Them Texans really know how to show they care.

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I hang my hat on the truth. Where do you hang your hat?
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If there is any truth to your statement, you will post links showing liberals praising muslims preaching hate.

If not, then you are a proven liar, and lose all credibility.
 
Yurt said:
you're such a hack. bush did say they were on it. good lord, can you get facts right more than just a few times? again, bush kept us informed as best he could. he wasn't on the ground in NO, that was the mayor and it was HIS job to get word out. you're excusing away the local leaders responsibility and claiming the president should have been aware of every single detail of every minute. 24 hours....my goodness!!!! how dare he. of course you could never think that maybe he was gathering all the information possible.

further, you have no clue what he said to fema. you're making stuff up in order to defend your general and bland statement that he lacked leadership. which, if you actually read what you're saying, is that bush is responsible for the local government's failures. you keep saying he was on vacation, but yet you keep ignoring he was working with the governor to help with katrina. you're dishonest and your refusal to admit bush was actually doing what the federal government is supposed to do at that time (later it was inept and bush admitted that, unlike your beloved obama).

if you can't get your facts straight, stop posting about this subject.
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As I have said many times, your apolgism is embarassing.

Katrina was a failure of leadership on every level. Apparently, I'm the only one on the board who holds a President to a higher standard than a mayor. Nationally, very few see it as you do. It was a leadership VOID for that day+ period. It was a national disgrace.

Stop excusing him. He failed. Period.
 
Onceler said:
As I have said many times, your apolgism is embarassing.

Katrina was a failure of leadership on every level. Apparently, I'm the only one on the board who holds a President to a higher standard than a mayor. Nationally, very few see it as you do. It was a leadership VOID for that day+ period. It was a national disgrace.

Stop excusing him. He failed. Period.
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still nothing concrete. figures, your BDS extreme. it is funny how you think me admitting he screwed up means i'm apologizing for him. i know you hate it when you're proven wrong, that is why you resort to your usual boring one liners. you haven't provided a single concrete factor or link to back up your assertions.

you can cry leadership all day, but the president in the beginning did exactly what a president should do. you've lied about what he actually did. keep up the good work onceler. the tragedy was compounded greatly by local leadership, period. stop whining about bush all the time. you spend about 1% on nagin and blanco when called on it, and the rest whining about bush.
 
Onceler said:
As I have said many times, your apolgism is embarassing.

Katrina was a failure of leadership on every level. Apparently, I'm the only one on the board who holds a President to a higher standard than a mayor. Nationally, very few see it as you do. It was a leadership VOID for that day+ period. It was a national disgrace.

Stop excusing him. He failed. Period.
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Fine. The Mayor failed, the Gov failed, and Bush failed. Next.
 
Yurt said:
still nothing concrete. figures, your BDS extreme. it is funny how you think me admitting he screwed up means i'm apologizing for him. i know you hate it when you're proven wrong, that is why you resort to your usual boring one liners. you haven't provided a single concrete factor or link to back up your assertions.

you can cry leadership all day, but the president in the beginning did exactly what a president should do. you've lied about what he actually did. keep up the good work onceler. the tragedy was compounded greatly by local leadership, period. stop whining about bush all the time. you spend about 1% on nagin and blanco when called on it, and the rest whining about bush.
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I gave you concrete. It's pretty obvious you have no idea what good leadership is.

But really, I encourage you to trot out your "Bush was a good leader during Katrina" idiocy in any discussion you engage in on Bush, Katrina or that period of time. It will surely be a winner....
 
Yurt said:
so you can't answer the question because you will show once again you're intellectually dishonest hack.

lol
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:lies:

Did i say that??

Ladies and Gentlemen...the Amazing Yurskin will now read your innermost thoughts and tell you what you REALLY mean...

:lmao:

I simply said if it's that important to YOU, then by all means do some research and get back to me...LOL

Or will you be pretending to read my mind again?
 
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Onceler said:
I gave you concrete. It's pretty obvious you have no idea what good leadership is.

But really, I encourage you to trot out your "Bush was a good leader during Katrina" idiocy in any discussion you engage in on Bush, Katrina or that period of time. It will surely be a winner....
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no you haven't. you claimed he should have said the feds were on it. he actually did. you really have you BDS blinders on strong. and the 24 hour thing, pure bullshit. i've already shown you that. you want to blame bush for the local leaders mistakes. the president did exactly what a president's duties are. if the local leaders hadn't screwed up as badly as they did, there would not be nearly as many people stranded. but you want to blame bush for that. that shows you're twisted due to your extreme BDS. that period of time was chaotic, bush updated when he could. nagin was on the ground, but oh no, it was the president's job, not the leader on the actual ground.

:rolleyes:
 
Yurt said:
no you haven't. you claimed he should have said the feds were on it. he actually did. you really have you BDS blinders on strong. and the 24 hour thing, pure bullshit. i've already shown you that. you want to blame bush for the local leaders mistakes. the president did exactly what a president's duties are. if the local leaders hadn't screwed up as badly as they did, there would not be nearly as many people stranded. but you want to blame bush for that. that shows you're twisted due to your extreme BDS. that period of time was chaotic, bush updated when he could. nagin was on the ground, but oh no, it was the president's job, not the leader on the actual ground.

:rolleyes:
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You just reduced the job of President to a buck-passing bureaucrat. "Hey - it's not my job. I did what my outlined duties were."

Embarassing. Bush campaigned on being a "leaderrrrr". He wasn't. He punted.
 
Onceler said:
You just reduced the job of President to a buck-passing bureaucrat. "Hey - it's not my job. I did what my outlined duties were."

Embarassing. Bush campaigned on being a "leaderrrrr". He wasn't. He punted.
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so the president is to be on the ground where the hurricane is everytime a hurricane hits land.

wow. just wow.

see, you're the one actually passing the buck. you're completely bypassing local government and claiming bush should be in charge of everything. that is not how our government works. at that time, bush did everything he could has president. while on "vacation" he ordered federal response, declared a federal emergency. and all you do is whine about the people on who were stranded, while avoiding the truth that it was not bush's fault they were stranded. you would like to us to believe it was bush's fault, but it was not. you want to pass the buck on nagin and blanco and blame bush for something that was the local government's responsibility.

you need to take a civics course. and btw, get your facts straight and stop lying about what happened.
 
Onceler said:
???

That's a very odd thing to say. Where did I even insinuate that?
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no surprise you don't even realize what you're saying. no wonder you think people have reading comprehension issues. you've said it over and over about bush and katrina and how the president has more responsibility.

tell us, how was bush responsible for the people being stranded?
 
Yurt said:
no surprise you don't even realize what you're saying. no wonder you think people have reading comprehension issues. you've said it over and over about bush and katrina and how the president has more responsibility.

tell us, how was bush responsible for the people being stranded?
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And how does that mean that the President is supposed to be "on the ground" where the hurricane is everytime a hurricane hits land? You are an idiot of the highest order. You truly can't read, and you completely twist what people say when you realize how much of an apologist you are. In Yurtword, the President has more responsibility = the President has to be on the ground where the hurricane is. What a moron.

Bush wasn't responsible for people being stranded in the 1st place, idiot. He was responsible for the complete lack of leadership when they were stranded there for over a day though.
 
Onceler said:
And how does that mean that the President is supposed to be "on the ground" where the hurricane is everytime a hurricane hits land? You are an idiot of the highest order. You truly can't read, and you completely twist what people say when you realize how much of an apologist you are. In Yurtword, the President has more responsibility = the President has to be on the ground where the hurricane is. What a moron.

Bush wasn't responsible for people being stranded in the 1st place, idiot. He was responsible for the complete lack of leadership when they were stranded there for over a day though.
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right, because bush is responsible for everything in this country, obama and democrats are not. i get it.
 
Saturday, August 27, 2005

By 5:00 AM EDT, Hurricane Katrina reached Category 3 intensity.

At 10:00 AM EDT, officials in St. Charles Parish, Louisiana, St. Tammany Parish, and Plaquemines Parish ordered a mandatory evacuation of all of their residents. Jefferson Parish and St. Bernard Parish ordered voluntary evacuations, recommending that all residents evacuate, particularly those living in lower areas. Jefferson Parish officials did declare a mandatory evacuation for the coastal areas of Grand Isle, Crown Point, Lafitte, and Barataria. Tolls were suspended on the Lake Pontchartrain Causeway as well as the Crescent City Connection, to speed up the evacuation process.

At 5:00 PM EDT, New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin announced a state of emergency and a called for a voluntary evacuation. He added that he would stick with the state's evacuation plan and not order a mandatory evacuation until 30 hours before the expected landfall. This would allow those residents in low-lying surrounding parishes to leave first and avoid gridlocked escape routes. However, he did recommend that residents of low-lying areas of the city, such as Algiers and the 9th Ward, get a head start. Nagin said the city would open the Superdome as a shelter of last resort for evacuees with special needs. He advised anyone planning to stay there to bring their own food, drinks and other comforts such as folding chairs. "No weapons, no large items, and bring small quantities of food for three or four days, to be safe," he said.[5] The Louisiana National Guard had delivered three truckloads of water and seven truckloads of MRE's to the Superdome, enough to supply 15,000 people for three days.
Map of Louisiana parishes eligible for assistance.

Governor Blanco sends a letter to President George W. Bush asking him to declare a major disaster for the State of Louisiana, in order to release federal financial assistance.[6]

In response to Governor Blanco's request, President Bush declared a federal state of emergency in Louisiana under the authority of the Stafford Act, which provided a, "means of assistance by the Federal Government to State and local governments in carrying out their responsibilities to alleviate the suffering and damage which result from such disasters,..."[7]

The emergency declaration provided for federal assistance and funding, as well as assigned, by law, the responsibility for coordinating relief efforts with those government bodies and relief agencies which agree to operate under his advice or direction, to the FEMA federal coordinating officer (FCO).[8][dead link] It also provided for military assets and personnel to be deployed in relief and support operations, although the Posse Comitatus Act imposes strict limitations on the use of Active Duty soldiers in law enforcement. 1701 Army National Guard and 932 Air National Guard are deployed (2633 total).

That night, National Hurricane Center director Max Mayfield briefed President Bush, Governor Blanco, Governor Haley Barbour of Mississippi, and Mayor Nagin on the status of Hurricane Katrina.[4]
[edit] Sunday, August 28, 2005

Just after midnight, at 12:40 AM CDT (0540 UTC), Hurricane Katrina reached Category 4 intensity with 145 mph (233 km/h) winds. By 7:00 AM CDT (1200 UTC), it was a Category 5 storm, with maximum sustained winds of 175 mph (280 km/h), gusts up to 215 mph (344 km/h) and a central pressure of 902 mbar.

In a press conference at roughly 10:00 AM CDT (1500 UTC), Nagin declared that "a mandatory evacuation order is hereby called for all of the parish of Orleans." "We're facing the storm most of us have feared," he told the early-morning news conference, with the governor at his side. Following Nagin's speech, Governor Blanco stated that President Bush called her "just before" the press conference and said that he was "concerned about the [storm’s] impact" and asked her "to please ensure that there would be a mandatory evacuation of New Orleans."[9] Katrina was expected to make landfall overnight.[10] Shortly after the meeting, at 10:00 AM CDT (1500 UTC), the National Weather Service issued a bulletin predicting "devastating" damage.[11]

At 12:00 PM CDT (1700 UTC), the Louisiana Superdome was opened as a, "refuge of last resort," for those residents that were unable to obtain safe transport out of the city. 20,000 people entered the Dome. The Louisiana National Guard had delivered three truckloads of water and seven truckloads of MRE's to the Superdome, enough to supply 15,000 people for three days. 4444 Army National Guard and 932 Air National Guard are deployed (5,376 total).

President Bush declared a state of emergency in Alabama and Mississippi,[12][13] and a major disaster in Florida,[14] under the authority of the Stafford Act.
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yep, no leadership there, bush was just totally on vacation and clueless about katrina....nice one onceler.
 
Yurt said:
right, because bush is responsible for everything in this country, obama and democrats are not. i get it.
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Again, not what I said. And Obama? How did he get into this.

You can't read. I keep saying it, but you really can't, or just choose not to.
 
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