The Donald would not a good president make

[cawacko]

Being successful in real estate does not require a person to take companies through bankruptcy proceedings three times. It's kind of ridiculous to claim otherwise.

No it doesn't but show me a big time developer who has been around since the '70's and hasn't lost everything once or twice and I'll show you a complete anomaly in the business. This is not a defense of Trump. It is a reality of being a long time real estate developer.

 

[Damocles]

That ain't a birth certificate. I think the Trumpster did release his actual birth certificate (or what he says is a copy of it) but that ain't it. I think that's the one he released at first until people pointed out that it was the wrong thing and he pulled "I meant to do that" while everyone pointed and laughed.

Probably, but it really doesn't matter, he released it, and he was born in NYC.

 

[christiefan915]

Trump through the years. Maybe his supporters could weigh in on why he wasn't questioning the BC until now. Cheap political ploy pandering to the nuts comes to mind.

2008
Donald Trump trashed President Bush Tuesday as a "terrible" president who has destroyed the world economy - but insisted the global crunch wouldn't stall his planned $2 billion golf resort.

"We have a president in the United States who's terrible. He stinks," Trump said. "Now the world is in chaos." Trump said he can't wait to see Bush head back to Texas after the November election is done. "Hopefully we'll have a good, new president, whoever he is," Trump said.

He praised both major party candidates, but gushed over Barack Obama, the presumptive Democratic nominee. "(Obama) has done an amazing job," Trump said. "He came from nowhere."

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/200...ould_fire_bush_hire_obama_.html#ixzz1K4T1q18o

2009
Larry King: Is Obama right or wrong to go after these executives with salary caps?

Donald Trump: Well, I think he's absolutely right. Billions of dollars is being given to banks and others. You know, once you start using taxpayer money, it's a whole new game. So I absolutely think he's right.

http://articles.cnn.com/2009-02-05/...stimulus-plan-trump-organization?_s=PM:LIVING

2010
TRUMP: Well, I think the expectations were so high that people are now disappointed. But you have to see what's going to happen from now. And I think right now, he's at the edge. It's going to go one way or another.

Health care, he pulled back. He said now, you know, we have to give Massachusetts their vote, which was a very smart thing for him to say. But that may kill his health care plan. Boy, he has devoted an entire year and all of his capital to this one particular situation that a lot of people don't want.

I really like him. We'll have to see how he does. On a personal basis, I like him. I think that it's going to be a very -- right now, he's at that tipping point. It's going to go one way or the other. It's going to be very interesting to see what happens.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1002/01/ec.01.html

 

[DamnYankee]

NEVER let your opposition choose your candidate.

 

[Canceled2]

NEVER let your opposition choose your candidate.

Everything Trump said about Bush was nothing more or less what numerous Republican's said in hindsight of his presidency, especially towards the end of 2008- The salary caps is another issue many Republicans agreed with for those companies accepting bail outs- And OMG you mean he had a measured opinion over health care...e gads what IS the world coming to!

 

[cawacko]

Trump through the years. Maybe his supporters could weigh in on why he wasn't questioning the BC until now. Cheap political ploy pandering to the nuts comes to mind.

2008
Donald Trump trashed President Bush Tuesday as a "terrible" president who has destroyed the world economy - but insisted the global crunch wouldn't stall his planned $2 billion golf resort.

"We have a president in the United States who's terrible. He stinks," Trump said. "Now the world is in chaos." Trump said he can't wait to see Bush head back to Texas after the November election is done. "Hopefully we'll have a good, new president, whoever he is," Trump said.

He praised both major party candidates, but gushed over Barack Obama, the presumptive Democratic nominee. "(Obama) has done an amazing job," Trump said. "He came from nowhere."

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/200...ould_fire_bush_hire_obama_.html#ixzz1K4T1q18o

2009
Larry King: Is Obama right or wrong to go after these executives with salary caps?

Donald Trump: Well, I think he's absolutely right. Billions of dollars is being given to banks and others. You know, once you start using taxpayer money, it's a whole new game. So I absolutely think he's right.

http://articles.cnn.com/2009-02-05/...stimulus-plan-trump-organization?_s=PM:LIVING

2010
TRUMP: Well, I think the expectations were so high that people are now disappointed. But you have to see what's going to happen from now. And I think right now, he's at the edge. It's going to go one way or another.

Health care, he pulled back. He said now, you know, we have to give Massachusetts their vote, which was a very smart thing for him to say. But that may kill his health care plan. Boy, he has devoted an entire year and all of his capital to this one particular situation that a lot of people don't want.

I really like him. We'll have to see how he does. On a personal basis, I like him. I think that it's going to be a very -- right now, he's at that tipping point. It's going to go one way or the other. It's going to be very interesting to see what happens.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1002/01/ec.01.html

I'm not really a Donald supporter and I don't mean to be rude but isn't saying he is doing this for politics and media attention Politics 101? You are not new to politics.

And Trump is definitely not the only person in America who spoke glowingly of Candidate Obama in 2008 and speaks a very different tune of President Obama in 2011.

 

[christiefan915]

I'm not really a Donald supporter and I don't mean to be rude but isn't saying he is doing this for politics and media attention Politics 101? You are not new to politics.

And Trump is definitely not the only person in America who spoke glowingly of Candidate Obama in 2008 and speaks a very different tune of President Obama in 2011.

I know you're not trying to be rude and I'm completely on board with the disillusion part. Obama wasn't my first choice but I supported him because he, at the time, seemed to be most in line with my issues.

My point here is that Trump knew from the beginning that some people had questions about Obama's birth. The questions started in 2008. Not once did Trump ever bring up BC when he talked about Obama. Suddenly, three years later, it's all he can talk about. I smell BS. I don't think it's really about the BC, but about policy. Maybe health care, taxes, etc.

Bottom line, why now? What changed for him that the BC issue is all he can talk about?

 

[Canceled2]

Love how disingenuous the "*sniffer" is. Trump attempts to talk about other issues-but the Obama media only want to ask him about the BC and of course posters like chris attempt to make it appear that is all he talks about. Further the "*sniffer" is also disingenuous about how Trump himself has explained why he thinks the BC issue is relevant.


*christiefan915 "Suddenly, three years later, it's all he can talk about. I smell BS".

 

[cawacko]

I know you're not trying to be rude and I'm completely on board with the disillusion part. Obama wasn't my first choice but I supported him because he, at the time, seemed to be most in line with my issues.

My point here is that Trump knew from the beginning that some people had questions about Obama's birth. The questions started in 2008. Not once did Trump ever bring up BC when he talked about Obama. Suddenly, three years later, it's all he can talk about. I smell BS. I don't think it's really about the BC, but about policy. Maybe health care, taxes, etc.

Bottom line, why now? What changed for him that the BC issue is all he can talk about?

Nigel argues it sets Trump apart from the other Republican presidential contenders who are afraid to bring up the issue and it makes Trump appeal more to the Republican base.

I think he's doing it because he's not serious about running and it is drawing more attention to himself which is his m.o.

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

Nigel argues it sets Trump apart from the other Republican presidential contenders who are afraid to bring up the issue and it makes Trump appeal more to the Republican base.

I think he's doing it because he's not serious about running and it is drawing more attention to himself which is his m.o.

I think it goes deeper than Trump's vanity. Running for president is an awfully expensive and cumbersome way to get attention for yourself, and there are many more cost effective ways to do that, if that were your motive. I think there is something more at play here. As I've said, I think Trump is doing this to help nominate Mitt Romney. His name recognition puts him in instant contention against any of the TEA Party candidates, and with the rhetoric he has been spouting, he will certainly pull votes from Palin, Huckabee, Bachman, Barbour, or Gingrich. By further diluting the TEA Party influence, it tips the scales toward Mitt Romney, who's supporters Trump isn't even going after, in spite of his obvious ability to do so on the economy and finances. Now, maybe Trump is completely serious about this, and his plan is to secure the TEA Party right, and then go after the moderates later? Time will tell on this, but I honestly believe Trump is doing this to help Mitt Romney win the nomination, and nothing more.

 

[Canceled2]

Palin on Trump:

“Well, first, I do have respect for Donald Trump and for his candidness — I think people are craving that today, in the world of political speak . . . coming out of the White House,” Palin said. “And the confusing messages that come from so many of our politicos — we appreciate that Donald Trump is so candid.

“Donald Trump is the one being really treated unfairly — I would say though, in the press —when they are hammering him about the one issue that he has brought up and not been shy about, and that’s the birth certificate,” she continued. “He’s merely answering reporters’ questions about his view on the birth certificate — and then reporters turn that around and [say]: ‘That’s all he’s got — he’s always running on a birth certificate issue,’ when that’s not the case.

“Bottom line [is] that President Obama is so far over his head — he has gotten us on the road to bankruptcy, and insolvency, and a less secure nation,” Palin said. “And Trump, and so many of us, want to do something about that.”

Palin noted candidates have control of their messages and “you don't have to give the time of day to those who are so obviously biased.”

“I was thinking back on some of those interviews that Obama had given back when he was a candidate,” she said. “The inconsistencies that he spewed back then, and reporters didn’t follow up. Certainly now — he as our president — he needs to be asked these tough questions.”

Hannity asked Palin whether she thought the GOP has been capitulating on issues regarding cuts in government spending.

“I say — with all due respect to those Republicans — they got elected with that promise . . . they would rein in government growth on the overreach, and the over borrowing, and the over spending that President Obama has so embraced,” Palin replied. “We can’t just — we can’t afford to have any of the GOP in there — or the Blue Dogs Democrats, the Reagan Democrats — be a part of Obama’s very radical agenda, which as I say is putting us on the road to bankruptcy.

“We are flat broke — it makes absolutely no sense to capitulate, and say: OK, we'll throw in cowboy poetry, and pretty monuments, and more museums, and maybe some road projects that we don’t need,” she said.

 

[Damocles]

“Well, first, I do have respect for Donald Trump and for his candidness — I think people are craving that today, in the world of political speak . . . coming out of the White House,” Palin said. “And the confusing messages that come from so many of our politicos — we appreciate that Donald Trump is so candid.

“Donald Trump is the one being really treated unfairly — I would say though, in the press —when they are hammering him about the one issue that he has brought up and not been shy about, and that’s the birth certificate,” she continued. “He’s merely answering reporters’ questions about his view on the birth certificate — and then reporters turn that around and [say]: ‘That’s all he’s got — he’s always running on a birth certificate issue,’ when that’s not the case.

“Bottom line [is] that President Obama is so far over his head — he has gotten us on the road to bankruptcy, and insolvency, and a less secure nation,” Palin said. “And Trump, and so many of us, want to do something about that.”

Palin noted candidates have control of their messages and “you don't have to give the time of day to those who are so obviously biased.”

“I was thinking back on some of those interviews that Obama had given back when he was a candidate,” she said. “The inconsistencies that he spewed back then, and reporters didn’t follow up. Certainly now — he as our president — he needs to be asked these tough questions.”

Hannity asked Palin whether she thought the GOP has been capitulating on issues regarding cuts in government spending.

“I say — with all due respect to those Republicans — they got elected with that promise . . . they would rein in government growth on the overreach, and the over borrowing, and the over spending that President Obama has so embraced,” Palin replied. “We can’t just — we can’t afford to have any of the GOP in there — or the Blue Dogs Democrats, the Reagan Democrats — be a part of Obama’s very radical agenda, which as I say is putting us on the road to bankruptcy.

“We are flat broke — it makes absolutely no sense to capitulate, and say: OK, we'll throw in cowboy poetry, and pretty monuments, and more museums, and maybe some road projects that we don’t need,” she said.

Understandably, I agree with almost everything she had to say. We are on the road to fiscal disaster, and our leaders argued over less than 1% of the overwhelming overspending free-for-all and were unable to stand firm on even that small portion.

 

[cawacko]

I think it goes deeper than Trump's vanity. Running for president is an awfully expensive and cumbersome way to get attention for yourself, and there are many more cost effective ways to do that, if that were your motive. I think there is something more at play here. As I've said, I think Trump is doing this to help nominate Mitt Romney. His name recognition puts him in instant contention against any of the TEA Party candidates, and with the rhetoric he has been spouting, he will certainly pull votes from Palin, Huckabee, Bachman, Barbour, or Gingrich. By further diluting the TEA Party influence, it tips the scales toward Mitt Romney, who's supporters Trump isn't even going after, in spite of his obvious ability to do so on the economy and finances. Now, maybe Trump is completely serious about this, and his plan is to secure the TEA Party right, and then go after the moderates later? Time will tell on this, but I honestly believe Trump is doing this to help Mitt Romney win the nomination, and nothing more.

My comments are just pure conjecture as to what Trump's motives are. I just think if he was serious about running he wouldn't be on this birther kick. Like you said time will tell.

 

[Canceled2]

Understandably, I agree with almost everything she had to say. We are on the road to fiscal disaster, and our leaders argued over less than 1% of the overwhelming overspending free-for-all and were unable to stand firm on even that small portion.

Remember those "100 billion in cuts" they promised to stand firm on getting? I do, and so will voters. I expect to see more fiscal republicans taking seats from their weak-kneed brethren in the next election cycle. This whole idiocy about compromising on the budget when it is our fiscal future at stake makes me sick

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

My comments are just pure conjecture as to what Trump's motives are. I just think if he was serious about running he wouldn't be on this birther kick. Like you said time will tell.

Well, my thoughts are purely conjecture at this point as well, but the pieces of the puzzle just don't fit... there are too many things that don't make sense here, and something is up with that. Trump doesn't NEED publicity... his reality show is like the highest rated show in its time slot, and one of the highest rated reality shows out there, so why would he need publicity for that? There are all kinds of publicity stunts which would cost a lot less than running for president, I just don't believe this is about publicity.

Especially incriminating, is the record of Trump's opinions on different issues. It's all out there, he hasn't been silent on this stuff, his viewpoints are a matter of record, he has written best-selling books. Now suddenly, many of his more moderate views have changed? He was pro-choice, now he's pro-life.... and there really isn't a legitimate explanation from Trump on this, he just says he "changed his mind." That's all good and well, but I am pro-life, and I can give you a plethora of reasons for my viewpoint. Same with Gay Marriage, I am opposed to it, and I can articulate the reasons I am opposed to it, but Trump simply says "I'm not in favor of it... it's just not for me." That doesn't tell me anything... I am not hearing principled conviction there, I am hearing a man tell me what he thinks I want to hear.

 

[Canceled2]

Well, my thoughts are purely conjecture at this point as well, but the pieces of the puzzle just don't fit... there are too many things that don't make sense here, and something is up with that. Trump doesn't NEED publicity... his reality show is like the highest rated show in its time slot, and one of the highest rated reality shows out there, so why would he need publicity for that? There are all kinds of publicity stunts which would cost a lot less than running for president, I just don't believe this is about publicity.

Especially incriminating, is the record of Trump's opinions on different issues. It's all out there, he hasn't been silent on this stuff, his viewpoints are a matter of record, he has written best-selling books. Now suddenly, many of his more moderate views have changed? He was pro-choice, now he's pro-life.... and there really isn't a legitimate explanation from Trump on this, he just says he "changed his mind." That's all good and well, but I am pro-life, and I can give you a plethora of reasons for my viewpoint. Same with Gay Marriage, I am opposed to it, and I can articulate the reasons I am opposed to it, but Trump simply says "I'm not in favor of it... it's just not for me." That doesn't tell me anything... I am not hearing principled conviction there, I am hearing a man tell me what he thinks I want to hear.

Actually he has elaborated on his pro choice views-it's directly tied to the birth of a good friends child....but regardless Dix, why is it hard to believe that a person can change their views? I know I have in the last few years on the death penalty and school prayer for instance-have you never changed your view on an issue?

 

[cawacko]

Actually he has elaborated on his pro choice views-it's directly tied to the birth of a good friends child....but regardless Dix, why is it hard to believe that a person can change their views? I know I have in the last few years on the death penalty and school prayer for instance-have you never changed your view on an issue?

I agree people can change their positions. Like you I have on several issues as well. I guess the issue for politicians is do we as voters believe it is a change in principle or one just done of political expediency? I've not seen Trump speak on abortion but if he had a change of heart and came out and explained why I can respect that.

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

Actually he has elaborated on his pro choice views-it's directly tied to the birth of a good friends child....but regardless Dix, why is it hard to believe that a person can change their views? I know I have in the last few years on the death penalty and school prayer for instance-have you never changed your view on an issue?

ID, I did hear him mention his friend's child, almost to the same length you just mentioned it. To me, it sounded concocted, as if he knew he needed to explain his change of heart with something, or it wouldn't 'sell' to the public... I'm not saying he is lying, I don't know... just a feeling, I guess. And I have changed my mind on things, but I can ALWAYS explain in specific detail, exactly why I hold my viewpoint, and if I've changed, why I was in error before. I am just not hearing this kind of passion from Trump.

Whenever I argue against "Gay Marriage" it is always accompanied by the reasons I am opposed, my respect for the sanctity of traditional marriage, protecting the foundational values of traditional family, not establishing law based on sexual preference or lifestyle choices... I give the reasons I am opposed, why I think it's a bad idea, why I think my viewpoint is correct. I didn't hear this from Trump... What I heard was: "I'm not for it... just not for me..." Nothing else! He didn't even bother to come up with a friend who was gay for that one, he just dismisses it entirely.

 

[Canceled1]

My comments are just pure conjecture as to what Trump's motives are. I just think if he was serious about running he wouldn't be on this birther kick. Like you said time will tell.

He brings up the birther kick because it sheds light on the transparency, or lack thereof, from the guy that promised transparency in all his doings and since the time he uttered his first promise, he's been consistently full of bullshit since.

 

[Canceled2]

ID, I did hear him mention his friend's child, almost to the same length you just mentioned it. To me, it sounded concocted, as if he knew he needed to explain his change of heart with something, or it wouldn't 'sell' to the public... I'm not saying he is lying, I don't know... just a feeling, I guess. And I have changed my mind on things, but I can ALWAYS explain in specific detail, exactly why I hold my viewpoint, and if I've changed, why I was in error before. I am just not hearing this kind of passion from Trump.

Whenever I argue against "Gay Marriage" it is always accompanied by the reasons I am opposed, my respect for the sanctity of traditional marriage, protecting the foundational values of traditional family, not establishing law based on sexual preference or lifestyle choices... I give the reasons I am opposed, why I think it's a bad idea, why I think my viewpoint is correct. I didn't hear this from Trump... What I heard was: "I'm not for it... just not for me..." Nothing else! He didn't even bother to come up with a friend who was gay for that one, he just dismisses it entirely.

Yes, well, we have limitless time to hammer out our opinions with Google at our finger tips to go after a single issue that is important to us. You have a well reasoned and articulated position on gay marriage because you have spent time developing one. Trump's in an interview setting with 5 second sound bite moments. He answered the question like an average guy might Dix...in his gut it just doesn't seem right, I think for him it probably is not on his list of big deals-at least that's how he sounded to me. I have no problem with that answer-none-it's an honest position to take and a brave one in this PC climate imo. Anyway...we shall see what happens eh?