The Donald would not a good president make

Damocles said:
I don't necessarily think it is important to people, but I do think it is the image they recognize when they think of Trump. Basically, he could be an incredible President with all the right policy, but I think his self-absorbed antics of the past while promoting and becoming a "Reality TV" star will make it hard for most of the "voters" who literally pay attention only 2 weeks before an election to see him as "Presidential"...
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I am still baffled as to who you think "looks presidential" on the GOP side? Newt Gingrich? Mitt Romney? Who? We don't have a statesman like Ronald Reagan, I don't think... at least, I haven't seen anyone emerge. I thought Palin came close, but I think the well is poisoned for Palin, she couldn't win, the media (and the elite right) has crucified her. I don't SEE anyone else looking "presidential" on the right. And honestly, I don't think the whole concept of "looking presidential" will be of the utmost importance to voters this time... I just think it could be a really defiant electorate, who stun the critics and astound the experts.

I am interested in Conservative government, smaller more limited government, lower taxes and more incentives for business to grow the economy. If some person emerges with this message, I don't care how they "look" really. I can overlook that aspect, it's not important to me to have a president who looks presidential, it's more important to have one who acts conservative.

Now with Trump... I think this might be his undoing. When people start getting into the details of what he has traditionally supported, it isn't going to be easy to overcome for him. For instance, his support of the Canadian Health Care system... he wrote about this in his book, he thought it was great! There are all kinds of discrepancies in what he purports to support today, versus what he has said in the past. These things have a way of rearing their ugly head in a political campaign, and he is totally inexperienced in this arena. I still think he is only in this race to help Mitt Romney... just my gut feeling about this.... he is saying too many things that are inconsistent with his views of the past, and has really not had much explanation, other than he changed his mind... it just seems like he is trying VERY hard, to appeal to a specific cross-section of the TEA Party right.... He has spend the past 4 weeks talking about Obama's birth certificate, when his prime asset as a potential president, is his business savvy. With the economy in the shape it's in, with the debt and spending in the news daily, it just seems very ODD that Trump has chosen to focus on the Obama birth certificate. Something doesn't feel right about that.
 
Trump is seizing on the birther issue because he gains instant street cred amongst a large swath of the Republican primary electorate on an issue that none of the major candidates will touch. On the debt stuff, everyone is talking about it and the Trumpster can't really distinguish himself (plus the fact that his businesses have filed for bankruptcy protection a few times doesn't really help). On the bither issue, he's the only show in town.
 
cawacko said:
I'm curious if Trump would want to go through all the financial disclosures a President has to.
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He said the other day, if he announces, all his financial dealings will be made public, and people would be surprised, he has done very well... he seemed to not mind at all, in fact, he almost seemed like he couldn't wait until you can see what all he has done!! lol
 
Dixie said:
I am still baffled as to who you think "looks presidential" on the GOP side? Newt Gingrich? Mitt Romney? Who? We don't have a statesman like Ronald Reagan, I don't think... at least, I haven't seen anyone emerge. I thought Palin came close, but I think the well is poisoned for Palin, she couldn't win, the media (and the elite right) has crucified her. I don't SEE anyone else looking "presidential" on the right. And honestly, I don't think the whole concept of "looking presidential" will be of the utmost importance to voters this time... I just think it could be a really defiant electorate, who stun the critics and astound the experts.

I am interested in Conservative government, smaller more limited government, lower taxes and more incentives for business to grow the economy. If some person emerges with this message, I don't care how they "look" really. I can overlook that aspect, it's not important to me to have a president who looks presidential, it's more important to have one who acts conservative.

Now with Trump... I think this might be his undoing. When people start getting into the details of what he has traditionally supported, it isn't going to be easy to overcome for him. For instance, his support of the Canadian Health Care system... he wrote about this in his book, he thought it was great! There are all kinds of discrepancies in what he purports to support today, versus what he has said in the past. These things have a way of rearing their ugly head in a political campaign, and he is totally inexperienced in this arena. I still think he is only in this race to help Mitt Romney... just my gut feeling about this.... he is saying too many things that are inconsistent with his views of the past, and has really not had much explanation, other than he changed his mind... it just seems like he is trying VERY hard, to appeal to a specific cross-section of the TEA Party right.... He has spend the past 4 weeks talking about Obama's birth certificate, when his prime asset as a potential president, is his business savvy. With the economy in the shape it's in, with the debt and spending in the news daily, it just seems very ODD that Trump has chosen to focus on the Obama birth certificate. Something doesn't feel right about that.
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It isn't what I think that matters, the point is that most people don't pay close enough attention to even know about policy and make their decisions differently that I do. I know you want me to agree with everything you say at all times, but it really isn't going to happen.

People who don't pay attention, don't know about policy, and have only seen the antics I speak of are going to make this decision. And until more people pay attention, that will continue. Do you believe that most people who voted in the last election truly knew the issues or do you think that many of them fell "victim" to a "movement" that rushed in "not-Bush" whose foreign policy and spending are very much "yes-Bush"?
 
NigelTufnel said:
Trump is seizing on the birther issue because he gains instant street cred amongst a large swath of the Republican primary electorate on an issue that none of the major candidates will touch. On the debt stuff, everyone is talking about it and the Trumpster can't really distinguish himself (plus the fact that his businesses have filed for bankruptcy protection a few times doesn't really help). On the bither issue, he's the only show in town.
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Well, TRUMP already had street cred, he is TRUMP! Economics, finance, business, the debt... these are issues Trump CAN distinguish himself with, because he is not a political insider, an he is well-respected as a successful businessman. Some of his businesses may have filed for bankruptcy, that doesn't make him a bad businessman, it actually makes him a good businessman, and is the sign of almost any great businessman. To do well in business, you have to take chances, and unfortunately, things don't always pan out. Oh yeah, it looks "bad" if you are a simple-minded twit who really knows nothing about business...Trump went bankrupt once, so he is a failure in business! But the truth of the matter is, the man was born rich, lost his fortune, and then re-made his fortune on his own.
 
Damocles said:
It isn't what I think that matters, the point is that most people don't pay close enough attention to even know about policy and make their decisions differently that I do. I know you want me to agree with everything you say at all times, but it really isn't going to happen.

People who don't pay attention, don't know about policy, and have only seen the antics I speak of are going to make this decision. And until more people pay attention, that will continue. Do you believe that most people who voted in the last election truly knew the issues or do you think that many of them fell "victim" to a "movement" that rushed in "not-Bush" whose foreign policy and spending are much "yes-Bush"?
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Don't be silly Damo..... Trump's not running for the DEMOCRAT nomination!!! ;)
 
Dixie said:
Well, TRUMP already had street cred, he is TRUMP! Economics, finance, business, the debt... these are issues Trump CAN distinguish himself with, because he is not a political insider, an he is well-respected as a successful businessman. Some of his businesses may have filed for bankruptcy, that doesn't make him a bad businessman, it actually makes him a good businessman, and is the sign of almost any great businessman. To do well in business, you have to take chances, and unfortunately, things don't always pan out. Oh yeah, it looks "bad" if you are a simple-minded twit who really knows nothing about business...Trump went bankrupt once, so he is a failure in business! But the truth of the matter is, the man was born rich, lost his fortune, and then re-made his fortune on his own.
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I get Nigel's point but like you said it seems based on his name he's already so far ahead of the other Republicans running he doesn't need to resort to the birther issue for publicity. And he does have a lot of street cred with the youth and within the black community but this birther stuff only hurts him with those groups in my opinion.
 
People who don't pay attention, don't know about policy, and have only seen the antics I speak of are going to make this decision.
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I wanted to single this comment out for my observations. Damo, do you think there is ANYONE we can nominate, who the left is not going to try and portray as "nutty" or "dumb" or "crazy" or "racist" or UN-PRESIDENTIAL? Any possible "antic" they've ever been involved in through their whole life, will be exploited by the Obamanites, you have to realize this. So if we can only elect someone the democrats can't smear, we'll end up with Obama another 4 years, or possibly something even worse than Obama! I personally think we should not be concerned with this, and expect that to be the case with whoever we nominate. I'm tired of trying to nominate someone the left approves of, it gets us nowhere.
 
The idea of Trump as a legit candidate for office is kind of a farce. He's like a rescue fantasy right now for people sick of politics as usual, but the process just isn't set up for a guy w/ his temperment. He doesn't know how to speak in anything but hyperbole, and is very quick to lash out w/ personal attacks if he is criticized in any way. He won't make it through the press scrutiny of a campaign, much less the debates; he'll end up looking pretty bad, imo...
 
cawacko said:
I get Nigel's point but like you said it seems based on his name he's already so far ahead of the other Republicans running he doesn't need to resort to the birther issue for publicity. And he does have a lot of street cred with the youth and within the black community but this birther stuff only hurts him with those groups in my opinion.
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Looking over Trump's political positions of days gone by, he appears to be a moderate conservative, and I won't say 'social liberal' but a bit left of center on social issues. His ideology would seem to be more in-line with that of Mitt Romney or Rudy Giuliani, but his rhetoric is off the charts to the right, with the Roy Moore fringe... it's really bizarre to me, if he is serious. This is why I don't think he is serious. What I think is, Romney sees where he can probably get 30% of the GOP vote, but the other 70% is split between a couple of potential TEA Party candidates, and he can't win the nomination because of that. So... Enter Donald Trump, sucking all the oxygen out of the room for the TEA Party candidates, diluting their support for other viable TEA Party candidates, and solidifying Romney's base. Those who support Romney, are certainly not going to flock to Trump, talking about the birth certificate... those votes are safe with Romney. Trump could take on Romney with the economics/business stuff, but he has chosen not to do so at this point, and I don't believe he will. I think he is in this to help Romney win the nomination, and he will be content to siphon votes away from any Romney challenger. Time will tell, but that is what I think is going on here.
 
Dixie said:
I wanted to single this comment out for my observations. Damo, do you think there is ANYONE we can nominate, who the left is not going to try and portray as "nutty" or "dumb" or "crazy" or "racist" or UN-PRESIDENTIAL? Any possible "antic" they've ever been involved in through their whole life, will be exploited by the Obamanites, you have to realize this. So if we can only elect someone the democrats can't smear, we'll end up with Obama another 4 years, or possibly something even worse than Obama! I personally think we should not be concerned with this, and expect that to be the case with whoever we nominate. I'm tired of trying to nominate someone the left approves of, it gets us nowhere.
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So why should we nominate somebody who has already done that job for them? There is a reality to how people appear to the general public in today's elections, ignoring it because you think the left "wouldn't approve" of Trump is just nonsense. They won't approve, but they also won't be saddled by the burden of their own very effective self-promotion. Very effective if you are promoting a star of a "Reality TV" program... not so much if you are applying for the Presidency...

Basically what I am predicting is that Trump won't even get the nomination. My guess is his last comments about how we need to "look at Single-Payer health care" and other things like that (I can't remember them both) will make even the people who now think he is great because he "says what he thinks" move away from him.
 
Damocles said:
So why should we nominate somebody who has already done that job for them? There is a reality to how people appear to the general public in today's elections, ignoring it because you think the left "wouldn't approve" of Trump is just nonsense. They won't approve, but they also won't be saddled by the burden of their own very effective self-promotion. Very effective if you are promoting a star of a "Reality TV" program... not so much if you are applying for the Presidency...

Basically what I am predicting is that Trump won't even get the nomination. My guess is his last comments about how we need to "look at Single-Payer health care" and other things like that (I can't remember them both) will make even the people who now think he is great because he "says what he thinks" move away from him.
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It doesn't matter if they've done that job for them, it's probably BETTER that they've gotten that out of the way, then they can focus on the issues and decry their opponent for dragging up the past. Either way, the GOP nominee is going to be turned into the Spawn of Satan by Dems... might as well get used to it, that's how they roll! The mindset and thinking that we need to nominate someone who fits a certain criteria for appearance, is exactly what ended us up with John McCain, and before him, Bob Dole! We have to stop this tendency, and stick to principles. I don't care if someone "looks" presidential, or even "talks" presidential... I want someone who governs as a Reagan conservative. And it's like Chris Christie says... this may lead to a disagreement or two! I don't care what Democrats, the liberal media, the Washington establishment, Karl Rove, or anyone else has to say about whoever we nominate.... throw it at us, we don't fucking care anymore! It's time to torch tradition... it's time to elect someone who is going to do what they say, and give us the conservative government we have been demanding for decades.
 
Dixie said:
It doesn't matter if they've done that job for them, it's probably BETTER that they've gotten that out of the way, then they can focus on the issues and decry their opponent for dragging up the past. Either way, the GOP nominee is going to be turned into the Spawn of Satan by Dems... might as well get used to it, that's how they roll! The mindset and thinking that we need to nominate someone who fits a certain criteria for appearance, is exactly what ended us up with John McCain, and before him, Bob Dole! We have to stop this tendency, and stick to principles. I don't care if someone "looks" presidential, or even "talks" presidential... I want someone who governs as a Reagan conservative. And it's like Chris Christie says... this may lead to a disagreement or two! I don't care what Democrats, the liberal media, the Washington establishment, Karl Rove, or anyone else has to say about whoever we nominate.... throw it at us, we don't fucking care anymore! It's time to torch tradition... it's time to elect someone who is going to do what they say, and give us the conservative government we have been demanding for decades.
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Again, "issues" are not going to decide this, idiots who don't know anything about the issues are.
 
LOL! Trump can't be prez... he was born in South Africa... lol!!!

"Donald Trump is investing in his homeland," says Dr. Franco Tarantuliari, economist and brother of Rivolo Tarantuliari, project manager of Trump's Cape Town investment firm. "We're helping Mr. Trump navigate the strict financial regulations in South Africa that prohibit companies that have filed for bankruptcy to operate here [Mr. Trump has filed for corporate bankruptcy three times]. The fact that he was born here gives us some legal leverage to bypass antiquated regulatory difficulties."
http://trumpbirthers.blogspot.com/

ROFL!!!
 
Dixie said:
Well, TRUMP already had street cred, he is TRUMP! Economics, finance, business, the debt... these are issues Trump CAN distinguish himself with, because he is not a political insider, an he is well-respected as a successful businessman. Some of his businesses may have filed for bankruptcy, that doesn't make him a bad businessman, it actually makes him a good businessman, and is the sign of almost any great businessman. To do well in business, you have to take chances, and unfortunately, things don't always pan out. Oh yeah, it looks "bad" if you are a simple-minded twit who really knows nothing about business...Trump went bankrupt once, so he is a failure in business! But the truth of the matter is, the man was born rich, lost his fortune, and then re-made his fortune on his own.
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My point was more that going birther when the others won't automatically gets Trump a good amount of support from Republican primary voters. And it doesn't take any real work. It's like free money.

And for country that has a "debt problem," running multiple businesses that filed for bankruptcy isn't really a strong selling point. I'm not suggesting that it means he doesn't know anything about business, obviously he does, but it does show that he isn't afraid to amass crippling debt to finance his vision. Leading with that isn't really the smartest thisng to do.
 
NigelTufnel said:
My point was more that going birther when the others won't automatically gets Trump a good amount of support from Republican primary voters. And it doesn't take any real work. It's like free money.
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See, that's the thing though, Nigey... I think you've got it all wrong, I don't believe there are THAT many republican primary voters who's #1 main concern is whether Obama was born in Hawaii. I think the VAST majority, especially the TEA Partiers, are more concerned with his policies and where he and the liberal Democrats are taking the country. It smacks of an appeal to a stereotype, that is even more the reason for me to be suspect of his motives. It 'feels' like something put together by people who THINK they understand the minds of the TEA Party voters, and they don't!

And for country that has a "debt problem," running multiple businesses that filed for bankruptcy isn't really a strong selling point. I'm not suggesting that it means he doesn't know anything about business, obviously he does, but it does show that he isn't afraid to amass crippling debt to finance his vision. Leading with that isn't really the smartest thisng to do.
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As I said, if you are a simple-minded idiot who doesn't understand business, you can focus on Trump's few failures, and it's not a good impression at all, I agree.... and there are MANY voters who will do just that, because there are many simple-minded idiots out there... logistics. But the bottom line is, he is able to fund his own presidential campaign, and has said he will kick in $600 million of his own money to run.... so.... seems like the man might know something about prosperity, don't ya think? His successes are exponentially greater than his failures, and anyone who has more than an ounce of business understanding, knows and understands this about Trump, and these petty simple-minded emotes are irrelevant, and make you look bad.
 
None of your ideas or beliefs mean a damn thing. Trump was not born in the U.S. he can't be president! LOL!
 
Crashk said:
None of your ideas or beliefs mean a damn thing. Trump was not born in the U.S. he can't be president! LOL!
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According to his long form birth certificate that he released he was born in NYC.

The address of the hospital that issued the birth certificate:
Jamaica Hospital
8900 Van Wyck Expressway #1st
New York, NY 11435
(718) 206-6039

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It's a bit silly to let your excitement run away with you...
 
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