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Did you see post #14?
Lowaicue
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I did not say there was. I was correcting the premise that Palestine denied Israels fundamental right to exist. They do not.
Perhaps if the west supported Palestine to the same tune they supported Israel then the 1967 borders would be a renewed possibility. We have acted shamefully.
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Hamas has been unswerving in saying that the 1967 borders are not negotiable. At least with Arafat and Fatah, they were willing to negotiate but Hamas point blank refuse to so do.
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[h=2]NYT Op-Ed by Bill Clinton [/h]
November 3, 2010
TODAY marks 15 years since an assassin’s bullet killed my friend, Yitzhak Rabin, the Israeli prime minister. Since his death, not a week has gone by that I have not missed him. I loved him and his wife, Leah, very much. On the occasion of the anniversary of his death, his yahrzeit, the world would do well to remember the lessons of his life: his vision for freedom, tolerance, cooperation, security and peace is as vital now as it was 15 years ago, when he happily spoke and sang for peace at a huge rally in Tel Aviv just before he was killed.
Rabin was utterly without pretense. When David Ben-Gurion sent him as a young man to represent Israel during armistice talks in 1949, he had never before worn a neck tie, so a friend tied it, and showed him how to loosen it so he could preserve the knot for future use. True to form, two weeks before his assassination, he arrived in Washington at a black-tie event without the black tie. We borrowed one for him, and I still smile whenever I think about straightening it for him, just as Hillary does when she remembers how he complained when she made him go out on the Truman Balcony to smoke.
The story of Yitzhak Rabin and the story of Israel are intertwined. He took up arms to defend Israel’s freedom, and laid down his life to secure Israel’s future. When he came to the White House in 1993 to sign the Declaration of Principles with the Palestinians, he was a military hero, uniquely prepared to lead his people into a new era. Before shaking the hand of Yasir Arafat, a man he had long considered his mortal foe, he spoke directly to the Palestinian people:
“Enough of blood and tears. Enough. We have no desire for revenge. We harbor no hatred toward you. We, like you, are people — people who want to build a home, to plant a tree, to love, to live side by side with you in dignity, in empathy, as human beings, as free men. We are today giving peace a chance, and saying again to you, enough. Let us pray that a day will come when we all will say, ‘Farewell to the arms.’”
A decade and a half since his death, I continue to believe that, had he lived, within three years we would have had a comprehensive agreement between the Israelis and Palestinians. To be sure, the enemies of peace would have tried to undermine it, but with Rabin’s leadership, I am confident a new era of enduring partnership and economic prosperity would have emerged.
In many ways Rabin was ahead of his time. The end of his life overlapped with the emergence of the most interdependent age in human history, the explosion of the Internet and the era of globalization. The ties that bind the Israelis and the Palestinians — in his words, two peoples “destined to live together on the same soil” — are a powerful example of the connections that tie us all together across the globe. We are linked in so many ways that we cannot get away from each other.
Therefore, each in our own way, we must all take up the cause for which Yitzhak Rabin gave his life: building a shared future in which our common humanity is more important than our interesting differences. We can all do something, in our communities or around the world, to build the positive and reduce the negative forces of interdependence.
Rabin was a hard-headed idealist. His great gift was to keep the public’s trust while taking measured risks for peace. This approach was best reflected in his own guiding principle: he would work for peace as if there were no terrorism, and fight terrorism as if there were no peace process.
If he could speak to us today, he would ask us to remember him not by mourning what might have been, but by looking clearly at the opportunities and obstacles to peace and getting on with the work at hand.
There is a real chance to finish the work he started. The parties are talking. Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has the necessary support from his people to reach an agreement. Many Israelis say they trust him to make a peace that will protect and enhance their security. Because of the terms accepted in late 2000 by Prime Minister Ehud Barak, supported in greater detail by Prime Minister Ehud Olmert, and approved by President Mahmoud Abbas and other Palestinians, everyone knows what a final agreement would look like.
The remaining issues can be resolved, and the incentives to do so are there. Israel has its best partner ever in the Palestinian government on the West Bank led by President Abbas and Prime Minister Salam Fayyad, with its proven ability to provide security and economic development. The peace alliance put together by King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia offers Israel full political recognition and the prospect of security and economic cooperation with a host of Arab and other Muslim nations in exchange for an agreement. And many Arab states are engaged in their own economic and social modernization efforts, which prove they are ready to let go of past differences and eager to reap the possibilities of cooperation with Israel.
Meanwhile, the United States government remains committed to maximizing the benefits and minimizing the risks of peace, a conviction shared and manifested by President Obama; Secretary of State Clinton; George Mitchell, the administration’s special envoy; and their colleagues.
On that shining, hopeful day in 1993, Yitzhak Rabin stood on the White House lawn and spoke like a prophet of old when he said, “We are today giving peace a chance, and saying again to you, enough.”
Let us pray on this anniversary that his service and sacrifice will be redeemed in the Holy Land and that all of us, wherever we live, whatever our capacity, will do our part to build a world where cooperation triumphs over conflict. Rabin’s spirit continues to light the path, but we must all decide to take it.
Lowaicue
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So, for peace in the ME Israel must, at least, be prepared to discuss. Intransigence on either side (or both) cannot allow progress.
Do you ever watch the 'other side' on Al Jazeera (English)?
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The maybe, just maybe; Egypt, Jordan, and Syria should have thought about this, prior to the 6 day war.
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Mr. T
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You and the rest of your liberal socialist Brown shirts have rang that bell of hate towards Jews.
And Now you dont want me to challenge your sign up sheet for murder.
You guys would fit right in with the rest of Hitlers NAZI's gasing Jews and performing scientific experiments on them.
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Brown shirts? You mean "tea baggers", don't you?
Hate of the Jews? Is that anything like the hate you have for Arabs or Muslims?
Is one better or worse than the other?
I'm prone to respecting all human life, regardless of religion, creed, race or background. Too bad that you only see the Jews as worthy of surviving. Somehow, I believe Christ, himself, would have a problem with that.
Lowaicue
英語在香港
Instead of continuing to post your revolting, hate filled, rubbish perhaps you would be better to respect the country in which you live and which allows you the freedom to be mentally deranged. Many countries would have had you locked up years ago.
Dixie - In Memoriam
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There is no such thing as "Palestinian" people, and there has never been a "Palestine." These are mostly Lebanese and Syrian MUSLIMS who are determined to not allow Israel to exist. Their leader, Arafat, was generously offered everything the "palestinians" claimed to want, and he turned it down. There have been countless treaties signed in good faith by the Israelis, only to be sucker punched with more suicide bombers and terrorist acts perpetrated on their citizens.
I think those of you who want to "side" with the "Palestinians" at this time, should be exiled from this country and stripped of your American citizenship forever.
I think those of you who want to "side" with the "Palestinians" at this time, should be exiled from this country and stripped of your American citizenship forever.
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So the 700,000 or so people who were evicted from their villages in 1948 are just a figment of our imagination? As a native American, I would have thought that you knew just a little about ethnic cleansing.
“The declaration of the State of Israel in 1948 was at the expense of ethnically cleansing 513 Palestinian villages, creating over 700,000 Palestinian refugees and expropriating their lands, homes and businesses in 78% of Palestine … There is not one single place built in this country that did not have a former (Palestinian) population.”
~General Moshe Dayan
“If I were an Arab leader, I would never sign an agreement with Israel. It is normal; we have taken their country. It is true God promised it to us, but how could that interest them? Our God is not theirs. There has been Anti-Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault ? They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?”
“We must use terror, assassination, intimidation, land confiscation, and the cutting of all social services to rid the Galilee of its Arab population.
“We must expel the Arabs and take their places.
~David Ben-Gurion
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Dixie - In Memoriam
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No, they were trespassers in a land that didn't belong to them and should have been sent home to Syria or Lebanon. And let's get something else straight, anyone other than little kids in 1948, are dead now.... there probably aren't even very many of the kids from '48 left, they've all blown themselves up! These people are radical Muslim terrorists, they are the origins of most all this radical jihadism we're currently dealing with, masquerading as some kind of legitimate 'people' and pretending to be victims. Liberal pinheads can't pass up a fucking victim, so they are all jumping on the bandwagon like a bunch of retards. These people would cut your head off in a second if they had a chance.
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If you are going to apply that logic then the US belongs to the native Americans and it should be given back. The vast majority of Jews who settled in Israel in late 1940's had absolutely no connection with it at all apart from some religious tosh about it being the Promised Land. It was the Ashkenazy Zionists that caused all the problems, Sephardic Jews and Arabs lived peaceably alongside each other for hundreds of years. Did you know that nearly a million Jews were expelled from Arab countries as a result of the creation of the Israeli state?
I notice that you studiously ignored all the quotes I provided so I will post them again.
“The declaration of the State of Israel in 1948 was at the expense of ethnically cleansing 513 Palestinian villages, creating over 700,000 Palestinian refugees and expropriating their lands, homes and businesses in 78% of Palestine … There is not one single place built in this country that did not have a former (Palestinian) population.”
~General Moshe Dayan
“If I were an Arab leader, I would never sign an agreement with Israel. It is normal; we have taken their country. It is true God promised it to us, but how could that interest them? Our God is not theirs. There has been Anti-Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault ? They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?”
“We must use terror, assassination, intimidation, land confiscation, and the cutting of all social services to rid the Galilee of its Arab population.
“We must expel the Arabs and take their places.
~David Ben-Gurion
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Dixie - In Memoriam
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I guess you forgot I'm 1/8 native American, huh?
Uhm, yeah, promised by God. It's kind of a big deal. The land belongs to the Jewish people, it was taken from them by Muslims. It has always been their people's land, it is a mandate from God, and everyone who believes in God understands this. But aside from that, the Jewish people have attempted for 70 years, to live in peace with these people, and they continue to be terrorized. Have you EVER heard of a Jewish suicide bomber in Gaza? Nope, the Jews are not the problem, the Jews are peaceful people. The so-called "Palestinians" are terrorist scum, and the Jews should have nuked them into oblivion decades ago. I would... wouldn't you? If someone blew up your kids while they were at the mall, you wouldn't go after them locked and loaded?
Lowaicue
英語在香港
so 7/8 of you is NOT native American. Arsehole. What's the rest? Innuit, Chinese, German, French, Swedish, c'mon tell us. tell us what you really are. We know you are an unthinking, unintelligent bigot so there is no need for you to repeat that.
I'll tell you what I am. I am English as far back as it is feasible to go. No Scots, No Welsh, No Irish. No red indian.
Your turn, dummy.
The rest of your post is too stupid to respond to and anyway you are so stupid you would never accept anything that wasn't racist and neo nazi and I will not stoop to that level.
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I hadn't forgotten your Native American ancestry, as the "chronology of the posts" clearly shows, I refer you to post #33
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What a great big crock of shit, no wonder you Southerners are considered so backwards if that is a majority belief down in Dixie.
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The Jews are, precisely, "the problem". The U.N., out of the clear blue sky, in response to the horror of the holocaust, decided to carve out of Palestine, an area where Palestinians have been living and thriving for a millennia, Israel, and in the process made refugees of hundreds of thousands of Palestinians. Ever since 1948, and culminating in the '67 war, Israel grew more aggressive and oppressive of the Palestinians, occupying areas once belonging to them, and creating new settlement after new settlement, in the quest to fulfill what they believe was God's promise to them...a land of their own (albeit with the help of the U.N. Charter).
The Jews, obviously, are not a peaceful people. How could they be, being so paranoid, and fearful of their neighbors on all sides, who resented their actions and their atrocities committed in response to paranoia.
You speak of the Palestinians being "terrorist scum"...well, what about Jewish aggression, which has caused the deaths and injuries of Palestinian children, women, and men?
I guess they're supposed to sit back and take it, eh? Are Jewish children more precious than Palestinian children? The land belongs to no one. No one has a deed to it. The region is sacred to at least 4 or 5 religions.