DamnYankee
Loyal to the end
There's lots of guys who have the talents to be firemen, but few with the talent to be effective administrators. I noticed that you didn't comment on how much The Obama's Czars make.
It's about teaching the children... to be good little pinhead protesters!
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There's lots of guys who have the talents to be firemen, but few with the talent to be effective administrators. I noticed that you didn't comment on how much The Obama's Czars make.
I haven't had time to search it out. I was watching CNN. I consider them reliable.
That's what happens, though - especially in the current era of the 24x7 news coverage.
A right-wing blog says "teachers took their students from class to protest." Other right-wing blogs & sites parrott the claim. Soon, it's "the buzz," and it starts to get reported as fact on a certain level. Not straight reporting, but something like "we're hearing reports that...", or "it's rumored that..."
Before you know it, it's part of history - teachers are indoctrinating children into the liberal religion!
I don't buy the CNN shit for a second. Damo heard it on talk radio or from some other right-wing news source. He pulls this shit all the time and never once have I seen him err in favor of whomever the right is attacking at the time.
christiefan915
Catalyst
So how much do they make... as opposed to other presidents' czars?
That's most likely because you don't "see" when people agree with you. It's easy to miss that, or misremember, because you don't get all bent about it. The reality is I just post what I am hearing. That one was posted from my phone and now I'm at work... I don't get to watch video, etc. here. So, I'll survive just fine with the kill the messenger approach you are taking. Do you have any evidence that they were not students? That is your assertion, and you seem to have more freedom to research crap like that.
I did post what I heard, as what I heard. If you have better evidence then by all means provide it.
This would explain the continued fascination Darla has with me as she lurks behind the scenes pulling on the strings of her frog puppet ~
Not informing them without a bias is not informing them...for instance there is no "union busting".
Another insidious tactic in the spread of misinformation. Now, the onus is on those who question the right-wing blog claim.
DamnYankee
Loyal to the end
Assuming for a moment that they all made the same, the sheer number of The Obama's czars puts his budget well above previous presidents. How many does he have compared to Bush?
Mott the Hoople
Sweet Jane
So let me get this straight? You're telling me that it's a harder talent to learn administration then it is to learn how to run into a burning building to save lives? You honestly really believe that? Look dude I've worked in administration and I've worked in hazardous operations. You just flat out don't know what your talking about.
So it doesn't seem odd or unfair to you that we are asking skilled professionals such as teachers, policemen and firemen to take a pay cut due to budget shortfalls but that management should get a pay raise? Shouldn't management have to demonstrate an ability to perform first? Ya know, like the rest of us and failing that shouldn't they have to take a pay cut too?
Now I may be mistaken here but it seems to me that the sacrifice in these hard economic times isn't being shared by management but is going in one direction only. If the budget was flush and revenue was pouring in and unemployment was below 5% and management was demonstrating a track record of performances then ok, a pay raise is in order. That's what their expecting from those who work for them but it's ok to have a double standard for management? They shouldn't have to demonstrate an ability to perform to recieve large salaries and benefits and pay raises and bonuses because they are "talent"?
This is the kind of cronyism I'm afraid of when some hack politician tells you that some favor currying paper pusher is more talented and worth more then skilled professionals are with out that "talent" demonstrating it's ability to peform. Particularly when many of those skilled professionals risk their lives for the public good. What risk do these managers take? Oh yea...they risk paper cuts and golden parachutes. How public spirited of them.
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She can never go too long without her "fix".
but she doesn't give two shits you see....
She can never go too long without her "fix".
but she doesn't give two shits you see....
Well my friend when you have gullible and somewhat stupid fan club you can say you don't care...I mean a certain someone isn’t smart enough to add all the interest up against all the claims of disinterest and get a clue...the perfect dupe don't ya know
christiefan915
Catalyst
Fewer.
Q: Does Obama have an unprecedented number of "czars"?
A: "Czar" is media lingo, not an official title. But our research shows that George Bush’s administration had more "czars" than the Obama administration.
FULL QUESTION
A friend of mine sent me a link claiming that Obama has more czars than any other president ever and he is trying to turn the USA into a dictatorship. Please give me confirmation so I can give it to her that she has no reason to fear. Does hiring czars allow a president to bypass Congress for approval? And does President Obama have more than any other president?
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It’s meaningless to ask a question about what "hiring czars" allows a president to do, because presidents don’t hire czars. "Czar" is a label bestowed by the media – and sometimes the administration – as a shorthand for the often-cumbersome titles of various presidential advisers, assistants, office directors, special envoys and deputy secretaries. (After all, what makes for a better headline – "weapons czar" or "undersecretary of defense for acquisition, technology and logistics"?)
There’s been a certain fascination with calling Obama’s advisers and appointees "czars." Fox News host Glenn Beck has identified 32 Obama czars on his Web site, whom he has characterized as a collective "iceberg" threatening to capsize the Constitution. Beck and other television hosts aren’t the only ones crying czar, either. Six Republican senators recently sent a letter to the White House saying that the creation of czar posts "circumvents the constitutionally established process of ‘advise and consent.’ " Republican Sen. Bob Bennett of Utah issued a press release saying that czars "undermine the constitution." And Texas Republican Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison wrote an opinion column in the Washington Post complaining about the czar menace, including the factually inaccurate claim that only "a few of them have formal titles."
The habit of using "czar" to refer to an administration official dates back at least to President Franklin D. Roosevelt, but the real heyday of the czar came during President George W. Bush’s administration. The appellation was so popular that several news organizations reported on the rise of the czar during the Bush years, including NPR, which ran a piece called "What’s With This Czar Talk?" and Politico, which published an article on the evolution of the term. The latter, written during the 2008 presidential campaign, points out that czars are "really nothing new. They’ve long been employed in one form or another to tackle some of the nation’s highest-profile problems." Politico quotes author and political appointments expert James Bovard saying that the subtext of "czar" has changed from insult to praise: "It’s a real landmark sign in political culture to see this change from an odious term to one of salvation.”
Now it’s turned odious again, with Republican senators calling czars unconstitutional and cable hosts like Beck and Sean Hannity characterizing them as shadowy under-the-table appointees used by Obama to dodge the usual approval processes. In fact, of the 32 czars Beck lists:
* Nine were confirmed by the Senate, including the director of national intelligence ("intelligence czar"), the chief performance officer ("government performance czar") and the deputy interior secretary ("California water czar").
* Eight more were not appointed by the president – the special advisor to the EPA overseeing its Great Lakes restoration plan ("Great Lakes czar") is EPA-appointed, for instance, and the assistant secretary for international affairs and special representative for border affairs ("border czar") is appointed by the secretary of homeland security.
* Fifteen of the "czarships" Beck lists, including seven that are in neither of the above categories, were created by previous administrations. (In some cases, as with the "economic czar," the actual title – in this case, chairman of the president’s economic recovery advisory board – is new, but there has been an official overseeing the area in past administrations. In others, as with the special envoy to Sudan, the position is old but the "czar" appellation is new.)
* In all, of the 32 positions in Beck’s list, only eight are Obama-appointed, unconfirmed, brand new czars.
These new "czars" include the special representative for Afghanistan and Pakistan; the director of recovery for auto communities and workers; the senior advisor for the president’s Automotive Task Force; the special adviser for green jobs, enterprise, and innovation at the White House Council on Environmental Quality; the federal chief information officer; the chair of the Recovery Act Transparency and Accountability Board; the White House director of urban affairs; and the White House coordinator for weapons of mass destruction, security and arms control. Or, as Glenn Beck would have it, the Afghanistan czar, the auto recovery czar, the car czar, the embattled green jobs czar, the information czar, the stimulus accountability czar, the urban affairs czar and the WMD policy czar.
Some of these new positions would have been meaningless in a previous administration. Previous presidents didn’t need an Automotive Task Force or a Recovery Act Transparency and Accountability Board. These positions are similar to George W. Bush’s "World Trade Center health czar" and "Gulf Coast reconstruction czar" in that they are new advisory positions created to deal with temporary challenges facing the administration. Others do represent new long-term concerns (urban affairs, climate change), but the act of appointing advisers to manage new areas of interest is hardly unique to the Obama administration. The Bush administration, for instance, created the "faith-based czar" and the "cybersecurity czar."
Another thing: Beck counts among his 32 "czars" three who have not been called "czars" by reporters at all, except in stories claiming that the Obama administration has lots of "czars." We’ve compiled a FactCheck.org list that discounts these positions, which seem to be "czars" only in the context of media czar-hysteria. (Our list also adds three czars Beck’s research didn’t find – a "diversity czar," a "manufacturing czar" and an "Iran czar.")
As for Obama having an unprecedented number of czars, the Bush administration had even more appointed or nominated positions whose holders were called "czars" by the media. The DNC has released a Web video claiming that there were 47, but it’s counting multiple holders of the same position. We checked the DNC’s list against Nexis and other news records, and found a total of 35 Bush administration positions that were referred to as "czars" in the news media. (Our list of confirmed "czars," with news media sources cited, is here.) Again, many of these advisory positions were not new – what was new was the "czar" shorthand. Like the Obama czars, the Bush czars held entirely prosaic administrative positions: special envoys, advisers, office heads, directors, secretaries. The preponderance of czars earned both ridicule and concern in editorials and in media, but no objections from Congress.
http://www.factcheck.org/2009/09/czar-search/
Well my friend when you have gullible and somewhat stupid fan club you can say you don't care...I mean a certain someone isn’t smart enough to add all the interest up against all the claims of disinterest and get a clue...the perfect dupe don't ya know
Keep up the "Alerts"
Keep up the "Alerts"
For no other reason in that at the very least they prove I have always been right
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another whiny christiefan post that ignores your liberals doing worse...you completely ignore his multiple threads about me...yet you hound for making a post in this thread
you're as bad as ranaFor no other reason in that at the very least they prove I have always been right
"Oh Lord it's hard to be humble..."
Mott the Hoople
Sweet Jane
"Oh Lord it's hard to be humble..."
.....when you're perfect in every way. Mac Davis!
DamnYankee
Loyal to the end
Absolutely. There's lots of fireman, but only one chief.
I noticed that you again didn't comment on how much The Obama's Czars make.