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Yurt said:
so those who worship the devil can call themselves christian? you said they deserved scrutiny.

that is exactly what dixie is doing. saying that based on their beliefs, they are not christian. you are saying the same thing, although you're tapdancing around it.
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I didn't say they couldn't call themselves Christian. I said they deserve scrutiny, because chances might be they're saying so as a joke. Because, ya know - they worship the devil & all.

I haven't said anything EXclusive. I should have known you'd hop on a quick turn of phrase to try for one of your standard gotcha's.

Look, I have a feeling you understand the vast chasm that exists between my position & that of Dix. If you don't, you're really, really stupid. And I mean that. You're just flat-out dumb.
 
Yurt said:
you just don't like it when your shit gets thrown back in your face. and you're not being honest. you can make rules on who is or is not a christian based on their belief in the devil, but dixie cannot make the same rules based on some other belief. you are dishonest because you refuse to admit this.

carry on
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Did I make a rule that someone who worships the devil CANNOT call themselves a Christian?

Yes or no.
 
Onceler said:
Did I make a rule that someone who worships the devil CANNOT call themselves a Christian?

Yes or no.
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yes you did.

are you now going to dishonestly claim that the scrutiny has nothing to do with determining whether they are christian? if you do, you're a liar:

because chances might be they're saying so as a joke. Because, ya know - they worship the devil & all.
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you want to scrutinize them to see if they are really christian or not. so yes, you are in fact saying if they worship the devil, they are not christian.

please claim that if you worship the devil you're christian and that your scrutiny is not exclusive. that would be a riot.
 
Onceler said:
Yes, you can. And there are lots of Christians who don't even use the Bible as a first source.

If you're a spiritualist, you should educate yourself more. But you're not; you're what is known as an Orthodox Christian. I respect your right to believe as you do. You should respect that in others.
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Well, we aren't talking about what I personally believe here, that's the error you keep making, you think I am defending Christianity as a Christian follower, and I am not a Christian. I am a spiritualist, and my education level is markedly higher than yours, I am sure.

I just posted verses from the Bible, which clearly point out that you have to accept the WHOLE Bible and not just parts of it, as the Word of God. Now, if you don't want to believe in the Word of God, that's fine.. you can not believe it... and if you want to still claim you are whatever... Christian or whatever... that's fine too... people often claim things that aren't so... but according to the Word of God, if you don't believe in the Bible, you can't be a Christian... furthermore, if you don't believe that Jesus was the Son of God, you can't be a Christian. You can CLAIM to be, but you can CLAIM to be a purple dinosaur... you have that right!
 
Yurt said:
yes you did.

are you now going to dishonestly claim that the scrutiny has nothing to do with determining whether they are christian? if you do, you're a liar:



you want to scrutinize them to see if they are really christian or not. so yes, you are in fact saying if they worship the devil, they are not christian.

please claim that if you worship the devil you're christian and that your scrutiny is not exclusive. that would be a riot.
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LOL

So dishonest. I did not say they could not call themselves a Christian. You're so desperate...grasping at straws. I actually feel bad for you.

I think the funniest thing about this is the fact that you ditched the lame attempt to equate equivalency as soon as I made the devil comment. Prior, you had been trying to say that my respect for the right of those who aren’t orthodox or who believe as Dixie does to call themselves Christian was “the same” as Dixie saying that they have to believe exactly as he does, or they’re not Christian. I’m sure you realize now that this is laughable, but I have to give you some big ups for sticking w/ it as long as you did.

Then the devil comment comes along, and it’s all, a ha! I’ve got him now! Turned on a dime. Even though I didn’t even say that devils worshippers couldn’t call themselves Christians.

Shows that your whole m.o. is the “gotcha,” no matter how desperate or extreme it has to be…
 
Dixie said:
Well, we aren't talking about what I personally believe here, that's the error you keep making, you think I am defending Christianity as a Christian follower, and I am not a Christian. I am a spiritualist, and my education level is markedly higher than yours, I am sure.

I just posted verses from the Bible, which clearly point out that you have to accept the WHOLE Bible and not just parts of it, as the Word of God. Now, if you don't want to believe in the Word of God, that's fine.. you can not believe it... and if you want to still claim you are whatever... Christian or whatever... that's fine too... people often claim things that aren't so... but according to the Word of God, if you don't believe in the Bible, you can't be a Christian... furthermore, if you don't believe that Jesus was the Son of God, you can't be a Christian. You can CLAIM to be, but you can CLAIM to be a purple dinosaur... you have that right!
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And who are you to proclaim what the "Word of God" is, or what text defines it? Texts were written by man.
 
Return of Dune said:
So you are a literalist, and anybody who isn't also a literalist is not a Christian? Talk about a bigot. No wonder you are such an idiot.

[h=1]What is a literalist christian?[/h]
by 5solas Member since: November 09, 2006 Total points: 1,708 (Level 3)
[h=2]Best Answer - Chosen by Voters[/h]Anyone who takes every verse in the Bible absolutely literally misses the point badly.

The Bible is indeed inerrant but God has chosen to use much symbology in His revelation to man. Good hermaneutics (proper interpretation) is important but it is not rocket science. Like most literature, it is usually quite evident when symbolism is being used.
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Where did I say anything about taking the Bible literally? That's right, pinhead... I DIDN'T! So why don't you stop telling LIES about what I've said? To "believe in" the Bible, does NOT mean "to take it literally!"
 
Onceler said:
LOL

So dishonest. I did not say they could not call themselves a Christian. You're so desperate...grasping at straws. I actually feel bad for you.

I think the funniest thing about this is the fact that you ditched the lame attempt to equate equivalency as soon as I made the devil comment. Prior, you had been trying to say that my respect for the right of those who aren’t orthodox or who believe as Dixie does to call themselves Christian was “the same” as Dixie saying that they have to believe exactly as he does, or they’re not Christian. I’m sure you realize now that this is laughable, but I have to give you some big ups for sticking w/ it as long as you did.

Then the devil comment comes along, and it’s all, a ha! I’ve got him now! Turned on a dime. Even though I didn’t even say that devils worshippers couldn’t call themselves Christians.

Shows that your whole m.o. is the “gotcha,” no matter how desperate or extreme it has to be…
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good lord you are fucking stupid. i stand by my original argument, the argument changed when you caught yourself doing exactly what you say dixie can't do. i know having fluid discussions is a difficult thing for you. your small intellect can only understand simple things, like repeated canned phrases etc.

fact is, you are intellectually dishonest on this issue. you claim one is not a christian if they worship the devil. but you claim dixie can't claim someone is not a christian for some other belief.

you wound yourself into a frenzy trying to defend the indefensible and you cornered yourself.

thanks for the laughs
 
This thread has become stupid.
So lets see what a voice of reason can do.

1. There is no deity. (Keep reading and I will explain.)
2. The concept of god or allah has been devised for two basic reasons: a) to answer questions the ancients were unable to answer, and: b) to enable society to be controlled so the ignorant masses may supply comfort to the powerful.

Any man may live by a set of rules, a philosophy, any man may discuss his philosophy with any other man. The denial of one mans philosophy by another makes neither a lesser man. One man may choose to call his philosophy god. He may choose to call it Brian or Allah or Bread and Jam, it is his choice.

We now understand more of the universe than at any time (obviously). We know the rate at which the universe is expanding and can extrapolate that both forwards and backwards. With the fantastic advances in space based telescopes we can see billions of years into the past. We no longer, as a species, need to fill the gaps in our knowledge with fiction.

It is strange, to me, that in a society so obsessed with the idea of self sufficiency, self determination and independance, we should find beliefs so illogical, so retrograde, so outdated as we do in parts of the US.

The idea of god has become redundant.

The world of Islam, on the other hand, that gave us so much a millenium ago, clings to its beliefs because there is still a remarkable degree of common ignorance. In time it too will understand that its concept of a god is also outdated and based entirely upon ignorance.

There is very little differencebetween the fundementalist christian and the fundementalist muslim. If there is a difference it is that the fundementalist christian is willfully ignorant and refuses to accept mans advances in knowledge which are so readily available to him whereas the fundementalist Muslim is truly ignorant and does not have the same access to knowledge.

It is time that mass religions were banned. It is time that the constitution of each and every nation disallows faith based groups and faith based decisions.

This thread was started to discuss the rights (and wrongs) of Palestines claim for nationhood.

There can be no logical argument against the proposal. Palestine, its history not withstanding, is a societal entity - just like America. It exists and behaves as an entity - just like America. If the people who live in America consider themselves a nation then, obviously the people of Palestine deserve the same. One thing is for sure, the strident and ignorant voices of the American south have absolutely no claim on the decision or its outcome.
 
Yurt said:
good lord you are fucking stupid. i stand by my original argument, the argument changed when you caught yourself doing exactly what you say dixie can't do. i know having fluid discussions is a difficult thing for you. your small intellect can only understand simple things, like repeated canned phrases etc.

fact is, you are intellectually dishonest on this issue. you claim one is not a christian if they worship the devil. but you claim dixie can't claim someone is not a christian for some other belief.

you wound yourself into a frenzy trying to defend the indefensible and you cornered yourself.

thanks for the laughs
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I never claimed one is "not a Christian," for anything. Earlier in the thread, I said Dixie wasn't a Christian - because he has told us repeatedly that he is not.

As expected, you have to go to extremes & make things up to make whatever point it is you're trying to make, which - as far as I can discern - is that setting a rigid set of rules by which someone can call themselves a Christian is the exact same thing as respecting someone's right to call themselves a Christian if they don't adhere to those rules.

Now, please - tell me again who is "intellectually honest." I mean, really - did you have a straight face when you wrote that?
 
Onceler said:
I never claimed one is "not a Christian," for anything. Earlier in the thread, I said Dixie wasn't a Christian - because he has told us repeatedly that he is not.

As expected, you have to go to extremes & make things up to make whatever point it is you're trying to make, which - as far as I can discern - is that setting a rigid set of rules by which someone can call themselves a Christian is the exact same thing as respecting someone's right to call themselves a Christian if they don't adhere to those rules.

Now, please - tell me again who is "intellectually honest." I mean, really - did you have a straight face when you wrote that?
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you're now going to claim that someone who worships the devil is a christian, when just a little bit ago you wanted them under scrutiny, because well, they are not sincere, because, well, they worship the devil and all.

because chances might be they're saying so as a joke. Because, ya know - they worship the devil & all.
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you're the king of back peddling.
 
Dixie said:
Where did I say anything about taking the Bible literally? That's right, pinhead... I DIDN'T! So why don't you stop telling LIES about what I've said? To "believe in" the Bible, does NOT mean "to take it literally!"
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Uhm. ... right here, idiot?

There are plenty of Christians who don't believe every single word of the Bible.

Then they aren't christians.

Are you now going to tell me that there is a difference between being a literalist and believing every word?
 
Onceler said:
There are many sects & groups under the umbrella of Christianity. If any are heretical, it's because a "church" declares them to be; not Christ or God.

Do you believe that anyone who doesn't take a literal interpretation of the OT & NT, and believe every word written, cannot be a Christian?
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There are a number of independent and denominational churches under the "Christian Umbrella" that is true- but any that stray from the basic tenets of the Christian faith are NOT true confessional Christian churches. Calling oneself a Christian, by its very name, requires adherence to specific and absolute doctrines of the faith.

If someone rejects any part of biblical doctrine they are not a Christian.
 
Yurt said:
you're now going to claim that someone who worships the devil is a christian, when just a little bit ago you wanted them under scrutiny, because well, they are not sincere, because, well, they worship the devil and all.



you're the king of back peddling.
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All you really do is lie & fabricate. It's not even really fun.

The equivalency that you've been so desperate to create does not exist. At all. As I said, you have to go to wild extremes, and make stuff up. It's a bad m.o.
 
icedancer2theend said:
There are a number of independent and denominational churches under the "Christian Umbrella" that is true- but any that stray from the basic tenets of the Christian faith are NOT true confessional Christian churches. Calling oneself a Christian, by its very name, requires adherence to specific and absolute doctrines of the faith.
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Says you. Not all Christians.
 
Onceler said:
All you really do is lie & fabricate. It's not even really fun.

The equivalency that you've been so desperate to create does not exist. At all. As I said, you have to go to wild extremes, and make stuff up. It's a bad m.o.
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is someone who worships the devil a christian? why would you need to put them under scrutiny if you did not doubt they were christians?

ooops, tough questions onceler won't answer.
 
Yurt said:
is someone who worships the devil a christian? why would you need to put them under scrutiny if you did not doubt they were christians?

ooops, tough questions onceler won't answer.
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Like I said, you have to go to extremes. And again - I didn't say they couldn't call themselves Christians.

Sorry about that. I know it really disrupts the big "gotcha" moment.
 
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