PostmodernProphet
fully immersed in faith..
you claimed he was a citizen even if he wasn't.....it just took me two pages to get you to realize you were wrong.....the least you could do is admit you fucked up.....
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you claimed he was a citizen even if he wasn't.....it just took me two pages to get you to realize you were wrong.....the least you could do is admit you fucked up.....
PostmodernProphet
fully immersed in faith..
who cares....there is no subsection of the statute that says he's a citizen if she was still domiciled in the US......
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PostmodernProphet
fully immersed in faith..
lol, good thing....because looking at the facts might disrupt your confidence.....
christiefan915
Catalyst
I not only claimed, I said it's indisputable that he's a citizen because he is:
(a) a person born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof;
OTOH, you are claiming he wasn't born in the US and are using (g) as your argument.
I'm waiting for you or somebody to produce the smoking gun that will make (g) a valid argument. So far neither you nor anybody else has done so.
The least you can do is admit that it's wishful thinking to claim Obama wasn't born in the US.
PostmodernProphet
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I could have sworn you had said something about g) that I was arguing with....oh yes, here it is....
as I said when this argument began, g) doesn't apply.....three pages after being proven wrong you still won't admit you fucked up.....
as far as wishful thinking, it would certainly be amusing if he wasn't born in the US....I expect that would set the Democrats back thirty, forty years.....those are results worth pressing for......
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odd, you just claimed it was because you would rather eat a bowl of hair than debate me, now its just plain wrong therefore you won't invest time looking into it....but you will invest time into insults and attacks....
fair enough, but as i said, the ultimate issue is identical, for if it is factually determined he was born in kenya, then it becomes a question purely a question law: whether one born in kenya to one american citizen, qualifies as a natural born citizen...in either case you have facts to determine
a question of fact also existed in mccain's case, that is, was the hospital mccain born in under american jurisdiction, however, the court never reached that issue as the plaintiff lacked standing
christiefan915
Catalyst
Just for giggles, where do you think he was born?
odd, you just claimed it was because you would rather eat a bowl of hair than debate me, now its just plain wrong therefore you won't invest time looking into it....but you will invest time into insults and attacks....
I didn't claim it was because I would rather eat a bowl of hair, I was simply pointing out an alternative activity I would rather undertake than debate the issue with you.
This is stupid. Of course the ultimate issue is the same, but that's like saying that all criminal cases are the same because the ultimate issue is the same: did the defendant do it.
Whether the hospital is under American jurisdiction is a question of law.
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DamnYankee
Loyal to the end
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yes, attacks and ad homs are so cool!!
um...that is the ultimate issue in all criminal cases, except where there is a justifiable defense
no, if you read the complaint it was an issue of fact, in that, did it exist and was it on american property, the location was an issue, not its legal status
PostmodernProphet
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????....are demons born or hatched.....
Based Chad
Was it me?
Obama could just agree to it's release. That would put all this to an end. Why won't he?
Must have been born in the middleast and is a secret jihadi. That's the only conclusion.
Must have been born in the middleast and is a secret jihadi. That's the only conclusion.
Go back and look at the links I posted, dude.
Or look here where it was subpoenaed.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/05/01/AR2008050103224.html
"One person who disagrees with that premise is New Hampshire resident Fred Hollander, who has filed a suit in U.S. District Court claiming that the Republican candidate is "not a natural born citizen." In an attempt to prove his argument, the 49-year-old computer programmer filed a subpoena last month seeking McCain's birth certificate. "
Now, whether or not the guy was successful or unsuccessful (as attempts have been for the same from the other candidate in that race) doesn't change that it was exactly the same question for the white guy running against the black guy...
I also linked to the controversy over one of those 43 "before" that you said have never been asked for birth records. You seem to have missed it as well.
Instead you continue on this race baiting BS. While I'm not a "birther" I am curious as to what the outcome of this will be.
Especially when we get stunts like this one:
http://www.eutimes.net/2011/01/hawaii-official-now-swears-no-obama-birth-certificate/
I'm always fascinated by things like this, just as I was to learn about Chester A. Arthur who has some very compelling parallels with Obama on this particular matter.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/05/01/AR2008050103224.html
"One person who disagrees with that premise is New Hampshire resident Fred Hollander, who has filed a suit in U.S. District Court claiming that the Republican candidate is "not a natural born citizen." In an attempt to prove his argument, the 49-year-old computer programmer filed a subpoena last month seeking McCain's birth certificate. "
Now, whether or not the guy was successful or unsuccessful (as attempts have been for the same from the other candidate in that race) doesn't change that it was exactly the same question for the white guy running against the black guy...
I also linked to the controversy over one of those 43 "before" that you said have never been asked for birth records. You seem to have missed it as well.
Instead you continue on this race baiting BS. While I'm not a "birther" I am curious as to what the outcome of this will be.
Especially when we get stunts like this one:
http://www.eutimes.net/2011/01/hawaii-official-now-swears-no-obama-birth-certificate/
I'm always fascinated by things like this, just as I was to learn about Chester A. Arthur who has some very compelling parallels with Obama on this particular matter.
Except I'm not. I reposted the link along with the quote. You keep trying to "cast doubt" but the reality is. McCain faced lawsuits for his BC, just like Obama has. The real difference? You just want nobody to question the guy who won, ever.
I also pointed out to you one of those "white guys" who had the same problems while in office. You know one of the "previous 43 white guys" you said had never been asked for birth records? Yeah. It's happened. I even linked to current stories about it, likely looked into because of the parallels I mentioned.
Now you can go to every effort to attempt to race bait on this one, but every one of your "it never happened" actually has happened. Even one of those "previous 43" that you assumed had never been questioned...
No, you're wrong. As is typically the case, you just refuse to acknowledge it. McCain did not "face lawsuits for his BC." McCain did face lawsuits challenging his eligibility for the office, but his place of birth was not dispited, unlike Obama.
Was he asked for birth records and did people demand to see the long-form birth certificate after the produced the short form or did someone just claim that he wasn't born in Vermont and write a book about it?
First, I didn't race bait. I was merely explaining why a black guy might take issue with the demand.
And I only had one "it never happened" and guess what? It never happened.
I've already addressed this one. Hollander did not dispute McCain's place of birth.
Yeah, I've addressed the Chester A Arthur point, as well. And really, the idea that 1 out of 43 white guys were questioned on this point whereas the only black guy was questioned on this point doesn't really do you a whole lot of good, even assuming the two situations are 100% the same.