I wish your teachers could have done more for you...
If you think anyone can teach your are an idiot!
Those poor Milwaukee teachers
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I wish your teachers could have done more for you...
If you think anyone can teach your are an idiot!
zappasguitar
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Sure they expect their employees to produce, but what about those at the top of the ladder?
Well, the dozens of corporate CEO's who, over the past 8 years drove their companies into the ground, drove stock prices down and destroyed their employee's 401k plans, all while being rewarded with multi-million dollar "retirement" packages would beg to differ with you.
I wish your teachers could have done more for you...
You're in denial. If teachers were such awesomely smart people, our students wouldn't be such dumbfucks. Do you deny that our students are failing compared to other countries? Denier.
I would blame the people who are supposed to be responsible for their work, the teachers, but since the unions protect shitty teachers, I blame the unions for half the problem. Teachers are people paid to do a job. They don't do a great job or our kids would all be smart.
Let's make this equivalent.
Do we expect the Governors of the past as defacto CEO to be held responsible for the incredibly poor structure of the schools? Do we hold them responsible when they act as retailers with public money to pay back their contributors who got them elected? Do we expect any change in the "not what you know, but who you know" attitude that prevails in both politics and business?
The teachers and Administration of the schools are more equivalent to the managers and employees, not the CEOs. I expect you understand that poor performance will net you job loss in the private sector, do such failure deserve protection in the public sector? Should we just "give them more money" without some expectation of improvement?
Governors and leaders that we elect to the equivalent public-sector job as "CEO" get just as much of a pass as the CEOs you list here. Hardly anybody is speaking of the irresponsible incestuous nature of the 'negotiations' that built an untenable and expensive system that brings consistent poor results. And any suggestion of expectation of results is met with extreme resistance and claims of "Nazi" or some other nonsense.
zappasguitar
Well-known member
Whatever you do...don't hold the kid's parents responsible for their lack of smarts.
Oh no...parents who don't take an active hand in their kids education aren't responsible in any way for their kids lack of education.
Bfgrn
New member
March 5, 2011
Fact Check: Wisconsin's baffling battle over its budget
By Factcheck.org
How High Are Teachers' Salaries?
Teachers' salaries also have become an issue in Wisconsin. One reader asked:
Q: It has been stated (I believe by [Pat] Buchanan) that the average Wisconsin teacher's salary is $100,000. Can this be true?
It's not true that the average Wisconsin teacher earns $100,000 in salary. In fact, no Wisconsin school district had an average teacher salary of $100,000 during the 2009-2010 school year. But don't blame conservative commenter Pat Buchanan for the misinformation. Buchanan, who wrote a recent op-ed on the topic for the Union Leader, was referring only to Milwaukee public schools, and he was including both salary and benefits.
Buchanan, Feb. 23: According to the MacIver Institute, the average teacher in the Milwaukee public schools earns $100,000 a year — $56,000 in pay, $44,000 in benefits — and enjoys job security.
Buchanan cited a MacIver Institute report that included a video clip of Deb Wegner, manager of financial planning for the Milwaukee Public Schools. In the video, Wegner said the average Milwaukee teacher in fiscal year 2011 will earn a total compensation of $100,005 — including $56,500 in salary. But Milwaukee is not representative of the entire state of Wisconsin — and that's where some, including Sen. Rand Paul of Kentucky, have gone wrong. On the "David Letterman Show" on Feb. 24, the Republican senator made a misleading claim when discussing the "generous" average teacher pay in Wisconsin. (Paul's comments start at 9:40 in this video.)
Paul, Feb. 24: But I guess the argument is, is you have to look at the details and say: Have we been generous with teachers in Wisconsin? The average teacher in Wisconsin is making $89,000 a year to work nine months.
There is no official calculation of the average salary of Wisconsin public school teachers, according to Wisconsin Department of Public Instruction spokesman Patrick Gasper. The National Education Association estimates the average Wisconsin teacher's salary to be $51,121. The state Department of Public Instruction only calculates average teacher salary and benefits on a district by district basis. As of fiscal year 2010, none of the school districts in Wisconsin had an average teacher salary of $100,000 (as our reader asked) or even $89,000 (the amount Paul said the average teacher in Wisconsin "is making").
-- Eugene Kiely, Lara Seligman, D'Angelo Gore, Lauren Hitt and Michael Morse
Of the 425 public school districts in Wisconsin, only one had a salary and benefits package in 2010 that exceeded $100,000; the Nicolet Unified School District average total compensation was $103,315. And only 21 school districts — fewer than 5 percent of the total — paid average total compensation that topped $89,000.
The average salary in Wisconsin schools during the 2009-10 school year ranged from $18,983 in Kenosha Unified School District to $72,499 in the Nicolet Unified School District. The median salary was the Loyola School District at $48,504. Benefits ranged from a low of $6,459 in Niagara School District to $36,567 in the Herman Consolidated School District #22. The median benefit value was $25,762 in the Adams-Friendship Area School District.
However you slice it, it's simply not true that the average Wisconsin teacher makes $100,000, or even $89,000.
http://record-eagle.com/opinion/x1422725587/Fact-Check-Wisconsins-baffling-battle-over-its-budget
Fact Check: Wisconsin's baffling battle over its budget
By Factcheck.org
How High Are Teachers' Salaries?
Teachers' salaries also have become an issue in Wisconsin. One reader asked:
Q: It has been stated (I believe by [Pat] Buchanan) that the average Wisconsin teacher's salary is $100,000. Can this be true?
It's not true that the average Wisconsin teacher earns $100,000 in salary. In fact, no Wisconsin school district had an average teacher salary of $100,000 during the 2009-2010 school year. But don't blame conservative commenter Pat Buchanan for the misinformation. Buchanan, who wrote a recent op-ed on the topic for the Union Leader, was referring only to Milwaukee public schools, and he was including both salary and benefits.
Buchanan, Feb. 23: According to the MacIver Institute, the average teacher in the Milwaukee public schools earns $100,000 a year — $56,000 in pay, $44,000 in benefits — and enjoys job security.
Buchanan cited a MacIver Institute report that included a video clip of Deb Wegner, manager of financial planning for the Milwaukee Public Schools. In the video, Wegner said the average Milwaukee teacher in fiscal year 2011 will earn a total compensation of $100,005 — including $56,500 in salary. But Milwaukee is not representative of the entire state of Wisconsin — and that's where some, including Sen. Rand Paul of Kentucky, have gone wrong. On the "David Letterman Show" on Feb. 24, the Republican senator made a misleading claim when discussing the "generous" average teacher pay in Wisconsin. (Paul's comments start at 9:40 in this video.)
Paul, Feb. 24: But I guess the argument is, is you have to look at the details and say: Have we been generous with teachers in Wisconsin? The average teacher in Wisconsin is making $89,000 a year to work nine months.
There is no official calculation of the average salary of Wisconsin public school teachers, according to Wisconsin Department of Public Instruction spokesman Patrick Gasper. The National Education Association estimates the average Wisconsin teacher's salary to be $51,121. The state Department of Public Instruction only calculates average teacher salary and benefits on a district by district basis. As of fiscal year 2010, none of the school districts in Wisconsin had an average teacher salary of $100,000 (as our reader asked) or even $89,000 (the amount Paul said the average teacher in Wisconsin "is making").
-- Eugene Kiely, Lara Seligman, D'Angelo Gore, Lauren Hitt and Michael Morse
Of the 425 public school districts in Wisconsin, only one had a salary and benefits package in 2010 that exceeded $100,000; the Nicolet Unified School District average total compensation was $103,315. And only 21 school districts — fewer than 5 percent of the total — paid average total compensation that topped $89,000.
The average salary in Wisconsin schools during the 2009-10 school year ranged from $18,983 in Kenosha Unified School District to $72,499 in the Nicolet Unified School District. The median salary was the Loyola School District at $48,504. Benefits ranged from a low of $6,459 in Niagara School District to $36,567 in the Herman Consolidated School District #22. The median benefit value was $25,762 in the Adams-Friendship Area School District.
However you slice it, it's simply not true that the average Wisconsin teacher makes $100,000, or even $89,000.
http://record-eagle.com/opinion/x1422725587/Fact-Check-Wisconsins-baffling-battle-over-its-budget
zappasguitar
Well-known member
Come now...you don't really think you're going to disprove ID and her op-ed piece with something as flimsy as actual FACTS, now do you?
Bfgrn
New member
If Republicans decided to target children, I guarantee these right wingers like Ice would parrot their attacks.
What is really ironic about female conservatives; if there had never been a progressive movement, she would be taking in laundry to raise a dowry, be promised in marriage to the man of her father's choosing and unable to vote.
There is always the option to move to an ultra conservative society that never had a progressive era.
Can you find even one post where people here defended those bonuses? I know I didn't, so I'm unworried about that. However I don't remember anybody defending those bonuses.
they're forced to pay for it, and as such, they're forced to be employed to pay for the inept government teacher to do a shitty job of teaching basics.
Teachers FTW!!
Mott, the global warmer, with a strawman argument? Who'da thunk?
If Republicans decided to target children, I guarantee these right wingers like Ice would parrot their attacks.
What is really ironic about female conservatives; if there had never been a progressive movement, she would be taking in laundry to raise a dowry, be promised in marriage to the man of her father's choosing and unable to vote.
There is always the option to move to an ultra conservative society that never had a progressive era.
You are so fucking lame
SmarterthanYou
rebel
If Republicans decided to target children, I guarantee these right wingers like Ice would parrot their attacks.
What is really ironic about female conservatives; if there had never been a progressive movement, she would be taking in laundry to raise a dowry, be promised in marriage to the man of her father's choosing and unable to vote.
There is always the option to move to an ultra conservative society that never had a progressive era.
this from the person that thinks hitler and goering were libertarians.
Seriously, if everyone had your attitude, and the country as a whole devalues teachers as you are here (and, that might be the case) - it won't be more than another generation before we're simply not a superpower anymore.
You're incredibly ignorant on this topic. A real fool.
For the historically ignorant,
The truth of the matter is, the progressives of that time, that era, were people of Abe Lincoln, John Adams, Susan B. Anthony....
You have heard of Susan B. Anthony, haven't you, Bfgrn ?
She was a prominent American civil rights leader who played a pivotal role in the 19th century women's rights movement to introduce women's suffrage into the United States.
She published a weekly journal called The Revolution, whose main thrust was to promote women’s and African-Americans’ right to suffrage, but it also discussed issues of equal pay for equal work, more liberal divorce laws and the church’s position on women’s issues.
Quite a lady she was....Susan B. Anthony...
She was co-founder of the National Woman's Suffrage Association.
She was arrested for voting in the 1872 Presidential Election.
She had written to Stanton on the night of the election that she had "positively voted the Republican ticket—straight...".
Does that surprise you?
Another prominent supporter of womens sufferage,
Jane Addams...her father, John Adams was a founding member of the Illinois Republican Party.
You may refer to them as progressive, but don't even dream they supported the Democrats of the day....the anti-civil rights, pro-slavery, anti-women bigots of the era....
I wish your teachers could have done more for you...
Oh the irony~
I love it when idiots show their own idiocy while calling others an idiot.
Cancel 2018. 3
<-- sched 2, MJ sched 1
still waiting for liberals to tell me what specific rights are being lost or taken away....
Mott the Hoople
Sweet Jane
Wacko, that's God's way of telling you to move to a lower rent district.
Mott the Hoople
Sweet Jane
I by and large agree with you but that's not what at issue here. What is at issue here is not the performance of educators (though that is certainly a valid point of discussion) but their fundamental right to negotiate for wages and benefits and that they and other public service employees are being unfairly targeted politically and demonized for a problem they did not create and for which they are being asked to pay an unfair burden to resolve while being denied the right to even negotiate for their own interest. That's just plain wrong.
Mott the Hoople
Sweet Jane
How about the rights specified by the National Labor Relations Act of 1935.