DamnYankee
Loyal to the end
The length of it is to discourage debate on it. In response I'll past War and Peace.
The Case for Republican Economic Sabotage
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Bfgrn
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WRONG...
http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/budget/historicals
Table 1.1—SUMMARY OF RECEIPTS, OUTLAYS, AND SURPLUSES OR DEFICITS (−): 1789–2016
Year / Receipts / Outlays / Surplus or Deficit (−)
2009 2,104,989 3,517,677 -1,412,688 - Bush
2010 2,162,724 3,456,213 -1,293,489 - Obama
2011 estimate 2,173,700 3,818,819 -1,645,119 - Obama
2012 estimate 2,627,449 3,728,686 -1,101,237 - Obama
2013 estimate 3,003,345 3,770,876 -767,531 - Obama
2014 estimate 3,332,588 3,977,141 -644,553 - Obama
2015 estimate 3,583,043 4,189,773 -606,730 - Obama
2016 estimate 3,819,103 4,467,806 -648,703 - Obama
We went over this before. Do you remember???
The Extended-Baseline Scenario is if we follow the laws and programs Democrats passed. End of the Bush tax cuts and enactment of the Affordable Healthcare Act.
The Alternative Fiscal Scenario is what will happen if Teapublicans gain power.
Federal Debt Held by the Public (Percentage of GDP)
CBO’s Analysis
The Extended-Baseline Scenario. Under this scenario, the expiration of the tax cuts enacted since 2001 and most recently extended in 2010, the growing reach of the alternative minimum tax, the tax provisions of the recent health care legislation, and the way in which the tax system interacts with economic growth would result in steadily higher revenues relative to GDP. At the same time, government spending on everything other than the mandatory health care programs, Social Security, and interest on the federal debt—activities such as national defense and a wide variety of domestic programs—would decline to the lowest percentage of GDP since before World War II.
That significant increase in revenues and decrease in the relative magnitude of other spending would offset much—though not all—of the rise in spending on health care programs and Social Security. Federal debt would increase slowly from its already high level relative to GDP. With both debt and interest rates rising over time, interest payments, which absorb federal resources that could otherwise be used to pay for government services, would climb to 4 percent of GDP (or one-sixth of federal revenues) by 2035, compared with about 1 percent now.
The Alternative Fiscal Scenario. The budget outlook is much bleaker under the alternative fiscal scenario, which incorporates very different assumptions about revenues: that the tax cuts enacted since 2001 and extended most recently in 2010 will be extended; that the reach of the alternative minimum tax will be restrained to stay close to its historical extent; and that over the longer run, tax law will evolve further so that revenues remain near their historical average of 18 percent of GDP.
This scenario also reflects the assumptions that Medicare’s payment rates for physicians will remain at current levels (rather than declining by about a third, as under current law) and that some policies enacted in the March 2010 health care legislation to restrain growth in federal health care spending will not continue after 2021. In addition, the alternative scenario includes an assumption that spending on activities other than the major mandatory health care programs, Social Security, and interest on the debt will not fall quite as low as under the extended-baseline scenario.
SmarterthanYou
rebel
yes, yours is definitely an illogical fallacy.
dixon76710
New member
No, youve simply been told over and over and over again that we would. Federal government has more than enough revenue coming in every day to pay our debts.
poet
Banned
Sorry, putting you on ignore. I can tolerate disagreement, but not idiots.
SmarterthanYou
rebel
then how do you tolerate yourself.
The Neo-cons have co-opted the Tea Party.
What the fuck are you talking about, that is exactly what happened.
SmarterthanYou
rebel
you're being a dunce, falling for the lamestream media and democrat talking points in order to discredit a group you don't agree with.
Good Luck
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Keep up the anti-republican, "it's all their fault" rhetoric, guys, and see where it gets you. The general public is catching on. They were there, watching, when dems argued among themselves and got absolutely nothing done for two years, except shove a gigantic, unconstitutional piece of legislative garbage down the peoples' throats. They watched as we spent $840 billion dollars on empty promises laughingly referred to as "shovel ready jobs", for which there were no shovels (or jobs). They watched as the current administration claimed saving millions of jobs while unemployment climbed. They watched the government bail out GM, only to have GM file for bankruptcy anyway.
The republicans have been out of the power seat in congress for almost 5 years now, and totally out of power the first two years of the Obama administration. Yet it is still the fault of the republicans, who, for the first several months of the 111th Congress, could not have even filibustered a single item the democrats wanted passed, let alone blocked it in a direct vote. Yet, according to some truly MINDLESS democratic apologists, it is still all the fault of a minority faction within a party which has controlled only one house of congress for less than a year.
You people are worse than pathetic.
How's this for a conspiracy theory: those who have actually held the majority of power the last 3 years, and a significant portion of power the last 5, are deliberately destroying the economy in the hopes of eventually rebuilding it along their dreams of absolute despotic socialism. Now that is a conspiracy theory that at least fits the facts and actions of the federal government these past few years.
The republicans have been out of the power seat in congress for almost 5 years now, and totally out of power the first two years of the Obama administration. Yet it is still the fault of the republicans, who, for the first several months of the 111th Congress, could not have even filibustered a single item the democrats wanted passed, let alone blocked it in a direct vote. Yet, according to some truly MINDLESS democratic apologists, it is still all the fault of a minority faction within a party which has controlled only one house of congress for less than a year.
You people are worse than pathetic.
How's this for a conspiracy theory: those who have actually held the majority of power the last 3 years, and a significant portion of power the last 5, are deliberately destroying the economy in the hopes of eventually rebuilding it along their dreams of absolute despotic socialism. Now that is a conspiracy theory that at least fits the facts and actions of the federal government these past few years.
Bfgrn
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I really HOPE the American public is catching on, and paying attention to the TRUTH, not faux propaganda. Democrats and the President passed landmark legislation to address a health care crisis. Legislation that will lower the debt, provide affordable health care to all Americans, and outlaw draconian practices like denial for preexisting conditions. A bill that is almost a mirror image of health reform proposed by Republicans in 1993, right down to the Republican/Heritage Foundation idea of an Individual Mandate. AND...the GOP 'CLAIMED' they wanted to work on passing reform this time, but they LIED. President Bush's former speechwriter exposed their REAL plan... to blow up reform and hand Obama his 'Waterloo'.
And we heard GOP leaders compare their tactics to terrorists...
Insurgency
Friday, February 6, 2009
Texas Republican Congressman Pete Sessions compares GOP strategy to Taliban insurgency
"Insurgency, we understand perhaps a little bit more because of the Taliban, and that is that they went about systematically understanding how to disrupt and change a person's entire processes. And these Taliban -- I'm not trying to say the Republican Party is the Taliban. No, that's not what we're saying. I'm saying an example of how you go about [sic] is to change a person from their messaging to their operations to their frontline message. And we need to understand that insurgency may be required when the other side, the House leadership, does not follow the same commands, which we entered the game with."
Congressman Pete Sessions Compares House Republicans To Taliban | Capitol Annex
And we have seen the MOST Senate obstructionism, delaying tactics and threat of filibuster activity in history.
And we have witnessed a President 3 years into his term unable to get his appointments to important agencies confirmed.
ALL to destroy this President. And if the country is destroyed in the process...so be it.
I REALLY HOPE the American people are catching on...I REALLY, REALLY do...
SmarterthanYou
rebel
democrats, republicans, and the health care bill are directly responsible for the creation of the TEA party, so it's no wonder why you'd be terrified of us and resort to calling us terrorists. I proudly wear your mantle.
Tjis is not an answer, just a deflection, like you did in the other tea party thread, where I had several points and you refused to answer any of them.
If you are so secure in your beliefs, answers should come easy.
You really think the neo-cons just folded up their card table and went home?
Like a demon, they jumped into the tea party, and there they roost, prove that they don't.
SmarterthanYou
rebel
and numerous people here have tried to tell you that we know those jacktivists are there and we're doing everything needed to make sure there is no foothold, but you seem to have filled your ears/eyes with some sort of blue colored substance because you keep glossing over those words.
More simple minded bullshit.
Strap on a pair and start living up to your moniker. Your responses to all querries TP are weak and empty.
Conservative
Repent, America!
The TEA Party is strong and growing stronger.
Tax and spend Socialism was defeated recently in Wisconsin. May be you read about that somewhere.
There is more to come. As President, Rick Perry will cut spending and taxes. It worked in Texas. It will work for all America.
Tax and spend Socialism was defeated recently in Wisconsin. May be you read about that somewhere.
There is more to come. As President, Rick Perry will cut spending and taxes. It worked in Texas. It will work for all America.
Seeing how stoned you are to believe this BULLSHIT, I am going to go twist one myself.
By the way, Perry changed the very nature of the governor's office in Texas, from a weak exectutive to a very strong executive.
You may want to research this a bit before you continue endorsing this scumbag, unless you think that is a good thing of course.
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Conservative
Repent, America!
I am unaware of what you claimed.
Here are some FACTS-
Governor Perry is the longest serving Governor of Texas.
Texas has surplus.
Texas has added jobs, not lost them.
Texas has NO State income tax.
Your turn for facts.
Here are some FACTS-
Governor Perry is the longest serving Governor of Texas.
Texas has surplus.
Texas has added jobs, not lost them.
Texas has NO State income tax.
Your turn for facts.
poet
Banned
The only segment of the populace that Rick Perry will charge up is the right wing, evangelical extremist wing of the Repub party. Big business requires a centrist, and he is not that. C'est la vie.