Are There Any American Companies Manufacturing Televisions?

[Mott the Hoople]

No, they wanted to pay wages commensurate with the education and skill set needed to do the job. With the ever advancing degree of technological productivity innovations, the jobs required less and less skill to perform.

So now these companies are creating a middle class in countries were labor is still valued appropriately for the skill set.

Yes, there are countries that abuse workers in sweat shops etc... but by and large this is not the case anymore.

Whiny union members just like to point and shout about foreign workers working for $2 an hour or day and say 'SLAVE WAGES' all the while ignoring the fact that cost of living in those countries is also far less and those 'slave wages' are creating a new middle class in those countries. A middle class that can afford to start buying beyond necessities.

Man dude you are completely fucking clueless about Unions. You think Tradesmans are non-skilled labor? You ever work with a millright or a fabricator or a mason? The whole point of a union is to negotiate a fair days wage for your labor. You think some schleep pushing a broom in a GM plant is gonna make more than a master tool and die man working in that same plant? You think he's gonna make more then a licensed master electrician? It aint the way it works pal!

You ever been in the melt shop of a steel plant during a pour? Your punk pussy unskilled ass wouldn't last a minute! You seem to have this bizarre fucking notion that only a "certain class" of people have the right to negotiate the value for the product of their work cause they have a piece of paper that says they went to college. You dont' have that first foggiest clue what being skilled means cause you have none, you've never made any fucking thing in your life and you've never done any productiave work!

You just simply don't know what the fuck you're talking about! These people who are skilled tradesman are far more skilled and educated then you are with your social science degree from what ever community college you crawled out of! I'd fucking love to see you spend a day working with these people, like I have, just to see how fucking embarrased you'd be by how little you really fucking know!

I mean saying bankers and Wall street financiers didn't drive companies over seas that unions did is about the dumbest things I've ever heard.

 

[Mott the Hoople]

[ Unions protect all their members in good standing, as far as I know. Union members are a diverse group, like any other. What do you suggest? Means testing? And what "coercion" do unions apply to "unproductive pieces of shit"? How are you defining "unproductive pieces of shit"?

I'll tell you who the unproductive pieces of shit are. It's the meally mouth paper pushers who never done any thing productive in their life who think their better than anyone else cause all they have is a piece of paper.

 

[Mott the Hoople]

How can any advanced economy compete with the wages levels in China, India and South East Asia, even if US workers were on minimum wages they would still be uncompetitive. Even China is starting to find it difficult to deal with the wage inflation and labour shortages that has been experienced in recent times.

http://www.zerohedge.com/article/wa...hina-more-provinces-plan-minimum-salary-hikes

That's exactly what Ross Perot warned this nation about back in 1992.

 

[Mott the Hoople]

No moron. Because worker protections are now in place. What benefit do unions provide that the workers themselves could not gain? You constantly clamour that the unions provide what 'the market will bare'.... but we both know that is not the case. The best workers lose due to unions. It is the unproductive pieces of shit the unions coerce and protect.

Now do go on telling us how productive you are Mr. Scientist. You don't even believe in the scientific method. You believe shouting 'consensus' is all it takes to prove a theory. You have been shown to be a complete fool for doing so. Seen the latest from CERN yet? You fucking consensus ass clown.

Believe in the scientific method? Dude, you don't even know what the fuck that is. You're right up there with Dixie in being clueless about science. You wouldn't know what a theory is if it jumped up and bit you in the ass! LOL\

The best worker lose to unions? Dude....then please explain to me why most of the best licensed and certified journeyman and master level tradesmen are union members? Hmmm? Can you explain that?

You need to go out and spend some time out in the real world working with these people instead of mouthing platitudes about shit you know NOTHING about.

I'd fucking love to stick your ass in a Steel plant and hear you say that shit. The men there would just laugh their asses off at you and then they'd say "Come here college boy, show us what you know!"....then they'd have a real good laugh!

 

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How can any advanced economy compete with the wages levels in China, India and South East Asia, even if US workers were on minimum wages they would still be uncompetitive. Even China is starting to find it difficult to deal with the wage inflation and labour shortages that has been experienced in recent times.

http://www.zerohedge.com/article/wa...hina-more-provinces-plan-minimum-salary-hikes

As long as the skill set required can be met by the lower cost workers, they should not TRY to compete. The problem with Mott and so many on the left is they are nationalists at heart. They believe in helping the poor as long as they dwell within our borders. Once outside of our borders they proclaim they want to help, but rather bitch and moan when those poor people get the unskilled jobs they think deserve $50-100k per year. what the left needs to grasp is that those unskilled workers in the US are either going to need to actually TRAIN to be a skilled worker or they are going to have to live in more cost of living friendly areas.

 

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Man dude you are completely fucking clueless about Unions. You think Tradesmans are non-skilled labor? You ever work with a millright or a fabricator or a mason? The whole point of a union is to negotiate a fair days wage for your labor. You think some schleep pushing a broom in a GM plant is gonna make more than a master tool and die man working in that same plant? You think he's gonna make more then a licensed master electrician? It aint the way it works pal!

Sorry, I forgot I was talking to an idiot. I was referring to those in the manufacturing sector in general. You know... the jobs that have gone overseas.

You ever been in the melt shop of a steel plant during a pour? Your punk pussy unskilled ass wouldn't last a minute!

I worked in a glass plant four years during college. So while not the same level of heat you are describing (at least not consistently), I do have experience working in a plant with excessive heat. I also belonged to the Teamsters for five years, so you can eat that as well. You like to call people out and proclaim what they have/have not done. It just once again proves you are a fucking idiot.

You seem to have this bizarre fucking notion that only a "certain class" of people have the right to negotiate the value for the product of their work cause they have a piece of paper that says they went to college. You dont' have that first foggiest clue what being skilled means cause you have none, you've never made any fucking thing in your life and you've never done any productiave work!

No moron, that is simply your failed attempt to again project what you want my position to be. Nothing and I do mean NOTHING is stopping them from negotiating on their own. Ask yourself this.... if unions are so great today... why is it so many have departed unions as fast as they can? Why is it that in right to work states, the workers tend to not want to be a part of the unions? But rather they bargain for wages/bene's on their OWN.

Oh and just to show how pathetic you are.....

you never dun nutin in ur life worth shit, cause I proclaims it to be so.

You just simply don't know what the fuck you're talking about! These people who are skilled tradesman are far more skilled and educated then you are with your social science degree from what ever community college you crawled out of! I'd fucking love to see you spend a day working with these people, like I have, just to see how fucking embarrased you'd be by how little you really fucking know!

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I seriously doubt you have ever worked a day in your life. You just sit in your mom's basement on the internet taking in your welfare check and food stamps and telling your mom to bring you some more pop tarts.

I mean saying bankers and Wall street financiers didn't drive companies over seas that unions did is about the dumbest things I've ever heard.

Really.... do tell us how it is that bankers and wall street drove jobs overseas. Give us some examples. Surely you can do that.

Damn... now I did it.... I asked you to back up your absurdity with facts.... time for Mott to run away again.

 

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Believe in the scientific method? Dude, you don't even know what the fuck that is. You're right up there with Dixie in being clueless about science. You wouldn't know what a theory is if it jumped up and bit you in the ass! LOL\

LOL... you are such an idiot. Unlike you, I am aware that the scientific method involves more than stomping your feet and shouting consensus. I know that the data should not be destroyed. I know that when one of the so called experts on climatology says the debate is not over because their is much to learn that only a complete fucking idiot would still be stomping his feet and declaring the debate over.

The best worker lose to unions? Dude....then please explain to me why most of the best licensed and certified journeyman and master level tradesmen are union members? Hmmm? Can you explain that?

LMAO.... you keep going to the trade unions. I was referring to the manufacturing sector specifically... you know those jobs that go overseas. Fucking idiot.

You need to go out and spend some time out in the real world working with these people instead of mouthing platitudes about shit you know NOTHING about.

You need to stop making proclamations on topics you clearly know nothing about. I have worked in a plant and I have worked as a union member. AFG was the glass plant, Unitog (since been acquired) was a uniform company I drove for as a Teamster.

I'd fucking love to stick your ass in a Steel plant and hear you say that shit. The men there would just laugh their asses off at you and then they'd say "Come here college boy, show us what you know!"....then they'd have a real good laugh!

Yes and if you put those same steel workers in a glass plant they too would have to learn what to do.

I cannot help but notice you didn't address the questions YET AGAIN..... amazing how you simply make absurd proclamations and never, not once address the questions posed to you. You fucking coward.


Again... WHAT is it that unions provide today that the workers could not gain on their own?

The BEST workers in a union DO lose... they get paid the SAME wage that the company pays the worst worker in the union. You obviously have never been in a union or you would know EXACTLY what I am talking about.

 

[Damocles]

Apparently Olevia went out of business, but Vizio still manufactures a very good LCD HDTV in the US...

http://www.amazon.com/s?ie=UTF8&x=0&ref_=nb_sb_noss&y=0&field-keywords=vizio&url=search-alias=aps

Here you can buy one if you want to keep the money in the US..

 

[Damocles]

Bankers drove manufacturing jobs overseas? No dear Mott, it was the unions. Period. They overvalued unskilled labor to the point that companies shifted production overseas. Your little rant on the financial sector doesn't change that fact.

According to every progressive out there, labor costs mean nothing and only the market can effect the choices of business... We're supposed to ignore the evidence and just "feel" it man... Just "feel"... It's those greedy guys, it can't be that our actions can effect anything, it's "them">..

Of course we're not supposed to notice that labor is both a cost and a market of its own and if the value of labor overcomes the benefit, it will effect where a company gets the labor.

 

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According to every progressive out there, labor costs mean nothing and only the market can effect the choices of business... We're supposed to ignore the evidence and just "feel" it man... Just "feel"... It's those greedy guys, it can't be that our actions can effect anything, it's "them">..

Of course we're not supposed to notice that labor is both a cost and a market of its own and if the value of labor overcomes the benefit, it will effect where a company gets the labor.

China is the biggest profiteer of U.S. debt and actively wants to see the U.S. print more dollars and sink deeper in the red. They habitually buy cheap U.S. dollars hand over fist and then invests them in Treasuries to hold down the value of the yuan currency. The result adds billions to their trade surplus, continues to keep the dollar artificially low, and sends jobs directly to China.

That’s why as the U.S. struggles with the debt crisis, cash registers are ringing all over China. The smart money is flooding into China at light speed as the dollar falls, where investors will profit not only from the 10% GDP yearly growth but also from currency appreciation and domestic spending as the dollar continues to spiral south and the U.S. debt shock continues on.

 

[Lowaicue]

How can any advanced economy compete with the wages levels in China, India and South East Asia, even if US workers were on minimum wages they would still be uncompetitive. Even China is starting to find it difficult to deal with the wage inflation and labour shortages that has been experienced in recent times.

http://www.zerohedge.com/article/wa...hina-more-provinces-plan-minimum-salary-hikes

Perhaps you don't compete ....

you USE.

America, despite the recent problems is good at oil, pharmaceuticals and food consumer products. Assuming they are still showing long term growth they should allow China to make its toys and jeans so more Americans will be released to sell oil, meds and grub. Don't enter battles you can't win. There was never a way the US could win at steel production and cars will doubtless go the same way. Small specialist manufacturers will emerge for profitable niche markets so in future American made cars might be super performance, super priced and made by small concerns in small country towns. That would be nice.
Those who think that must be a bad thing need to sit in a quiet room for a while and put on their thinking heads.
Protectionism is the sure way to disaster.

The three examples of American industry above are just that - examples.

This free advice was brought to you by Americans for Good Sense. A grass roots organisation not financed by the Cock up brothers.

 

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Perhaps you don't compete ....

you USE.

America, despite the recent problems is good at oil, pharmaceuticals and food consumer products. Assuming they are still showing long term growth they should allow China to make its toys and jeans so more Americans will be released to sell oil, meds and grub. Don't enter battles you can't win. There was never a way the US could win at steel production and cars will doubtless go the same way. Small specialist manufacturers will emerge for profitable niche markets so in future American made cars might be super performance, super priced and made by small concerns in small country towns. That would be nice.
Those who think that must be a bad thing need to sit in a quiet room for a while and put on their thinking heads.
Protectionism is the sure way to disaster.

The three examples of American industry above are just that - examples.

This free advice was brought to you by Americans for Good Sense. A grass roots organisation not financed by the Cock up brothers.

China is moving into high tech industries as well, Huawei has taken significant market share from Cisco, Ericsson and Nokia in recent years. I think that it is incredibly shortsighted to let them take over so much of the networking infrastructure in the West.

http://www.minyanville.com/business...nology-longterm-evolution/11/11/2009/id/25386