It's about teaching the children... to be good little pinhead protesters!

Ice Dancer said:
That is a parents perogative-Still, the very fact that there is no hint of objectivity in their involvement makes it more then just distatsteful.
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But do we want the government to regulate something of a fairness doctrine for parents to force them to give both sides to their kids? I sure don't.

If teachers took kids out of class to protest at the Capital I 100% disagree with that. If a parent decides they want to take their kids on their own time to the Capital to join the teachers in protest I cannot argue with that. I certainly wouldn't do it but I can't tell another parent not to.
 
cawacko said:
But do we want the government to regulate something of a fairness doctrine for parents to force them to give both sides to their kids? I sure don't.

If teachers took kids out of class to protest at the Capital I 100% disagree with that. If a parent decides they want to take their kids on their own time to the Capital to join the teachers in protest I cannot argue with that. I certainly wouldn't do it but I can't tell another parent not to.
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Agreed-but the problem really exists in that I am 99.9% certain that we can all rest assured that the kids in the classroom heard nothing about the other side of the argument in any unbiased factual way, yet likely heard all about the issue from the teacher's perspective- Everyone SHOULD have a problem with that-but in this I am also certain-democrats don't/won't.
 
Ice Dancer said:
The "kids" should not been involved in the situation...the captive audience and all that lack of objectivity. Tell me how much argument did those kids get to hear that was on the side of Walker? That is why it was wrong to involve the "kids".
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But of course you find it perfectly acceptable that tea party members bring their kids to many of the rallies they attended.

Typical Tightie Rightie Double standard...

You don't know who brought those kids.

You don't know why those kids are there.

here we have another Tightie Rightie "do as I say and not as I do" moment.
 
Ice Dancer said:
Agreed-but the problem really exists in that I am 99.9% certain that we can all rest assured that the kids in the classroom heard nothing about the other side of the argument in any unbiased factual way, yet likely heard all about the issue from the teacher's perspective- Everyone SHOULD have a problem with that-but in this I am also certain-democrats don't/won't.
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These kids look like they are 8, 9 and 10 years old. I can't imagine they are going to fully understand budgets and pension reform. I would also think or hope teachers would be focused on teaching kids the basic fundamentals in class and not spending time on an issue like this.

I would think that if a teacher spent time in class trying to brainwash their kids regarding the teachers side one of the parents would find out and have a national megaphone to complain about it.
 
cawacko said:
These kids look like they are 8, 9 and 10 years old. I can't imagine they are going to fully understand budgets and pension reform. I would also think or hope teachers would be focused on teaching kids the basic fundamentals in class and not spending time on an issue like this.

I would think that if a teacher spent time in class trying to brainwash their kids regarding the teachers side one of the parents would find out and have a national megaphone to complain about it.
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Maybe they would or maybe not- It has been shown that a definite liberal bias DOES exist in numerous classrooms around the country. To believe that this discussion did not happen, in the classrooms of Wisconsin, is in my opinion absurd. Their ages may be a problem for you-but trust me from 5 to 17 they are a captive audience and their respective teachers are well versed in how to frame a discussion based on age.
 
Ice Dancer said:
Maybe they would or maybe not- It has been shown that a definite liberal bias DOES exist in numerous classrooms around the country. To believe that this discussion did not happen, in the classrooms of Wisconsin, is in my opinion absurd. Their ages may be a problem for you-but trust me from 5 to 17 they are a captive audience and their respective teachers are well versed in how to frame a discussion based on age.
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Well bias in the classroom is a different discussion than parents bringing their kids to a protest. No doubt a majority of teachers lean left politically and I have no question that comes through at times when they teach. In this specific example which is so politically charged that if a teacher did try to give a very biased account of what is going on and a parent found out at home when they asked their how class was today that parent would have a loud voice to complain.
 
cawacko said:
Well bias in the classroom is a different discussion than parents bringing their kids to a protest. No doubt a majority of teachers lean left politically and I have no question that comes through at times when they teach. In this specific example which is so politically charged that if a teacher did try to give a very biased account of what is going on and a parent found out at home when they asked their how class was today that parent would have a loud voice to complain.
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Yes, they would have a loud voice- that would be likely drowned out by a very liberal media. Again, we have no clear knowledge about who those kids are or why they were there. My main point is that I am certain that they did hear about the situation in the classroom-and that the discussion was biased.

In Oregon see what has been discovered over the issue in their support of Wisconsin teachers...to think this same bias did not happen in Wisconsin itself takes some willful denial

Oh and then there is this
 
Ice Dancer said:
Yes, they would have a loud voice- that would be likely drowned out by a very liberal media. Again, we have no clear knowledge about who those kids are or why they were there. My main point is that I am certain that they did hear about the situation in the classroom-and that the discussion was biased.

In Oregon see what has been discovered over the issue in their support of Wisconsin teachers...to think this same bias did not happen in Wisconsin itself takes some willful denial

Oh and then there is this
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As I said earlier I disagree 100% with teachers taking kids out of class time to protest. If a parent does it on their own time I can't argue with it.
 
Damocles said:
Some of us prefer our children to remain unindoctrinated.
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Oh please Damo. Dixie is being a blythering hypocrit again. He's all for teaching his political views and values to his kids but appaled when others do the same. The only thing those kids know is that they are supporting their parents and their aint a damned thing wrong with that.
 
Ice Dancer said:
Yes, they would have a loud voice- that would be likely drowned out by a very liberal media. Again, we have no clear knowledge about who those kids are or why they were there. My main point is that I am certain that they did hear about the situation in the classroom-and that the discussion was biased.

In Oregon see what has been discovered over the issue in their support of Wisconsin teachers...to think this same bias did not happen in Wisconsin itself takes some willful denial

Oh and then there is this
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No FACTS...no EVIDENCE...NOTHING to back up her "feeeeeeeeeelings".

EXCEPT...if any Liberal tried to make an argument claiming the type of things that the Ice Dunce does, they'd be laughed right off these boards by Conservatives for their "emotion based" argument.

Once again we see that the bottom line with conservatives is that what's okay for them is off limits for Liberals...or would some "fair & balanced" conservative like to spend a couple minutes telling ID all the ways her "argument" is wrong?

I won't hold my breath waiting...
 
cawacko said:
Well bias in the classroom is a different discussion than parents bringing their kids to a protest. No doubt a majority of teachers lean left politically and I have no question that comes through at times when they teach. In this specific example which is so politically charged that if a teacher did try to give a very biased account of what is going on and a parent found out at home when they asked their how class was today that parent would have a loud voice to complain.
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That's bullshit too. I hate those kind of stereotypes. Teachers are human beings and are parts of our communities and tend to reflect the mainstream values of the communities in which they live.

I grew up in a small farming community that is so far to the right that their still stuck in the 50's and I can assure you I never knew what a liberal was until I went to college. They sure as hell didn't exist at Coldwater High.

Same in my current community. It's one of the wealthiest urban communities in the State and the teachers reflect that. They are pretty much a 50:50 split of conservatives and liberals. Juast as Dublin in general is evenly split between very conservative business people and more liberal academics and professionals.

In metro Columbus teachers are very liberal but then again, so is their community at large which is composed mostly of blue collar working class urban people who tend to vote liberal.

I have two members of my families who are high school teachers both of whom live in rural communities and both of whom are intensely conservative as are most of their co-workers at their respective schools.
 
Is this a real thread? It seems more like a joke. The ones who yell the loudest about the constitution, etc. now object to children being involved in the democratic process? WTF is wrong with you people?

Oh yeah, I forgot, the GOP plan is to dumb down the children so they don't even know that rights they used to have are being violated. Duh.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
That's bullshit too. I hate those kind of stereotypes. Teachers are human beings and are parts of our communities and tend to reflect the mainstream values of the communities in which they live.

I grew up in a small farming community that is so far to the right that their still stuck in the 50's and I can assure you I never knew what a liberal was until I went to college. They sure as hell didn't exist at Coldwater High.

Same in my current community. It's one of the wealthiest urban communities in the State and the teachers reflect that. They are pretty much a 50:50 split of conservatives and liberals. Juast as Dublin in general is evenly split between very conservative business people and more liberal academics and professionals.

In metro Columbus teachers are very liberal but then again, so is their community at large which is composed mostly of blue collar working class urban people who tend to vote liberal.

I have two members of my families who are high school teachers both of whom live in rural communities and both of whom are intensely conservative as are most of their co-workers at their respective schools.
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Teachers leaning left politically is bullshit? I don't know really how to respond. I mean are there teachers that are conservative? Sure. But to really argue that teachers as a whole don't have a leftward bent just seems way out of left field to me.
 
Dune said:
Is this a real thread? It seems more like a joke. The ones who yell the loudest about the constitution, etc. now object to children being involved in the democratic process? WTF is wrong with you people?

Oh yeah, I forgot, the GOP plan is to dumb down the children so they don't even know that rights they used to have are being violated. Duh.
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Shut up troll.
 
Dune said:
Is this a real thread? It seems more like a joke. The ones who yell the loudest about the constitution, etc. now object to children being involved in the democratic process? WTF is wrong with you people?

Oh yeah, I forgot, the GOP plan is to dumb down the children so they don't even know that rights they used to have are being violated. Duh.
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hi legion :)

your post is a joke. duh
 
cawacko said:
Teachers leaning left politically is bullshit? I don't know really how to respond. I mean are there teachers that are conservative? Sure. But to really argue that teachers as a whole don't have a leftward bent just seems way out of left field to me.
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This is a common problem with libtards. They see themselves and liberals like them as normal.
 
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