Sharp contrast between Bush handeling of Katrina v. Obama's handeling of Hurricane...

[Onceler]

didn't think you could explain or back up your claim.

Let me guess...frantic mode, since you saw you're the one who brought up Nagin again?

You should bail on this thread. You're completely reduced to faux gotchas at this point, and you know what I said about Bush's lack of leadership is 100% accurate, and actually how it is in the history books at this point.

 

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The prep in anticipation of this hurricane was spot on. And look at the area covered - many states, many local authorities to coordinate with, many millions more to evacuate or prepare. They're right...there really is no comparison to Katrina. This one was more involved.

As for what happened after the storm hit...who can forget over a full day of images of thousands of people stranded in New Orleans, in the floods...while NO leadership came from anywhere? There was a void, and a sense of chaos. Americans watching the fiasco had the same questions...what's going on? Who is in charge? Why isn't anyone helping these people?

Stark contrast, indeed....

you have repeatedly said this thread is only about bush vs. obama and nothing at all to do with nagin or blanco. explain how your second paragraph is bush's fault, specficially, the first sentence, explain how bush ALONE is responsible...the rest is just pure fluff and hyperbole.

actually onceler, i didn't bring nagin up as the topic. i asked you to explain something, and you brought nagin up in response. once again, can you explain how that is bush's fault? further, you claimed bush left vacation only a day early, link for that and you still haven't addressed how early obama left his vacation. i don't expect you to because you know you will look like a fool if you answer it.

 

[Onceler]

Well, that's the whole thing, Yurt, and I'm glad you brought it up. Nagin & the locals failed, so there was a massive leadership VOID. What happened in New Orleans was a national crisis - it was on every news channel 24x7 for over a day. People just stranded.

And Bush, who told us he was a leaderrrr, and whose minions & worshippers told us for ages how much of a leaderrr he was...hung out for an extra day on vacation, and didn't step in. That situation demanded Presidential leadership, and he failed, massively.

Stop making excuses for him. It's embarassing.

Here was my response. You clearly didn't read it - reading is a big, big issue with you. This response is not about Roy Nagin. It's about how Bush did not step in when leadership was needed, in a big way. You're just too focused on your faux gotchas (and, btw, it was pretty embarassing how much effort you had put into that, finding all of the quotes from me about the thread being about Presidents).

As for Bush's vacation - again, please read. Bush delayed cutting his vacation short. That's the contrast - Obama cut it short proactively; Bush waited until the entire country spent a day or so wondering what anyone was doing about all of the stranded people.

Now please - feel free to ignore the response above again, as well as what I just wrote, and find some word or 2 that you can parse endlessly to try to distract from your humiliating defense of Bush on this.

 

[Onceler]

"you claimed bush left vacation only a day early"

I didn't, btw. That's the 4th time you fabricated something I said on this thread. At what point do you actually apologize for that?

 

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As for what happened after the storm hit...who can forget over a full day of images of thousands of people stranded in New Orleans, in the floods

instead of backing up your claim, you ad hom. got it.

i'm not surprised you won't state how short obama cut his vacation. it is a complete lie to claim obama's was proactive and bush's decision was not. if he cut his vacation short, then that is proactive. in reality, bush cut his vacation short earlier than obama. but you don't want to talk about that because then you have to admit what a partisan hack you are for bashing bush cutting short his vacation.

you will of course continue to not back up your claim and you will of course continue to ignore how short obama cut his vacation and then you will stick with your usual canned ad homs.

 

[Onceler]

instead of backing up your claim, you ad hom. got it.

i'm not surprised you won't state how short obama cut his vacation. it is a complete lie to claim obama's was proactive and bush's decision was not. if he cut his vacation short, then that is proactive. in reality, bush cut his vacation short earlier than obama. but you don't want to talk about that because then you have to admit what a partisan hack you are for bashing bush cutting short his vacation.

you will of course continue to not back up your claim and you will of course continue to ignore how short obama cut his vacation and then you will stick with your usual canned ad homs.

I think the reading thing is getting you again. I am not saying Bush was responsible for people being stranded initially. For not showing leadership & taking more immediate action while America watched everyone stranded for over a day? That's on him, yes. He WAITED to cut his vacation short, while people were clearly struggling.

How is this so impossibly hard for you? It's mind boggling...

 

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"you claimed bush left vacation only a day early"

I didn't, btw. That's the 4th time you fabricated something I said on this thread. At what point do you actually apologize for that?

hung out an extra day is what you said. and you still haven't provided proof that. i have not fabricated anything you said, i was merely wrong about something you said yesterday. when have you ever apologized for lying or wrong? oh yeah....never.

bush canceled is working vacation two days early. tell me, how many days did obama cut short his vacation?

 

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The prep in anticipation of this hurricane was spot on. And look at the area covered - many states, many local authorities to coordinate with, many millions more to evacuate or prepare. They're right...there really is no comparison to Katrina. This one was more involved.

As for what happened after the storm hit...who can forget over a full day of images of thousands of people stranded in New Orleans, in the floods...while NO leadership came from anywhere? There was a void, and a sense of chaos. Americans watching the fiasco had the same questions...what's going on? Who is in charge? Why isn't anyone helping these people?

Stark contrast, indeed....

I think the reading thing is getting you again. I am not saying Bush was responsible for people being stranded initially. For not showing leadership & taking more immediate action while America watched everyone stranded for over a day? That's on him, yes. He WAITED to cut his vacation short, while people were clearly struggling.

How is this so impossibly hard for you? It's mind boggling...

so your claim now is that you were not talking about bush, yet you mention how the contrast is stark. your claim now is that the contrast was between nagin and obama? you just said you didn't bring up nagin, now you're saying you're not talking about bush. you are without a doubt lying.

you just backed yourself into a corner and instead of admitting you were wrong, you have to lie in order to save face.

 

[Onceler]

hung out an extra day is what you said. and you still haven't provided proof that. i have not fabricated anything you said, i was merely wrong about something you said yesterday. when have you ever apologized for lying or wrong? oh yeah....never.

bush canceled is working vacation two days early. tell me, how many days did obama cut short his vacation?

Hey, dumbo - he "hung out an extra day" from when he SHOULD have cut his vacation short (again, as a leaderrrr). I have no idea what the "official schedule" showed as far as the exact day his vacation was supposed to end. He hung out for a full day while people were stranded in the streets, being shown 24x7 on every news channel.

You have fabricated 4 things I supposedly "said" on this thread. You're a disaster when it comes to reading, or just incapable of telling the truth.

 

[Onceler]

so your claim now is that you were not talking about bush, yet you mention how the contrast is stark. your claim now is that the contrast was between nagin and obama? you just said you didn't bring up nagin, now you're saying you're not talking about bush. you are without a doubt lying.

you just backed yourself into a corner and instead of admitting you were wrong, you have to lie in order to save face.

Good God - please READ. Just READ. Nowehere in this response:

"The prep in anticipation of this hurricane was spot on. And look at the area covered - many states, many local authorities to coordinate with, many millions more to evacuate or prepare. They're right...there really is no comparison to Katrina. This one was more involved.

As for what happened after the storm hit...who can forget over a full day of images of thousands of people stranded in New Orleans, in the floods...while NO leadership came from anywhere? There was a void, and a sense of chaos. Americans watching the fiasco had the same questions...what's going on? Who is in charge? Why isn't anyone helping these people?

Stark contrast, indeed...."

Am I saying either Bush OR Nagin was responsible for people stranded in the streets right after the storm hit. But, Bush is responsible for the lack of leadership when it was clear that people were stranded there and no one was doing anything about it. Thus, my descriptions of "while", "void" and "sense of chaos."

You CANNOT READ. I'm tired of explaining this to you. Your whole "gotcha," which has been such a sidetrack, is completely BS. What a fail....

 

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obama did not cut short his vacation until after irene made landfall and was causing damage. obama cut short his vacation at 11pm on 8/26

so, if you're going to claim bush hung out for an extra day, then you must also admit obama hung out for an extra day.

oooops

 

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Good God - please READ. Just READ. Nowehere in this response:

"The prep in anticipation of this hurricane was spot on. And look at the area covered - many states, many local authorities to coordinate with, many millions more to evacuate or prepare. They're right...there really is no comparison to Katrina. This one was more involved.

As for what happened after the storm hit...who can forget over a full day of images of thousands of people stranded in New Orleans, in the floods...while NO leadership came from anywhere? There was a void, and a sense of chaos. Americans watching the fiasco had the same questions...what's going on? Who is in charge? Why isn't anyone helping these people?

Stark contrast, indeed...."

Am I saying either Bush OR Nagin was responsible for people stranded in the streets right after the storm hit. But, Bush is responsible for the lack of leadership when it was clear that people were stranded there and no one was doing anything about it. Thus, my descriptions of "while", "void" and "sense of chaos."

You CANNOT READ. I'm tired of explaining this to you. Your whole "gotcha," which has been such a sidetrack, is completely BS. What a fail....

answer the question:

who are you contrasting?

 

[Onceler]

obama did not cut short his vacation until after irene made landfall and was causing damage. obama cut short his vacation at 11pm on 8/26

so, if you're going to claim bush hung out for an extra day, then you must also admit obama hung out for an extra day.

oooops

Parser extraordinaire. There should be some sort of board prize for this.

Bush watched for a full day while people were stranded in the streets in a leaderless quagmire. How much clearer can I be?

Sorry, but Obama proactively cut his vacation short, prior to some of the worst aspects of anticipated forecasts. There weren't even people in the street yet.
There is a no comparison.

 

[Onceler]

answer the question:

who are you contrasting?

Bush & Obama, ya idjit. How stupid do you feel now? I hope very, because you just wasted a ton of my time.

Arse....

 

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Bush & Obama, ya idjit. How stupid do you feel now? I hope very, because you just wasted a ton of my time.

Arse....

yet you claim bush wasn't responsible for people being standed then. how then can it be a stark contrast? if it wasn't bush, who were you talking about? you claimed you didn't bring nagin up.

ooops

 

[Onceler]

I was wrong, btw - I can admit it. You weren't doing your 'frantic thing' before...you simply can't read. I tend to forget that.

 

[Onceler]

yet you claim bush wasn't responsible for people being standed then. how then can it be a stark contrast? if it wasn't bush, who were you talking about? you claimed you didn't bring nagin up.

ooops

Hey, dumbo....I am TALKING ABOUT THE LEADERSHIP. Bush was SLOW TO RESPOND, when people were stranded. I can't believe you read that as me thinking that Bush was directly responsible for flooding & people being stranded initially.

This is amazing. It's like talking to someone in pre-school.

 

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Parser extraordinaire. There should be some sort of board prize for this.

Bush watched for a full day while people were stranded in the streets in a leaderless quagmire. How much clearer can I be?

Sorry, but Obama proactively cut his vacation short, prior to some of the worst aspects of anticipated forecasts. There weren't even people in the street yet.
There is a no comparison.

you without a doubt the biggest hack obama apologist alive. they both cut short their vacations AFTER the hurricane made landfall and caused damage. so it is a complete lie to claim obama was proactive and bush was not.

you are truly pathetic.

 

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Not a peep about TS Allison and the unprecedented damage she caused...LOL!

And was Irene a Cat 3 storm just before she hit NYC? Odd that you don't want to discuss the facts...

You can't read, Katrina was a Cat 5, but Irene was not a Cat 3 just before she hit New York.. That ignores the fact that the eye fell apart 2 days before and the storm was consistently downgraded. Pay attention.

Just like Damo to duck the facts when those facts show he's wrong...

Oh, andbtw...I call bullshit until you can provide some NWS numbers to back up your absurd claim regarding winds in Eastern Colorado.

I live here, I'm reporting it. Call "bs" all you want, I don't care. I just know that if I get a roof with less than a 125 MPH rating I can't get insurance coverage. Let that tell you what you want, I don't care anymore. The argument that Tropical Storms are the same thing is just stupid. If it were a cat 3 when it hit, the damage may have given FEMA a test like Katrina, but it wasn't.

 

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Hey, dumbo....I am TALKING ABOUT THE LEADERSHIP. Bush was SLOW TO RESPOND, when people were stranded. I can't believe you read that as me thinking that Bush was directly responsible for flooding & people being stranded initially.

This is amazing. It's like talking to someone in pre-school.

you said bush was not responsible for the highlighted sentence, now you're mincing words and claiming he is because he lacked leadership.

again, WHO were you contrasting? if bush was not responsible, then who were you contrasting? who was responsible for the people being stranded?

As for what happened after the storm hit...who can forget over a full day of images of thousands of people stranded in New Orleans, in the floods

you've dishonestly danced around this, but that dance is over. answer the question, was bush responsible, yes or no. if not, then WHO is responsible?