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your OP claims he did not cut his vacation short. is that accurate?
Sharp contrast between Bush handeling of Katrina v. Obama's handeling of Hurricane...
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your OP claims he did not cut his vacation short. is that accurate?
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you heard here folks...according to the libbies here katrina and irene are comparable
So, what have we concluded from all of this?
a) ODS afflicts the victim in such a way as to make it impossible for them to give Obama credit in any way, at any time
b) Obama & FEMA did in fact respond to HURRICANE Irene in a much better & more effective fashion than Bush responded to Katrina
c) Conservatives are okay with this legacy for Bush: "Hey, at least he wasn't any worse than Roy Nagin"
d) Yurt will routinely fabricate things that other posters "say"
e) SF thinks that the weathermen around the country are controlled by Obama
F) Damo is fairly adament that what we experienced over the weekend was just a bit of a drizzle
Good thread...
a) ODS afflicts the victim in such a way as to make it impossible for them to give Obama credit in any way, at any time
b) Obama & FEMA did in fact respond to HURRICANE Irene in a much better & more effective fashion than Bush responded to Katrina
c) Conservatives are okay with this legacy for Bush: "Hey, at least he wasn't any worse than Roy Nagin"
d) Yurt will routinely fabricate things that other posters "say"
e) SF thinks that the weathermen around the country are controlled by Obama
F) Damo is fairly adament that what we experienced over the weekend was just a bit of a drizzle
Good thread...
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Guns Guns Guns
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Don't forget this closely-related issue: Obama threatening to take old people's money away when it was never even an option for him.
brazenhussy
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LOL You should do a wrap-up on every thread. That was fabulous.
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the liberals in this thread would compare a cessna 152 flying into a building to 9/11. if you mention obama negatively at any time, it is ODS. you can, however, talk negatively about bush or any other rep at any time and it is not a syndrome. obama can do wrong, bush can never do right. bush is responsible for everything, obama is not responsible for anything, unless it is good. repeating lies about katrina over and over just might convince an ignorant person to our liberal cause.
zappasguitar
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Yeah...a "massive difference" between tropical storms and hurricanes...exactly 1 MPH. O-N-E.
Pretty dang massive...
I pointed out that both produce damaging winds...
You ignored it.
I pointed out that both produce storm surge...
You ignored that as well.
I pointed out that both cause property damage...
You ignored this also.
I pointed out that both can cause loss of life...
You...well, we get the message.
I won't even go into your ridiculous claim that you get maximum sustained winds of 73 mph DAILY on the plains...please!
Tropical Storms can do unbelievable damage...as much as any Hurricane.
If you doubt, I suggest you go look up some details about Tropical Storm Allison that hit Houston a few years back...massive flooding..hundreds of thousands without power...one of the most advanced hospital complexes in the world standing useless, it's bottom three floors completely underwater...tell me again how tropical storms aren't anything like hurricanes will ya?
I know this will probably get ignored also...and I'll get treated to yet another multi paragraph dissertation on the difference between stinkweeds and roses but in the end, watching how far you're willing to reach to make Obama look bad is just too much fun!
The prep in anticipation of this hurricane was spot on. And look at the area covered - many states, many local authorities to coordinate with, many millions more to evacuate or prepare. They're right...there really is no comparison to Katrina. This one was more involved.
As for what happened after the storm hit...who can forget over a full day of images of thousands of people stranded in New Orleans, in the floods...while NO leadership came from anywhere? There was a void, and a sense of chaos. Americans watching the fiasco had the same questions...what's going on? Who is in charge? Why isn't anyone helping these people?
Stark contrast, indeed....
As for what happened after the storm hit...who can forget over a full day of images of thousands of people stranded in New Orleans, in the floods...while NO leadership came from anywhere? There was a void, and a sense of chaos. Americans watching the fiasco had the same questions...what's going on? Who is in charge? Why isn't anyone helping these people?
Stark contrast, indeed....
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Since Irene wasn't downgraded to a tropical storm until after it hit NY, what is this shit about it not being a hurricane?
If Obama cured cancer, pissed gasoline and shit solid gold bricks the GOP hacks would still carp.
If Obama cured cancer, pissed gasoline and shit solid gold bricks the GOP hacks would still carp.
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you have repeatedly said this thread is only about bush vs. obama and nothing at all to do with nagin or blanco. explain how your second paragraph is bush's fault, specficially, the first sentence, explain how bush ALONE is responsible...the rest is just pure fluff and hyperbole.
Well, that's the whole thing, Yurt, and I'm glad you brought it up. Nagin & the locals failed, so there was a massive leadership VOID. What happened in New Orleans was a national crisis - it was on every news channel 24x7 for over a day. People just stranded.
And Bush, who told us he was a leaderrrr, and whose minions & worshippers told us for ages how much of a leaderrr he was...hung out for an extra day on vacation, and didn't step in. That situation demanded Presidential leadership, and he failed, massively.
Stop making excuses for him. It's embarassing.
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you've gone from telling people to start new threads about anyone other than bush....to....well, yeah, we have to discuss nagin. you're finally catching on.
and you proved once again how intellectually dishonest you are. it is bad for anyone you don't agree with to talk about anyone but bush and obama, but you can talk about nagin all you want.
hung out for an extra day? you are seriously deluded. tell me, by how many days did obama cut short his vacation for irene?
i have not made a single excuse for bush. you just hate people pointing out facts and showing that you're full of meadowmuffins. it makes you angry.
What an absurd response. How did anything I said contradict the thread being about 2 Presidents? There was a leadership void during Katrina. This highlighted Bush's failure to step up - in his role as national leader.
Why is that so hard for you? So intent on the gotcha, that you easily miss the bigger picture, and the main point. You're truly dense.
Why is that so hard for you? So intent on the gotcha, that you easily miss the bigger picture, and the main point. You're truly dense.
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oh look, multiple responses, according to you this means i really scored and got under your skin.
actually, YOU brought up nagin this time, i asked a question and YOU brought nagin up. you can't deny that, so don't bother lying again about it.
funny how you were so keen to keep this focused on bush, and now, when we really get into the details, you can't help but talk about nagin. it is because you lied about bush. that is why you refuse to say who is responsible for:
you tried to claim this was only bush's fault, now, you have to admit that it is not bush's fault. poor onceler, stuck in his ways.
One produces less damaging winds, can you tell me which it is? Can you tell me the difference between a Cat 3 Hurricane and the (barely) tropical storm that hit Virginia? Was the difference massive? And no it wasn't 1 MPH... Not even close. And yes, we have gusts daily that are in that range, usually at the end of the afternoon but during the spring/fall they'll last all day like that.
Yeah, stinkweeds and roses dude. You keep telling yourself that the two are comparable, it might even convince you. However most of us without OWS (Obama Worship Syndrome) can tell there is a difference between the two storms compared in the OP of this thread. Shoot, even the thread creator knows there is a difference.
Again, FEMA performed better during this storm than Katrina, but the comparison is simply incredible. FEMA hasn't, and I hope they never do, had a test during this Administration that was anything at all like Katrina.
We'll sum up:
1. Onceler sees no difference between a cat 5 hurricane bearing down on New Orleans that was downgraded to Cat 3 just before it hit, and a Cat 1 that is downgraded to a Tropical Storm before it hits.
2. Those with OWS will say anything to try to tell us that Obama is marginally better than Bush, which I believe is an extremely low bar.
3. Those with OWS believe saying ODS makes them appear superior.
4. Thankfully GWB isn't running in the next election, the war of Bush II and Bush III is officially over. Bush III will end his political career in '12...
And finally, you have a very nice wife who will pretend to like stinkweed.
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The two situations are impossible to compare or contrast. Yes, Obama was more visibly aware of the progress of the storm. Yes, emergency agencies were better alerted. Good for them.
However, the proof of the pudding is how they actually act in the face of the devastation left behind. There is no way at all to tell for sure if the preparations indicated by FEMA under Obama would have been adequate to the levels of damage perpetrated by Katrina. The comparative damage left behind by Irene is a drop in the bucket compared to what Katrina left behind. Frankly, I doubt ANYONE could have actually handled the devastation left by Katrina, considering how badly the local government fucked up the preparations for the storm. The sheer numbers of people affected would have - and did - overwhelm the emergency services. And had Irene left that level of destruction behind, the current batch of emergency services would also be overwhelmed.
Conversely, even a horse breeder could probably have handled what Irene DID leave behind, especially considering the states managed to react well enough that need for federal assistance was minimized.
Speaking of which, let's not ignore the differences in the way the state and local governments handled the situation, both prior to, during, and after Irene compared to Katrina. The heads of LA and NOLA's governments both should have been charged with willful negligence when it comes to the way they handled Katrina. Earlier in this thread, someone posted a picture of hundreds of school buses flooded in a parking lot - and blamed Bush for it. MULE FRITTERS! The people responsible for that were the local governments, NOT the feds. THEY had control over those buses, and left them PARKED, allowed trains to leave NOLA EMPTY, and then had the unmitigated GALL to whine about how the feds did nothing to help with evacuations for the poor. Had the local governments acted properly, effectively and in a timely manner, the numbers of people needing rescue after Katrina could and should have been cut by 90%, which in turn would have made any response to the situation 90% more effective. Instead, emergency services were left with 10s of thousands in need of rescue, post-disaster evacuation (which is 100 times more difficult than pre-disaster evacuations), and all those people as refugees in need of food, clothing and shelter - a situation which, as stated before, would overwhelm ANY of the current preparations seen for Irene, as well as those of the time. And the RESPONSIBILITY for the FUCK UP in PREPARING NOLA for Katrina rests SQUARELY on the heads of Nagin and Blanco.
So, if all you BOBS want to call this a big win for the "leadership" of Obama, have fun with it. You need a break from the abysmal way Obama has been running this country. And he DID do what presidents are SUPPOSED to do in situations like Katrina and Irene: watch the situation, get advice, and let the people trained to handle the job do the job. He did do it "better" than Bush in that overall respect, if nothing else by actually appointing a person trained for the job of emergency services.
But then, if Katrina had left behind the amount of damage Irene left behind, there would probably have been little to nothing to criticize Bush for. The levels of flooding would have been handled mostly by the states, and FEMA's presence (or lack) would have been hardly worthy of note. And THAT is why a comparison.contrast is not legitimate. The amounts of damage were so VASTLY different, there is no way to compare the two.
However, the proof of the pudding is how they actually act in the face of the devastation left behind. There is no way at all to tell for sure if the preparations indicated by FEMA under Obama would have been adequate to the levels of damage perpetrated by Katrina. The comparative damage left behind by Irene is a drop in the bucket compared to what Katrina left behind. Frankly, I doubt ANYONE could have actually handled the devastation left by Katrina, considering how badly the local government fucked up the preparations for the storm. The sheer numbers of people affected would have - and did - overwhelm the emergency services. And had Irene left that level of destruction behind, the current batch of emergency services would also be overwhelmed.
Conversely, even a horse breeder could probably have handled what Irene DID leave behind, especially considering the states managed to react well enough that need for federal assistance was minimized.
Speaking of which, let's not ignore the differences in the way the state and local governments handled the situation, both prior to, during, and after Irene compared to Katrina. The heads of LA and NOLA's governments both should have been charged with willful negligence when it comes to the way they handled Katrina. Earlier in this thread, someone posted a picture of hundreds of school buses flooded in a parking lot - and blamed Bush for it. MULE FRITTERS! The people responsible for that were the local governments, NOT the feds. THEY had control over those buses, and left them PARKED, allowed trains to leave NOLA EMPTY, and then had the unmitigated GALL to whine about how the feds did nothing to help with evacuations for the poor. Had the local governments acted properly, effectively and in a timely manner, the numbers of people needing rescue after Katrina could and should have been cut by 90%, which in turn would have made any response to the situation 90% more effective. Instead, emergency services were left with 10s of thousands in need of rescue, post-disaster evacuation (which is 100 times more difficult than pre-disaster evacuations), and all those people as refugees in need of food, clothing and shelter - a situation which, as stated before, would overwhelm ANY of the current preparations seen for Irene, as well as those of the time. And the RESPONSIBILITY for the FUCK UP in PREPARING NOLA for Katrina rests SQUARELY on the heads of Nagin and Blanco.
So, if all you BOBS want to call this a big win for the "leadership" of Obama, have fun with it. You need a break from the abysmal way Obama has been running this country. And he DID do what presidents are SUPPOSED to do in situations like Katrina and Irene: watch the situation, get advice, and let the people trained to handle the job do the job. He did do it "better" than Bush in that overall respect, if nothing else by actually appointing a person trained for the job of emergency services.
But then, if Katrina had left behind the amount of damage Irene left behind, there would probably have been little to nothing to criticize Bush for. The levels of flooding would have been handled mostly by the states, and FEMA's presence (or lack) would have been hardly worthy of note. And THAT is why a comparison.contrast is not legitimate. The amounts of damage were so VASTLY different, there is no way to compare the two.
zappasguitar
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Not a peep about TS Allison and the unprecedented damage she caused...LOL!
And was Irene a Cat 3 storm just before she hit NYC? Odd that you don't want to discuss the facts...
Just like Damo to duck the facts when those facts show he's wrong...
Oh, andbtw...I call bullshit until you can provide some NWS numbers to back up your absurd claim regarding winds in Eastern Colorado.
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didn't think you could explain or back up your claim.