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Onceler said:
What's even more interesting is that, for years now, Dixie has claimed to be a "spiritualist," and not a Christian.

We can see the results when push comes to shove....
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Ditzie is an idiot. I wouldn't be surprised to find out that he has no clue what he actually believes. He like Yurt, are stuck trying to defend their bigotry and are therefore backing themselves further and further into the corner in their vain efforts to defend their bigoted positions.
 
TE=Superfreak;873247]Again.... you inject YOUR bigotry into the equation. I did not say ANYTHING about Mohammad. I stated YOUR bullshit about ALL of ISLAM being bigoted because of one quote written over a thousand years is just that.... BULLSHIT. You are holding every Muslim today to the wording in that one piece of the Quran. THAT is bullshit. Just as your proclamation that EVERY Muslim believes EVERY word of the Quran is just that.... BULLSHIT.
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supertweak spazzing again. what bigotry moron? of course you did not say anything about muhammad because you're full of shit. you claim that my comment - islam altered the word of god - makes me a bigot. not only is that wrong by definition of bigot, but you refuse to say muhammad is a bigot for making the same claim about jews. you are intellectually dishonest. you can't have his comment be non bigoted and my comment bigoted. they are the same comment. your idiocy takes another step off the deep end by claiming that if you merely believe that the jews altered the word of god based on muhammad's statement, then they are somehow not bigoted, despite that they believe the jews altered the word of god. so in your bizarro world, i'm a bigot because i voiced my belief just the other day, but muhammad is not a bigot for voicing the same belief about jews and any muslims who believe the jews altered god's word, are not bigots because they only believe it.

dumbest fucking logic ever.

It is not more accurate than some non-Christian stating that ALL Christians believe EVERY word of the Bible. Some do, but it is beyond ignorant to proclaim they ALL believe every word.

But I know, YOU are the one spinning here, you are trying to make others out to be as bigoted as you are. It is yet further proof of your bigotry that you try to paint over a BILLION people with one brush.
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no retard, you're the one spinning. i have said all along that it is NOT BIGOTED to claim someone altered the word of god. i gave you the definition of bigot and you still are stuck on stupid. i'm pointing out muhammad and muslims to show how dishonest you are about your claim. i don't believe they are bigoted, i believe you're a dishonest spazz that can't see the light of day.

why don't you show how my belief is bigoted by using the definition. you won't, because you can't.
 
Onceler said:
Your rules about what a Christian is, like Dixie's, are exclusive. Mine are inclusive. Man, do you get defensive.

The Bible is also very detailed about the creation of earth & the cosmos. Would you contend that anyone who believes in the Big Bang theory cannot be a Christian?
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how are my "rules" exclusive and yours inclusive? and for the second time, i did not make rules, unlike you. are you going to engage in typical onceler dishonesty now that i've shown you can't read my posts accurately?

i don't claim to say who is or is not a christian. just because i can't see how, doesn't mean i said they were not. apparently that is too complex for you to understand.
 
Yurt said:
supertweak spazzing again. what bigotry moron? of course you did not say anything about muhammad because you're full of shit. you claim that my comment - islam altered the word of god - makes me a bigot. not only is that wrong by definition of bigot, but you refuse to say muhammad is a bigot for making the same claim about jews. you are intellectually dishonest. you can't have his comment be non bigoted and my comment bigoted. they are the same comment. your idiocy takes another step off the deep end by claiming that if you merely believe that the jews altered the word of god based on muhammad's statement, then they are somehow not bigoted, despite that they believe the jews altered the word of god. so in your bizarro world, i'm a bigot because i voiced my belief just the other day, but muhammad is not a bigot for voicing the same belief about jews and any muslims who believe the jews altered god's word, are not bigots because they only believe it.
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You truly are retarded. You ASKED me if ALL of Islam is a bigot due to a quote you posted. I stated NO. They are not. Only a fucking bigot would try to project the words written over a 1000 years ago onto an entire religion and pretend that each and every one of those BILLION people held those exact words to be 100% truth. You fucking bigot. Now you are trying to spin this into 'oh, you won't call Mohammad a bigot'.

the remainder of your nonsense is just that... nonsense. Your pathetic attempts to spin by comparing your comments yesterday to comments made 1000 years ago is just that.... pathetic.

no retard, you're the one spinning. i have said all along that it is NOT BIGOTED to claim someone altered the word of god. i gave you the definition of bigot and you still are stuck on stupid. i'm pointing out muhammad and muslims to show how dishonest you are about your claim. i don't believe they are bigoted, i believe you're a dishonest spazz that can't see the light of day.

why don't you show how my belief is bigoted by using the definition. you won't, because you can't.
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Why don't you try actually reading what I have written. Because I already answered this bullshit as well. I am getting quite tired of having to explain things to you multiple times. I know you are a fucking retard, but still, it gets old if you refuse to even TRY to read what others write.
 
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only yurt is a hypocrite, but muhammad and any muslim who believes exactly like yurt (except to the jews) are not bigots

truly stupid superfreak. you could have just admitted you fucked up and been done with this. you didn't prove how i was bigoted, i gave you the definition and you still can't explain how the belief meets the definition. your refusal to hold muhammad and muslims to the same standard proves you're intellectually dishonest.

carry on.
 
Superfreak said:
Again.... the Muslims also claim that THEIR book is the word of God. Your claim is NO different than theirs. THEY are called BELIEFS for a reason. There is NO factual evidence either way. Which is why bigots like you who declare with 'certainty' that YOUR religion is the 'correct' one need to be taken out back and shot.
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But the Muslims made their claims centuries after Christianity was formed. As I said, the religion itself was created to oppose (and destroy) Christianity and Judaism, and has always held that motivation. Yes, the claims of Christians is much different, as is the history surrounding their claims. Whereas the Christians have legitimate historical basis for what they claim, the Muslims do not. The Muslims also lack credibility because they believe in Taqiyya.
 
Yurt said:
who are you to claim they are christians?
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If they call themselves Christians & believe in the teachings of Christ...why would I question that?

Inclusive vs. exclusive, Yurtsie - guess you still don't get that concept. And apparently, you have no problems w/ Dixie's proclamation above.
 
Onceler said:
If they call themselves Christians & believe in the teachings of Christ...why would I question that?

Inclusive vs. exclusive, Yurtsie - guess you still don't get that concept. And apparently, you have no problems w/ Dixie's proclamation above.
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why is it you get to say who is a christian and someone else is not allowed to say who is not?

that you don't see the hypocrisy is hilarious. that you would claim it has anything to do with inclusive vs. exclusive shows you're out of your league.
 
Yurt said:
why is it you get to say who is a christian and someone else is not allowed to say who is not?

that you don't see the hypocrisy is hilarious. that you would claim it has anything to do with inclusive vs. exclusive shows you're out of your league.
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Nah - you're an idiot. But I'll try explaining it to you. I'm not the one making the strict rules about what exactly someone has to believe in order to call themselves a "Christian." You & Dix are saying they HAVE to believe certain things, or they CANNOT be a Christian. How you don't understand the difference is beyond me. I'm not calling anyone a Christian who doesn't believe themselves to be a Christian.

But Dixie's proclamation, which you apparently have no problem with, is that you have to believe every word of the Bible - OT & NT - in order to be a "Christian." How many Christians, percentage-wise, would you guess believe every word? If they don't...are they not a Christian in your view?
 
TE=Onceler;873330]Nah - you're an idiot. But I'll try explaining it to you. I'm not the ones making the strict rules about what exactly someone has to believe in order to call themselves a "Christian." You & Dix are saying they HAVE to believe certain things, or they CANNOT be a Christian. How you don't understand the difference is beyond me. I'm not calling anyone a Christian who doesn't believe themselves to be a Christian.
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and of course you have to get dishonest again. i never said there was no difference in inclusive vs. exclusive. i claimed it is irrelevant you ignorant tool. you haven't read much of anything i said today correctly.
But Dixie's proclamation, which you apparently have no problem with, is that you have to believe every word of the Bible - OT & NT - in order to be a "Christian." How many Christians, percentage-wise, would you guess believe every word? If they don't...are they not a Christian in your view?
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i don't care about your squabble with dixie. what is laughable is that you think you can declare someone a christian, but someone else cannot declare them non christian. you're a huge moron and what is worse is that you try and justify it by babbling about inclusive vs. exclusive. both positions believe they have the right to say who someone is. you think you have the right to say this person is a christian, but you don't want that power for anyone else.

tff
 
The point, once again, flying at a very comfortable altitude above Yurt's head.

I'm consistenly amazed by your inability to grasp the simplest of concepts & distinctions...
 
Onceler said:
Nah - you're an idiot. But I'll try explaining it to you. I'm not the one making the strict rules about what exactly someone has to believe in order to call themselves a "Christian." You & Dix are saying they HAVE to believe certain things, or they CANNOT be a Christian. How you don't understand the difference is beyond me. I'm not calling anyone a Christian who doesn't believe themselves to be a Christian.

But Dixie's proclamation, which you apparently have no problem with, is that you have to believe every word of the Bible - OT & NT - in order to be a "Christian." How many Christians, percentage-wise, would you guess believe every word? If they don't...are they not a Christian in your view?
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If you don't believe in the Bible, you are not a Christian. Sorry, that's just common fucking sense.

Deuteronomy 4:2 Do not add to what I command you and do not subtract from it, but keep the commands of the LORD your God that I give you.

Deuteronomy 12:32 See that you do all I command you; do not add to it or take away from it.

Proverbs 30:6 Do not add to his words, or he will rebuke you and prove you a liar.

Rev. 22:18-19 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book: If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book. And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

You simply CAN'T believe certain PARTS of the Bible and NOT believe others!
 
Yurt said:
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it is only ok if i get to say who is a christian, not ok for dixie.
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Are you really - and I mean really - that insanely dumb?

I'm not setting restrictions. I'm not declaring anyone a Christian who doesn't declare themselves a Christian. I'm supporting their right to call themselves a Christian, even if they don't believe EXACTLY what Dixie believes.

Dixie, on the other hand, is saying this: you HAVE to believe this, or you are NOT a Christian.

Inclusive vs. exclusive. You're a complete fool if you can't understand the distinction. The fact that you're trying to equate equivalency is absurd.
 
Dixie said:
If you don't believe in the Bible, you are not a Christian. Sorry, that's just common fucking sense.

Deuteronomy 4:2 Do not add to what I command you and do not subtract from it, but keep the commands of the LORD your God that I give you.

Deuteronomy 12:32 See that you do all I command you; do not add to it or take away from it.

Proverbs 30:6 Do not add to his words, or he will rebuke you and prove you a liar.

Rev. 22:18-19 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book: If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book. And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

You simply CAN'T believe certain PARTS of the Bible and NOT believe others!
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Yes, you can. And there are lots of Christians who don't even use the Bible as a first source.

If you're a spiritualist, you should educate yourself more. But you're not; you're what is known as an Orthodox Christian. I respect your right to believe as you do. You should respect that in others.
 
Dixie said:
Then they aren't Christians.
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So you are a literalist, and anybody who isn't also a literalist is not a Christian? Talk about a bigot. No wonder you are such an idiot.

[h=1]What is a literalist christian?[/h]
by 5solas Member since: November 09, 2006 Total points: 1,708 (Level 3)
[h=2]Best Answer - Chosen by Voters[/h]Anyone who takes every verse in the Bible absolutely literally misses the point badly.

The Bible is indeed inerrant but God has chosen to use much symbology in His revelation to man. Good hermaneutics (proper interpretation) is important but it is not rocket science. Like most literature, it is usually quite evident when symbolism is being used.
 
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