New York Special Election

a dem ran as a tea party member.....

thats funny!

if this were reversed, the dems would claim that the TP candidate was a plant for the pub party to draw votes away....could have happened here and it worked
 
Yea, Isn't it funny? The Republicans have managed to lose any political advantage they had over health care reform by supporting Ryans reactionary social engineering. I wonder what the Republican response will be? My guess is that they will try to quietly distance themselves from Ryancare.

I wondered how long it would take before people on the left were quoting Gingrich. For somebody who engineered the Contract with America and understands the strength in the capability to nationalize an election it surprised me how he answered those questions at that interview.

I'm interested in how Pawlenty is approaching it. Going to the strongholds of each of the program to tell them we'll have to work on cutting or changing each of the programs.

Starting in Iowa with Ethanol was impressive.
 
Yea, Isn't it funny? The Republicans have managed to lose any political advantage they had over health care reform by supporting Ryans reactionary social engineering. I wonder what the Republican response will be? My guess is that they will try to quietly distance themselves from Ryancare.

Funny how Mott continues his masters bidding.... FEAR MONGERING.... that is the response of Dems to any plan. Why create one of your own when FEAR MONGERING is so much simpler? The following are from Ryan's proposal.....

The Roadmap secures Medicare for current beneficiaries, while making common-sense reforms to save this critical program.

It preserves the existing Medicare program for those currently enrolled or becoming eligible in the next 10 years (those 55 and older today) - So Americans can receive the benefits they planned for throughout their working lives.

OMG OMG!!! oh wait... it doesn't change a thing for those 55 and older. Well shit... there goes one of Mott's fear mongering lines of crap.

For those currently under 55 – as they become Medicare-eligible – it creates a Medicare payment, initially averaging $11,000, to be used to purchase a Medicare certified plan. The payment is adjusted to reflect medical inflation, and pegged to income, with low-income individuals receiving greater support. The plan also provides risk adjustment, so those with greater medical needs receive a higher payment.

OMG OMG!!! Medicare continues for those under 55 as well. Only it adjusts payments to reflect MEDICAL INFLATION (oh that evil Ryan) and its PEGGED TO INCOME with low-income people receiving MORE support (THAT BASTARD).

The proposal also fully funds Medical Savings Accounts [MSAs] for low-income beneficiaries, while continuing to allow all beneficiaries, regardless of income, to set up tax-free MSAs.

WTF? The proposal fully funds the accounts for low income bene's? OMG OMG!!! the EVILZZZ

Based on consultation with the Office of the Actuary of the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services and using Congressional Budget Office [CBO] these reforms will make Medicare permanently solvent.

Permanently SOLVENT? WHO THE HELL WANTS THAT? We need to KEEP our current system that is grossly underfunded and due to implode..... RIGHT MOTT?

Modernizes Medicaid and strengthens the health care safety net by reforming high-risk pools, giving States maximum flexibility to tailor Medicaid programs to the specific needs of their populations. Allows Medicaid recipients to take part in the same variety of options and high-quality care available to everyone through the tax credit option.

Creates a safety net? Well, we can't be having that.

http://www.roadmap.republicans.budget.house.gov/
 
Funny how Mott continues his masters bidding.... FEAR MONGERING.... that is the response of Dems to any plan. Why create one of your own when FEAR MONGERING is so much simpler? The following are from Ryan's proposal.....

As Nancy Pelosi said, the Democrats have a plan. It's called Medicare.


OMG OMG!!! oh wait... it doesn't change a thing for those 55 and older. Well shit... there goes one of Mott's fear mongering lines of crap.

First, why should the 55 and older be exempt? I thought this was all about shared sacrifice? And if you are 55 and older you may be able to keep your Medicare, but as you get older and older and there are fewer and fewer Medicare participants, good luck finding a doctor that accepts it.

OMG OMG!!! Medicare continues for those under 55 as well. Only it adjusts payments to reflect MEDICAL INFLATION (oh that evil Ryan) and its PEGGED TO INCOME with low-income people receiving MORE support (THAT BASTARD).

Medicare doesn't continue for those under 55. Just slapping the "Medicare" label on a voucher program doesn't make it Medicare. And the Ryan Plan vouchers do not increase in value in accordance with medical inflation. They increase in accordance with the CPI, which is why old people will end up spending shitloads more on their healthcare under the Ryan Plan than they do now and it is also how the government saves money: it shifts costs to old people (and their families).

WTF? The proposal fully funds the accounts for low income bene's? OMG OMG!!! the EVILZZZ

Maybe in year one (and that's being generous). But because, as mentioned above, the vocuhers increase relative to CPI not medical cost inflation, over time the value of vouchers erode significantly.


Permanently SOLVENT? WHO THE HELL WANTS THAT? We need to KEEP our current system that is grossly underfunded and due to implode..... RIGHT MOTT?

It's easy to make Meidcare permanently solvent by ending it.

Creates a safety net? Well, we can't be having that.

It doesn't create a safety net. It creates a shitty voucher system that doesn't control costs but just shifts them to seniors and their families. It's like lowering your mortgage payment by not paying the bill.
 
As Nancy Pelosi said, the Democrats have a plan. It's called Medicare.

And as everyone knows, that system is currently severely underfunded and will implode if changes are not made. Like Pelosi, you are an idiot to present that as a viable option.

First, why should the 55 and older be exempt? I thought this was all about shared sacrifice? And if you are 55 and older you may be able to keep your Medicare, but as you get older and older and there are fewer and fewer Medicare participants, good luck finding a doctor that accepts it.

Because if they don't exempt those at or near retirement the Dems will use their typical FEAR MONGERING (just like Mott has done) and pretend 'the evil Reps want to take away Medicare from retirees.'

Again.... Medicare would continue to exist dolt. It is the HOW it is paid for and WHO gets what that would change. As for finding doctors... under the CURRENT system, the number of doctors that accept medicare continues to decline. So again, he is trying to find a way to make the system solvent, which is a far cry from where we are today.

Medicare doesn't continue for those under 55. Just slapping the "Medicare" label on a voucher program doesn't make it Medicare. And the Ryan Plan vouchers do not increase in value in accordance with medical inflation. They increase in accordance with the CPI, which is why old people will end up spending shitloads more on their healthcare under the Ryan Plan than they do now and it is also how the government saves money: it shifts costs to old people (and their families).

Funny, because on Ryan's site, in Ryan's words.... he states it will increase with medial inflation. But I know, we should trust you instead of the man that wrote the bill.

Also, tell us what would change between Medicare today and Medicare under his plan. Your simply saying 'it won't be medicare anymore' doesn't make it so. Yes, he is changing the structure. But again... he is protecting the low income, scaling payments based on need.... what exactly are you opposing?

Maybe in year one (and that's being generous). But because, as mentioned above, the vocuhers increase relative to CPI not medical cost inflation, over time the value of vouchers erode significantly.

According to YOU they do.... according to RYAN they increase based on medical inflation. I linked directly to his site if you wish to read what the man himself states.

It's easy to make Meidcare permanently solvent by ending it.

Ah yes, back to the FEAR MONGERING..... how typically partisan of you.

It doesn't create a safety net. It creates a shitty voucher system that doesn't control costs but just shifts them to seniors and their families. It's like lowering your mortgage payment by not paying the bill.

translation: "my masters told me its shitty, so its shitty! Shitty I tell you!"

When you get done stamping your feet and wish to have an adult discussion do let us know.
 
i really don't see why dems are jumping around claiming this is a big victory....

a dem called himself a tea party member and took about 10% of the votes, the former seat holder was a pub who got busted in a pic sex type scandal....

but go ahead and declare a big empty victory
 
And as everyone knows, that system is currently severely underfunded and will implode if changes are not made. Like Pelosi, you are an idiot to present that as a viable option.

It's more viable than the Ryan Plan and the Affordable Care Act implemented actual cost controls. Of course, the Republicans are blocking their implementation because they don't want them to work. They'd rather blow the whole thing up.


Because if they don't exempt those at or near retirement the Dems will use their typical FEAR MONGERING (just like Mott has done) and pretend 'the evil Reps want to take away Medicare from retirees.'

Well, if the policy is a good one the policy is a good one and can stand on its own and ought to be implemented for everyone, not just the voters that Republicans need to win elections.


Again.... Medicare would continue to exist dolt. It is the HOW it is paid for and WHO gets what that would change. As for finding doctors... under the CURRENT system, the number of doctors that accept medicare continues to decline. So again, he is trying to find a way to make the system solvent, which is a far cry from where we are today.

No, Medicare would not exist.

Funny, because on Ryan's site, in Ryan's words.... he states it will increase with medial inflation. But I know, we should trust you instead of the man that wrote the bill.

That may have been his plan at one time, but his latest proposal indexed the vouchers to CPI-U. Look it up if you want.


Also, tell us what would change between Medicare today and Medicare under his plan. Your simply saying 'it won't be medicare anymore' doesn't make it so. Yes, he is changing the structure. But again... he is protecting the low income, scaling payments based on need.... what exactly are you opposing?

Today, the government pays for health care. Under the Ryan Plan, government provides a vocuher to be used for the purchase of private health insurance. Those are two completely different things.


According to YOU they do.... according to RYAN they increase based on medical inflation. I linked directly to his site if you wish to read what the man himself states.

See above.


Ah yes, back to the FEAR MONGERING..... how typically partisan of you.

You can call it FEAR MONGERING if you want, but it's the truth.


translation: "my masters told me its shitty, so its shitty! Shitty I tell you!"

When you get done stamping your feet and wish to have an adult discussion do let us know.

FARGLE BARGLE.

A plan that solves the government's debt problem by making it the problem of seniors, the disabled and the poor is a shitty plan. That's what Ryan's plan does. Of course, he throws in tax cuts for the wealth taboot. Because he's a dick.
 
It's more viable than the Ryan Plan and the Affordable Care Act implemented actual cost controls. Of course, the Republicans are blocking their implementation because they don't want them to work. They'd rather blow the whole thing up.

No, it is not. The CBO projects that Medicare will go broke. The CBO also stated that Ryan's plan would prevent that. The ACA did NOTHING to reduce costs.


Well, if the policy is a good one the policy is a good one and can stand on its own and ought to be implemented for everyone, not just the voters that Republicans need to win elections.

LMAO.... translation "please don't remove our capability to scare seniors, make your plan for everyone so that we can scare those old people"

No, Medicare would not exist.

translation "It wont exist! it wont exist! because I say so!"

Like I said, when you get done stamping your feet and want to discuss the plan as an adult, do let us know. YOUR saying it won't exist is directly contrary to reality. If you are attempting to say it 'won't exist exactly as it currently is' well THEN you would be correct.

That may have been his plan at one time, but his latest proposal indexed the vouchers to CPI-U. Look it up if you want.

I did... it is on HIS site. THAT IS HIS PLAN.

Today, the government pays for health care. Under the Ryan Plan, government provides a vocuher to be used for the purchase of private health insurance. Those are two completely different things.

LOL... so in one, the government pays a doctor/hospital and you have to go by the governments definitions as to what is covered/not covered. Or the Government can issue you a voucher to purchase a plan tailored to your specific needs. Yeah.... those are definitely two different things. Either way, the government is 'paying'. the only difference is the path the money takes and the restrictions on its use.

You can call it FEAR MONGERING if you want, but it's the truth.

LMAO.... you truly have consumed a lot of kool aid haven't you?

A plan that solves the government's debt problem by making it the problem of seniors, the disabled and the poor is a shitty plan. That's what Ryan's plan does. Of course, he throws in tax cuts for the wealth taboot. Because he's a dick.

ROFLMAO.... so.... in his plan, SENIORS are not affected (remember that 55 and up stay under current plan), the disabled are not affected (yep... still covered), the poor are still subsidized... yet lemming like you continue FEAR MONGERING to the contrary. How shocking.... you do it because you are dick.
 
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No, it is not. The CBO projects that Medicare will go broke. The CBO also stated that Ryan's plan would prevent that. The ACA did NOTHING to reduce costs.

Yes, the ACA did. As for preventing Meidcare from going broke, it isn't hard when you just refuse to pay for things and instead leave it up to seniors.


LMAO.... translation "please don't remove our capability to scare seniors, make your plan for everyone so that we can scare those old people"

I just don't understand why, if the policy is so awesome, people over 55 shouldn't enjoy its wonderful benefits. Why shouldn't they get a piece of the action? And aren't you one of those "generational theft" jackasses?


translation "It wont exist! it wont exist! because I say so!"

FARGLE BARGLE.


Like I said, when you get done stamping your feet and want to discuss the plan as an adult, do let us know. YOUR saying it won't exist is directly contrary to reality. If you are attempting to say it 'won't exist exactly as it currently is' well THEN you would be correct.

It won't exist. You can call a voucher program "Medicare" if you want, but that doesn't mean that's what it is.


I did... it is on HIS site. THAT IS HIS PLAN.

You are mistaken. Seriously. Go look it up.


LOL... so in one, the government pays a doctor/hospital and you have to go by the governments definitions as to what is covered/not covered. Or the Government can issue you a voucher to purchase a plan tailored to your specific needs. Yeah.... those are definitely two different things. Either way, the government is 'paying'. the only difference is the path the money takes and the restrictions on its use.

Yes, they are very different. Thank you for acknowledging that.


LMAO.... you truly have consumed a lot of kool aid haven't you?



ROFLMAO.... so.... in his plan, SENIORS are not affected (remember that 55 and up stay under current plan), the disabled are not affected (yep... still covered), the poor are still subsidized... yet lemming like you continue FEAR MONGERING to the contrary. How shocking.... you do it because you are dick.

FARGLE BARGLE.
 
teabagger party is losing steam so fast it's hillarious.
You energized the base and that's it.
Anybody with any education knows the small gov cut spending is a fucking hillarious joke.
You won't fucking touch military spending
Please stfu about small gov it's tired and lame and almost as old as Mcfossil

You hit the nail right on the head Topper. Until they address the issues of defense spending and revenue then no one is going to take them seriously.
 
Correct, but a Republican in NYS is moderate to liberal and a Democrat in NYS is liberal to socialist. Using this as an indicator of the country as a whole is a grave mistake.

Not really. The Republican caucus, including those from the NE, is unanimous on most issues. There isn't anyone with significant ideological disagreements in the house anymore, besides perhaps Ron Paul.
 
i really don't see why dems are jumping around claiming this is a big victory....

a dem called himself a tea party member and took about 10% of the votes, the former seat holder was a pub who got busted in a pic sex type scandal....

but go ahead and declare a big empty victory

You can't assume that all Tea Party votes = Republican votes otherwise. Some may not have turned up to vote, some may have voted for the Democrat. You wouldn't need much in the way of these effects to see that the race would've been competitive otherwise.
 
They all ready are! What the hell do you think that medicare deduction on your pay roll taxes are?
I'm talking about folks paying a portion of their actual medical service when it is rendered. Again. don't you think that folks should pay for some portion of their own care?
 
Yes, the ACA did. As for preventing Meidcare from going broke, it isn't hard when you just refuse to pay for things and instead leave it up to seniors.

Do tell us what it did to lower health care costs: please, be specific. LMAO.... please show me in RYAN's plan where it refuses to pay for seniors.

I just don't understand why, if the policy is so awesome, people over 55 shouldn't enjoy its wonderful benefits. Why shouldn't they get a piece of the action? And aren't you one of those "generational theft" jackasses?

Because then idiots like you make comments like this: " As for preventing Meidcare from going broke, it isn't hard when you just refuse to pay for things and instead leave it up to seniors."

It is the normal FEAR MONGERING tactic of the far left morons.... and it is quite ironic that you use the very thing I stated the far left morons would use if everyone was included.

It won't exist. You can call a voucher program "Medicare" if you want, but that doesn't mean that's what it is.

LMAO... so again... it won't exist because YOU say it won't. In other words, you don't like the changes so again you resort to the typical FEAR MONGERING bullshit of 'they want to eliminate Medicare'

You are mistaken. Seriously. Go look it up.

Seriously moron.... I LINKED YOU TO HIS SITE. If you are so certain HIS SITE is wrong about HIS POSITION.... then do provide the evidence for your claim. I provided a link.... use it to educate yourself on RYAN's position.

Yes, they are very different. Thank you for acknowledging that.

Of course... so you don't like HOW it is paid for so you will therefore pretend it isn't paid for. Thank you for acknowledging that.

FARGLE BARGLE.

Ah yes, the traditional 'intellectual' response when you cannot refute any of those facts.

Do you deny that Seniors over 55 are not affected?

Is it the disabled that you believe are affected? If so, do show us how.

The poor are still subsidized.... If you disagree and this isn't just more FEAR MONGERING.... then again.... SHOW US where it denies them coverage.
 
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