No, says a certain church that you adhere to. Not the "Christian faith."
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No, says a certain church that you adhere to. Not the "Christian faith."
They were denounced as heretics by "the church" years ago. Do you think "the church" was correct?
icedancer2theend
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Wrong again Oncie...so says the Christian Church since its beginning.
Dixie - In Memoriam
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Look... we're having a bit of a comprehension problem with you here... IF I make a statement as to what the Bible says, that doesn't mean I am making a statement that's what I believe. If I make a statement as to what Christians believe, that doesn't mean this is what I personally believe. You keep wanting to take what I am saying in the context of someone arguing FOR Christian beliefs, and I have not done that. Repeatedly, in this thread, I have clarified that mine is not a 'theological' debate, and I still maintain that. You can try and rope me into such a debate, by parsing my words or manipulating the context, but I have repeatedly told you and others, I am not here to debate Christian theology, just to set the record straight on the facts pertaining to it.
But not Christ. Again, if you put 100% faith in what "the church" says, you thought Protestants were heretics. Until "the church" said they were not.
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is someone who worships the devil a christian? why would you need to put them under scrutiny if you did not doubt they were christians?
why are so afraid of answering these two simple questions?
icedancer2theend
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Now you are talking about the break with Rome. As far as I know Rome still pronounces anathema on any non Roman Catholic. But even this fight is based upon the whole Bible, not parts of it. The argument between Rome and the Protestant church is not over rejection of the OT or the NT or the inerrancy of the bible.
Still going for the gotcha, eh?
If someone worships the devil, they're probably not a Christian. But if they claim to be, I won't say they're not. And I haven't said they're not - even though that's what you have repeatedly said that I said.
I'd love for you to find where I said they're not Christian.
Dixie - In Memoriam
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Going back to SFs questioning, which led to this whole issue... The "Word of God" pertaining to Jews being the chosen people, and the land in Israel belonging to the Jews, predates the Bible.... you understand that means, it happened before anyone wrote the Bible? This edict from God, given to Abraham, was passed down through centuries before ever being written down by men in the Bible. That doesn't mean it's true, but to try and refute it on the basis of refuting the Bible, because it was written by men, is ignorant of the origin. Are the dozens of generations who passed down the story before the Bible, wrong as well? Do you, or any of your other GODLESS followers, have ANY evidence to suggest the story isn't true? If not, shut the fuck up about it!
Yes, most threads here become stupid when Yurt trolls them and trys to make eveything into a gotcha point for himself.
Of course any long converation involving Dixie is going to appear stupid as well.
Thanks for returning to the topic though the ongoing "discussion" was quite amusing.
As to your last sentence, while I agree, the fact is that the Military-Industrial Complex of the U.S. does exert tremendous influence, and DOES NOT want peace in the middle east, or anywhere for that matter, and the strident and ignorant voices of the american south are the voices behind the Military Industrial Complex.
icedancer2theend
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The Church is Christ. The Church according to scripture. The debates that raged in the early church, were long fought creedal battles, and the creeds and confessions that define the Christian faith are steeped in scripture for their authority. Again, not bits and parts, but the whole of scripture.
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weak tapdance, very weak, even for you.
you won't say they aren't, but they probably aren't, and you want them to undergo scrutiny, but no, that is nothing like dixie saying they are not.
carry on with your dishonest tap dancing....
Again - they're probably not because, um, they worship the devil.
But if they claim they are, I won't say flat out that they're not.
So....what's the next strategy for a "gotcha" on this one?
Dixie - In Memoriam
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YES! I AM TELLING YOU THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN "BELIEVING" EVERY WORD, AND BELIEVING EVERY WORD "LITERALLY" AS IS WRITTEN. TWO COMPLETELY AND TOTALLY DIFFERENT THINGS! CAN I MAKE THIS ANY CLEARER FOR YOUR RETARDED ASS?
Actually, both Muslims and Christians believe (per their books) that Jesus was a descendant of Abraham. However, Muslims believe that Mohammed was as well, while Christians are silent on that one.
First paragraph in this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abraham
Uhm....no, it is perfectly clear that in addition to being an idiot, you are completely insane, but thanks for trying.
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The Almighty
Who cares WHEN they did? A claim is not made valid or invalid by the fact that other claims have previously been made. IT IS RELIGION you dolt. It is ALL based on FAITH.... NOT FACT.
You can say anything you want about the Bible. But you can't say that unless someone believes every word of it, they're not a Christian. Because there are lots of Christians that do not.
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The Almighty
Once again you FAIL to read what I write and just continue on with your bigotry. I have already answered WHY it makes you a bigot you fucking retard. I also have stated the ANSWER to YOUR question. YOUR question was ..... ARE ALL Muslims Bigots because of the quote you posted. I answered NO. I then explained why. Then you pretended that I hadn't answered your question, so I explained again. You again pretended that I didn't answer you. How many fucking times must I answer you?
No, I am not going to hold ALL Muslims accountable for a quote written over 1000 years ago.
To answer your NEW question.... YES, anyone who claims that anyone ALTERED God is a fucking idiot and a Bigot.
Your quote in question:
Now READ and try to COMPREHEND Yurt.
The above does NOT state that they 'altered God'.... they said they 'changed the story/wrote it down wrong'. It doesn't say that the Jews believe in a different God or that they changed the entity. It says they wrote the story wrong (and accuses them of doing so on purpose and were thus punished by God for it).
What YOU and DITZIE are saying is that the Muslims cannot possibly believe in the God of Abraham, because their STORY is different. You are claiming that God/Allah are not the same because the STORIES are different. Yet you THEN IGNORE all the differences between Christianity and Judaism and pretend that THOSE differences do NOT somehow alter God. Why? Because you are a bigot.
Bigot:
You are completely intolerant of the FACT that Muslims believe and STATE they believe in the God of Abraham. How could you be anything OTHER than a bigot?
Now, let me guess, you are going to ignore all of the above and pretend it wasn't written yet again?
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So, you believe the following?
Deuteronomy 13:6If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers; 7Namely, of the gods of the people which are round about you, nigh unto thee, or far off from thee, from the one end of the earth even unto the other end of the earth; 8Thou shalt not consent unto him, nor hearken unto him; neither shall thine eye pity him, neither shalt thou spare, neither shalt thou conceal him: 9But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people. 10And thou shalt stone him with stones, that he die; because he hath sought to thrust thee away from the LORD thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage.
Deuteronomy 13: 13Certain men, the children of Belial, are gone out from among you, and have withdrawn the inhabitants of their city, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which ye have not known; 14Then shalt thou enquire, and make search, and ask diligently; and, behold, if it be truth, and the thing certain, that such abomination is wrought among you; 15Thou shalt surely smite the inhabitants of that city with the edge of the sword, destroying it utterly, and all that is therein, and the cattle thereof, with the edge of the sword.
Deuteronomy 17:3And hath gone and served other gods, and worshipped them, either the sun, or moon, or any of the host of heaven, which I have not commanded; 4And it be told thee, and thou hast heard of it, and enquired diligently, and, behold, it be true, and the thing certain, that such abomination is wrought in Israel: 5Then shalt thou bring forth that man or that woman, which have committed that wicked thing, unto thy gates, even that man or that woman, and shalt stone them with stones, till they die.
2 Chronicles 15:13That whosoever would not seek the LORD God of Israel should be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman.