speak French. Nationalism was just some garbage carved up by fascists in the 19th century to pointlessly divide humanity up so that they could exploit us more effectively.

Anyway, you don't need to have ruled an independent state to be a peoples, that's ridiculous. There were plenty of nations without states and states without nations.

2. Palestinians are mostly descendants of Jewish and Christian converts to Islam who had themselves descended from people who had resided in the area from time immemorial: http://bric.postech.ac.kr/science/97now/00_10now/001030a.html

Sort of like the Turkish are genetically pretty much Greeks.

 

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Again.... do you believe the following?????



Let me guess, now you are going to start your spinning of 'what do you mean by believe' type bullshit again? The above are passages in the Bible. The thing YOU state must be believed in its entirety. Justify the above.



But according to YOUR logic, if they have different interpretations then they can't possibly believe in the SAME Bible. Isn't that your logic about God/Allah? That they can't possibly be the same entity because the different groups have different beliefs/interpretations of God/Allah?



As I stated, there is a huge difference between saying 'I believe in the Bible' and 'I believe in every single passage in the Bible'. One is a matter of faith in the general message. The other is an absolute..... again if you had stated the former as your argument, you would have had no problem with me. But you stated it in the absolute. Which is inherently incorrect.

Look, SF... I know that you REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY want me to have a theological argument with you about Christianity, and I know you REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY TRULY believe I am a Christian who just won't admit it, and you think you can continue trying your best to rope me into a theological debate, and that will be revealed... which would give you great joy and pleasure pointing out. But I am not Christian, and I am not here to debate Christian theology. If you wish to have such a debate, there are several posters here who can oblige. I'm sorry, but I can not argue Christian theology from a first-person perspective as you wish for me to, I feel I couldn't do it justice. So please, if you want to have a theological debate about Christianity, find a Christian theologist and stop trying desperately to cajole me into a debate on the subject.

Now, having said that... let me see if I can explain this to you.... Do you "believe in" Hitler and the Holocaust? If you answer yes, does that mean you "believe in" what Hitler and the Nazis did? Does the fact you believe it happened, mean you believe it was right or acceptable? You quoted verses from Deuteronomy, the Old Testament of The Bible, the old laws of Moses, before Jesus, before the Christian Reformation, before the New Testament. Do I believe this was the teaching of the Old Testament? Yes, and many other people believe that as well, it doesn't mean we believe people should live by the mandates from the Old Testament. Is that a clear enough explanation?

 

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No statehood for Palestine until they renounce and get rid of all terrorists and recognize the right of Israel to exist.

 

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I'm probably going to get groaned for this, but personally I'm kind of on the palestinian side here, after ww2 and the holocaust(which DID happen guys) we (the west) decided to dump the jews in their promised land, and we didn't think any more about it. The israelis(used here to define those people relocated to present day israel) were fine with it because they got their own country, the west was happy because it got jews out of their countries(ya we were still really anti semetic at the time) and made us feel better. And as for the arabs? Well one patch of sand is just like another and really its not that much.
We decided to dump out the arabs insert the jews and then expected everyone to get along? Seriously guys what kind of legitimacy does Israel have? The we've killed those who've come against us one? Its pretty much the only one I can see, the west should stop playing imperial powers in the middle east(we've stopped everywhere else) and let them get on with their lives, maybe then radical groups wouldn't get such a hold when they rail against the western oppressors.


And now you can flame me

 

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Look, SF... I know that you REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY want me to have a theological argument with you about Christianity, and I know you REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY TRULY believe I am a Christian who just won't admit it, and you think you can continue trying your best to rope me into a theological debate, and that will be revealed... which would give you great joy and pleasure pointing out. But I am not Christian, and I am not here to debate Christian theology. If you wish to have such a debate, there are several posters here who can oblige. I'm sorry, but I can not argue Christian theology from a first-person perspective as you wish for me to, I feel I couldn't do it justice. So please, if you want to have a theological debate about Christianity, find a Christian theologist and stop trying desperately to cajole me into a debate on the subject.

Now, having said that... let me see if I can explain this to you.... Do you "believe in" Hitler and the Holocaust? If you answer yes, does that mean you "believe in" what Hitler and the Nazis did? Does the fact you believe it happened, mean you believe it was right or acceptable? You quoted verses from Deuteronomy, the Old Testament of The Bible, the old laws of Moses, before Jesus, before the Christian Reformation, before the New Testament. Do I believe this was the teaching of the Old Testament? Yes, and many other people believe that as well, it doesn't mean we believe people should live by the mandates from the Old Testament. Is that a clear enough explanation?

Why are you so terrified to answer the question? Seems pretty simple.

And you stated you were a Christian for many years. Did you convert to something else?

 

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Look, SF... I know that you REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY want me to have a theological argument with you about Christianity, and I know you REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY TRULY believe I am a Christian who just won't admit it, and you think you can continue trying your best to rope me into a theological debate, and that will be revealed... which would give you great joy and pleasure pointing out. But I am not Christian, and I am not here to debate Christian theology. If you wish to have such a debate, there are several posters here who can oblige. I'm sorry, but I can not argue Christian theology from a first-person perspective as you wish for me to, I feel I couldn't do it justice. So please, if you want to have a theological debate about Christianity, find a Christian theologist and stop trying desperately to cajole me into a debate on the subject.

Now, having said that... let me see if I can explain this to you.... Do you "believe in" Hitler and the Holocaust? If you answer yes, does that mean you "believe in" what Hitler and the Nazis did? Does the fact you believe it happened, mean you believe it was right or acceptable? You quoted verses from Deuteronomy, the Old Testament of The Bible, the old laws of Moses, before Jesus, before the Christian Reformation, before the New Testament. Do I believe this was the teaching of the Old Testament? Yes, and many other people believe that as well, it doesn't mean we believe people should live by the mandates from the Old Testament. Is that a clear enough explanation?

So, according to you.... a REAL Christian must believe everything the bible teaches except for those passages that YOU wish to avoid. A REAL Christian must believe 'the WORD OF GOD' (as you put it) but only the 'WORD OF GOD' that you believe.

YOU keep making comments about what a REAL Christian must 'believe' and then when I counter with other passages from the Bible you run away screaming how you don't want to get into a theological debate. You are first a coward and second an idiot.