The Case for Republican Economic Sabotage

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...the other day when one of the Tea Party Express performers mentioned that the Standard & Poor's credit downgrade was being blamed on the tea party wing of the Republican Party.

The crowd loved it.

Perhaps they simply didn't understand what just happened. Perhaps they tend to blurt out "yay!" every time the tea party moniker is mentioned in public, like when a rock star mentions your home town during a concert. But I tend to go with Occam's Razor on this. The simplest explanation is the most likely one: they were thrilled that our credit rating was downgraded because, in keeping with the plan, it would damage the economy and, thus, the president. So they decided to let out a spontaneous and collectively gleeful yalp.

On Monday, the market suffered its sixth largest decline ever. On Wednesday, its ninth largest decline ever. Based on simple economic principles, I fear this is only the beginning. The spending cuts demanded by the Johnny-come-lately Republican austerity obsession will create further havoc with declining GDP and rising joblessness.

As superlative as that might sound, it's not quite emphatic enough. The Republicans, inclusive of the tea party, have been orchestrating another economic decline knowing that it will damage the president's re-election chances as well as the perceived efficacy of Democratic economic policies. Put another way, the Republicans are threatening your personal well-being in order to defeat the president, and they've just completed the latest successful attack in their economically bellicose strategy.

The primary evidence exposing the sabotage is their demand for deficit and debt reduction at this point in the recovery from the Great Recession and their calculated ignorance about the impact of the president's initial stimulus plan.

Check the record. Deficit reduction in a slow growth high-unemployment economy has only ever caused the economy to recede. While, yes, the Republicans are dangerous and often feign ignorance, they're not stupid. Despite what they say, they know budget cuts will hurt economic growth in this specific climate. How do they know? History. As I wrote last week, 1937 is the best historical evidence of deficit reduction causing an economic back-slide.

What else does history show us? The bulk of the deficit is the result of Republican policies. This is an indisputable fact. Hubris and a "starve the beast" spending policy lead to record price tags for Iraq and Afghanistan, the TARP bailouts and, finally, the massive Bush tax cuts (graph). Adding the fiscal consequences of the recession to the tally and there it is: the federal budget deficit.

I only point out the Bush record to emphasize a crucial point in this sabotage argument, and we've all talked about this at some point or another so I'm not breaking any news when I repeat the observation that the Republicans only became concerned about the deficit when President Obama was inaugurated. Prior to that, I can't recall a single tea party austerity rally or floor speech demanding an end to "out of control spending." But when the president had no choice but to spend our way out of a worsening recession, the Republicans brandished their tri-corner hats and denied they had anything to do with the recession or the deficit.

The biggest secret you'll never hear from the Republicans (or, sadly, the Democrats for some reason) is that the deficit has been slowly shrinking as modest growth has boosted revenues -- a reality that proves the point that stimulus, leading to increased economic prosperity, leads to more tax revenue and, therefore, deficit reduction, even when spending remains higher than normal. Fact: President Obama and the Democrats reduced the deficit by $120 billion in their first fiscal year, down from the last Bush fiscal year. By the end of the president's first term, the deficit, even without the debt ceiling deal, is projected to be $300 billion less than Bush's final deficit. The math doesn't lie. But the Republicans do -- about the president's deficit and about their own spending record.

Irrespective of the Republicans brazenly and hypocritically accepting stimulus money and federal earmarks, the stimulus absolutely worked in relation to its dollar value and the size of recession itself, which turned out to be far deeper than was known at the time. As soon as the stimulus was signed -- almost to the day -- the stock market began to steadily rise, GDP turned around and, within a few quarters, was growing again and job losses began to be erased, with fewer each month. Had the stimulus been larger, the positive effects would have obviously reflected that. But once the money began to run out and the demands for austerity began to be taken seriously, growth and job creation slowed. And this week, following the debt ceiling deal which will cut trillions from the budget, the markets tanked and a second recession has the nation on tenterhooks. The Republican sabotage plan in motion. (It's also worth mentioning here that the other "evil" source of Democratic "spending", the Affordable Care Act, actually reduces the deficit, according to the Congressional Budget Office. Yet the Republicans were screechingly opposed to it, despite the deficit reduction and its close resemblance to healthcare plans proposed by Bob Dole and passed by Mitt Romney.)

Deficit reduction is absolutely necessary. But not yet. Not when the world economy hangs in the balance. But now, with austerity dominating the legislative agenda and the common wisdom in Washington, all safety nets have been stripped away, leaving nothing between us and a protracted nightmare of worsening joblessness, poverty and despair -- oh, and another Republican president and another Republican Congress, which will likely be responsible for racking up more deficits and debt with continued tax cuts for the super rich while blaming the awfulness on the Democrats.

Maybe we should give the benefit of the doubt to the tea party picnickers who were cheering for the credit downgrade the other day. After all, they were only following the leads of Mitch McConnell, who has been repeatedly open about his sabotage plan, stating that his goal is only to defeat the president no matter what, and House Majority Leader Eric Cantor, who is quite literally betting against the American economy by shorting government bonds. The Republicans have nothing to lose and everything to gain, and the facts prove them to be culpable of orchestrating what is arguably the most heinous and destructive Republican political scandal in American history.

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right...and all democrats are perfect

So, the "I know you are, but what am I" argument...nice one PW..LOL

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I love the way that they try to blame the utter failure of two full years of D WH with super majorities in both houses being unable to "compromise" enough with themselves to get any of this done back then on a small group of people who are just a portion of those who control only one house of Congress.

This is the weakest of arguments and nobody is going to believe them. In 2 years of total control of government Obama succeeded in pushing us ever faster toward the same cliff Bush had us slowly rolling towards. He couldn't even get his own party to pass even one of his offered budgets, now that's "leadership" of the utmost phail. Now in a sudden fit of desperation he has "turned" and focused on jobs. WTF was his focus before that? He was so proud of "saving" a zillion jobs! That he failed utterly only made him joke about how the "shovel ready" wasn't as "shovel ready" as he promised.

*whew* that joke sure got him there...

Now we should really, really believe him when he says he's going to do something about the economy, now that we know he wasn't really "focused" on fixing that... Couldn't be troubled with it... (pause here for the latest golf swing)...

I am soooooo very glad that I don't have to try to defend this President. I would be utterly embarrassed.

You should try to pass that buck more, it makes you look like a loser in the next election.
 
If there is any doubt, simply read "The Wrecking Crew". It most certainly is a plan, and one in which we (non-aristocrats) are vastly outgunned and losing.

This is why I get so angry at middle class conservatards.
 
I love the way that they try to blame the utter failure of two full years of D WH with super majorities in both houses being unable to "compromise" enough with themselves to get any of this done back then on a small group of people who are just a portion of those who control only one house of Congress.

This is the weakest of arguments and nobody is going to believe them. In 2 years of total control of government Obama succeeded in pushing us ever faster toward the same cliff Bush had us slowly rolling towards. He couldn't even get his own party to pass even one of his offered budgets, now that's "leadership" of the utmost phail. Now in a sudden fit of desperation he has "turned" and focused on jobs. WTF was his focus before that? He was so proud of "saving" a zillion jobs! That he failed utterly only made him joke about how the "shovel ready" wasn't as "shovel ready" as he promised.

*whew* that joke sure got him there...

Now we should really, really believe him when he says he's going to do something about the economy, now that we know he wasn't really "focused" on fixing that... Couldn't be troubled with it... (pause here for the latest golf swing)...

I am soooooo very glad that I don't have to try to defend this President. I would be utterly embarrassed.

You should try to pass that buck more, it makes you look like a loser in the next election.

I guess reading comprehension is not your strength.

Obama and the Democrats report card so far:

...the deficit has been slowly shrinking as modest growth has boosted revenues -- a reality that proves the point that stimulus, leading to increased economic prosperity, leads to more tax revenue and, therefore, deficit reduction, even when spending remains higher than normal. Fact: President Obama and the Democrats reduced the deficit by $120 billion in their first fiscal year, down from the last Bush fiscal year. By the end of the president's first term, the deficit, even without the debt ceiling deal, is projected to be $300 billion less than Bush's final deficit. The math doesn't lie. But the Republicans do -- about the president's deficit and about their own spending record.

Irrespective of the Republicans brazenly and hypocritically accepting stimulus money and federal earmarks, the stimulus absolutely worked in relation to its dollar value and the size of recession itself, which turned out to be far deeper than was known at the time. As soon as the stimulus was signed -- almost to the day -- the stock market began to steadily rise, GDP turned around and, within a few quarters, was growing again and job losses began to be erased, with fewer each month. Had the stimulus been larger, the positive effects would have obviously reflected that. But once the money began to run out and the demands for austerity began to be taken seriously, growth and job creation slowed. And this week, following the debt ceiling deal which will cut trillions from the budget, the markets tanked and a second recession has the nation on tenterhooks. The Republican sabotage plan in motion. (It's also worth mentioning here that the other "evil" source of Democratic "spending", the Affordable Care Act, actually reduces the deficit, according to the Congressional Budget Office. Yet the Republicans were screechingly opposed to it, despite the deficit reduction and its close resemblance to healthcare plans proposed by Bob Dole and passed by Mitt Romney.)
 
Even the most rabid lefties I know can not explain how the tea party is responsible for the downgrade. It's bumper sticker mentality. Booga booga! Tea party.

Problem: too much debt.
Left solution: more debt
Right solution: more debt
Tea party solution: curb spending

Leftwing blame: TEA PARTY!!!
 
more liberal crap whining about not getting their way and looking to blame the new kid on the block.

I guess we have an epidemic of reading comprehension deficiency. The tea partiers WERE CHEERING the downgrade. They were CHEERING America's failures. They are NOT patriots.
 
Even the most rabid lefties I know can not explain how the tea party is responsible for the downgrade. It's bumper sticker mentality. Booga booga! Tea party.

Problem: too much debt.
Left solution: more debt
Right solution: more debt
Tea party solution: curb spending

Leftwing blame: TEA PARTY!!!

Debt is NOT the number one problem we face. AND, the way to guarantee INCREASING debt; austerity.
 
Does anyone remember liberals on this board claiming the relatively robust economy under Bush 43 was a "recession".

You're heading for recession, unfortunately.
BusinessWeek
The Economy on Edge
The government says gross domestic product expanded at an annual rate of nearly 4% in the third quarter, the fastest pace in a year and a half. The stock market is still up by 4% for this year, despite a sharp 3% drop on Nov. 7. On the other hand, growth in consumer borrowing slowed unexpectedly in September. Some economists argue that the U.S. is teetering on the brink of a recession, if it isn't in one already.
http://www.businessweek.com/magazin...54.htm?chan=top+news_top+news+index_top+story

LONDON (Reuters) - The United States has entered a recession, according to highly-regarded investor Jim Rogers, who told Britain's Daily Telegraph newspaper on Wednesday he was switching out of the dollar and into yen, the yuan and the Swiss franc.

Declines in the trade deficit are just about always accompanied with recession.

By almost every economic metric, this is the weakest post-recession recovery on record. Or, at least since world war two.

thanks bush!
 
I guess we have an epidemic of reading comprehension deficiency. The tea partiers WERE CHEERING the downgrade. They were CHEERING America's failures. They are NOT patriots.

we ARE patriots. the cheering was the big 'fuck you, we told you so' dance. we TOLD you what would happen if you raised the debt ceiling and increased spending. you got what you wanted and now are trying to blame the TEA patriots for YOUR failures.

the ones guilty of economic treason are you and the GOP.
 
we ARE patriots. the cheering was the big 'fuck you, we told you so' dance. we TOLD you what would happen if you raised the debt ceiling and increased spending. you got what you wanted and now are trying to blame the TEA patriots for YOUR failures.

the ones guilty of economic treason are you and the GOP.

You people are either completely delusional or have the brain of a child. By not raising the debt ceiling, America would have defaulted on our debts.

TRY stopping payment on YOUR debts and see how it works out?

The following is for adults only:

Moody's suggests eliminating debt ceiling
07/18/11

The United States should eliminate the debt ceiling altogether, Moody's said in a Monday report.

"We would reduce our assessment of event risk if the government changed its framework for managing government debt to lessen or eliminate that uncertainty," Moody's analyst Steven Hess wrote in the report, first reported by Reuters.

Last week, Moody's warned it would cut the AAA credit rating held by the United States if the government can't cover its debts and if congressional negotiators and the White House fail to raise the $14.3 trillion debt limit by Aug. 2. Standard & Poor's issued a similar warning last week.

Moody's, which noted that the debt limit hadn't done much to stop rising government obligations, said it has always considered the risk of a U.S. default to be very low because Congress has regularly raised the debt ceiling, usually on a bipartisan basis and without much controversy.

The Hill
 
You people are either completely delusional or have the brain of a child. By not raising the debt ceiling, America would have defaulted on our debts.
no, little girl, we would not have defaulted. We'd have had to cut more spending which is what was needed.

The following is for adults only:
then why are you here?

Moody's suggests eliminating debt ceiling
07/18/11

The United States should eliminate the debt ceiling altogether, Moody's said in a Monday report.

"We would reduce our assessment of event risk if the government changed its framework for managing government debt to lessen or eliminate that uncertainty," Moody's analyst Steven Hess wrote in the report, first reported by Reuters.

Last week, Moody's warned it would cut the AAA credit rating held by the United States if the government can't cover its debts and if congressional negotiators and the White House fail to raise the $14.3 trillion debt limit by Aug. 2. Standard & Poor's issued a similar warning last week.

Moody's, which noted that the debt limit hadn't done much to stop rising government obligations, said it has always considered the risk of a U.S. default to be very low because Congress has regularly raised the debt ceiling, usually on a bipartisan basis and without much controversy.

The Hill


fuck moodys and their tax and spend agenda.
 
Moody's suggests eliminating debt ceiling

I'm with Moody's, it's kind of silly to have a ceiling we're not going to recognize as a ceiling. What purpose or function does it serve? Oh, I know... it's supposed to be a restraint, a cap, a line we can't cross.... but it's not, and it hasn't been.
 
Wow.... I read the OP, and all the pinhead responses thus far, and not a single mention of the Koch Brothers! You guys are slipping!

We're not slipping. This isn't about the Koch bros, it is about a conspiracy playing out since Reagan took office.
 
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