Anyone still against the death penalty?

Ohcapzag said:
You asked if anyone was still against the death penalty, and didn't like the responses you got, apparently.

Tough.

P.S., please stop sending me weird "messages". I don't know you, or care to.
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i haven't sent you any "messages"...

its clear you have no debate and have only lies

yawn
 
charver said:
You want me to give a reason why someone advocating a 'humane' death is slightly better than someone who wants to, say, burn people to death?

I would have thought you could have worked that one out.
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too bad you can't defend your position, i guess you know its weak
 
charver said:
Of course you can't give them their time back but if you lose 2 or three years of your life through a miscarriage of justice in your twenties then you still have forty or fifty years to live out as opposed to...er...being dead. I reckon most innocent people, when weighing up the damage to their reputation or an opportunity to continue living, getting married, having kids, or any of the other stuff breathing people get to do, would probably weigh on on the side of life.

Anyway, it would probably be better to ask them, no? If they felt their 'reputation' was more precious to them than their life then they could always decide to end it themselves.
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thank you for admitting that both punishments have irreversable effects

in countries where the death penalty is applied more often there is less crime
 
Yurt said:
too bad you can't defend your position, i guess you know its weak
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I'm not quite sure what you want.

There's nothing unclear about what i said.

However, let me attempt to explain. As you may have guessed i'm not that hot on the death penalty. There are some states, like yours that maintain it in some parts and i can do nothing about that. Consequently, although i'd rather no executions were carried out at all, if they do go ahead i'd rather it was done in the most humane way possible (none of that 'cruel and unusual punishment schtick). The esteemed SM received a more favourable rating on my, beautifully drawn, 'charver scale of moral reprehensibility' as at least he favoured a 'humane' death. This is preferable, in my mind to, for example, your suggestion of...er..."burning". Therefore on my scale SM is a better man than you.

Are we clear now? Think of it this way - i'd always prefer that a slaughtered animal was stunned before it was killed in order to ameliorate it's suffering rather than having a cow kicked to death over a period of hours by 5 burly chaps in steel toecapped boots.

If you feel bad about this positioning and it makes you feel a little less hurty, i'll be happy to move you up my patented 'charver scale' and place you between Mother Theresa and Princess Diana. I can't say fairer than that.
 
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Yurt said:
thank you for admitting that both punishments have irreversable effects

in countries where the death penalty is applied more often there is less crime
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They both have irreversible effects except that in one case you're fucking dead and in the other you're not.

That seems a pretty big deal, especially for the chap who is either free and doing 'stuff' or in a box doing pretty much nothing. How you haven't spotted this is quite surprising.
 
charver said:
They both have irreversible effects except that in one case you're fucking dead and in the other you're not.

That seems a pretty big deal, especially for the chap who is either free and doing 'stuff' or in a box doing pretty much nothing. How you haven't spotted this is quite surprising.
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death penalty is necessary, you can whine about it all day, but for the greater societal good it is necessary

you don't support abolishing the entire penal system because someone will irreversably lose time from their life and/or reputation.....so why should you have an issue with the death penalty in clear cut cases like the OP?
 
Yurt said:
death penalty is necessary, you can whine about it all day, but for the greater societal good it is necessary

you don't support abolishing the entire penal system because someone will irreversably lose time from their life and/or reputation.....so why should you have an issue with the death penalty in clear cut cases like the OP?
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I see we aren't going anywhere here. You can't seem to recognise the "Death" bit is kind of important. You have people losing "time from their life and reputation" up against "losing their life".

The latter offers not a lot of comeback. People can rebuild their lives though, provided, and i hope this is sinking in, they are still alive.
 
charver said:
I see we aren't going anywhere here. You can't seem to recognise the "Death" bit is kind of important. You have people losing "time from their life and reputation" up against "losing their life".

The latter offers not a lot of comeback. People can rebuild their lives though, provided, and i hope this is sinking in, they are still alive.
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Maybe his brain is dead.
 
Yurt said:
death penalty is necessary, you can whine about it all day, but for the greater societal good it is necessary

you don't support abolishing the entire penal system because someone will irreversably lose time from their life and/or reputation.....so why should you have an issue with the death penalty in clear cut cases like the OP?
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Why is it necessary? It doesn't deter crime, it costs 10 times more, it make us less safe because it drains vital resources and it has executed innocent human beings. What do you say to those family members and the jurors that have to live with killing an innocent human being..Oops? Virginia just executed a woman with the IQ of a child (70)...is this America or Iran?

What really bothers me is some people on the right have a thirst for blood and a lust for punishment.
 
Yurtsie has a hard time making cogent arguments. Don't judge all conservatives by his lousy example.
 
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charver said:
I see we aren't going anywhere here. You can't seem to recognise the "Death" bit is kind of important. You have people losing "time from their life and reputation" up against "losing their life".

The latter offers not a lot of comeback. People can rebuild their lives though, provided, and i hope this is sinking in, they are still alive.
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of course they are not identical, stop being obtuse

the issue is irreversable loss...some idiot claimed death was the only "permanent" loss...even you agree that is false

now...for the second time

you don't support abolishing the entire penal system because someone will irreversably lose time from their life and/or reputation.....so why should you have an issue with the death penalty in clear cut cases like the OP?
 
Bfgrn said:
Why is it necessary? It doesn't deter crime, it costs 10 times more, it make us less safe because it drains vital resources and it has executed innocent human beings. What do you say to those family members and the jurors that have to live with killing an innocent human being..Oops? Virginia just executed a woman with the IQ of a child (70)...is this America or Iran?

What really bothers me is some people on the right have a thirst for blood and a lust for punishment.
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it doesn't deter crime? lmao...

it costs more because the current system is fucked, that is not a reason to abolish the death penalty...some education districts are inept at costs and costs us more money that necessary, yet you wouldn't argue that we should abolish the entire education system

i say to them, it is a fucking tragedy and i can never understand their unique loss

what do you say to the father who lived in the OP? ooops, tough luck, your wife and two daughters got raped, but i care more about the rapists than your wife and daughter....
 
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