DamnYankee
Loyal to the end
No but when it happens the person receiving the bullet rarely makes a sound which would indicate pain. I'd be happy to demonstrate that for you by administering one to you if you'd like 100% proof positive.
Anyone still against the death penalty?
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No but when it happens the person receiving the bullet rarely makes a sound which would indicate pain. I'd be happy to demonstrate that for you by administering one to you if you'd like 100% proof positive.
Minister of Truth
Practically Perfect
It will only be epic because its about me, but carry on using my personage for your gain. Viva capitalism!!
*except in wartime
Ohcapzag
Banned
No but when it happens the person receiving the bullet rarely makes a sound which would indicate pain. I'd be happy to demonstrate that for you by administering one to you if you'd like 100% proof positive.
Is this you?
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what the fuck does that have to do with anything?
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care to address the points or are you going to simply groan every post?
i never said death is...if you can't debate, then stfu
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like what? you can never give them back the time they lost nor the loss of their reputation or good name....just as death is permanent, so too is the time lost behind bars
surely you don't believe money gives them their time and reputation back do you? those that are falsely accused, especially those convicted and do time, often never get their reputation back
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no it does not. you are clueless as to what due process is. and your statement that innocent people have been executed necessarily means that GUILTY people have also been executed....
capital punishment in and of itself does not violate due process, try learning something before you enter into a debate like this....okay
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1. so jarod is for torture because death is too "light" of a punishment
2. no, it only costs so much because of pansies like you
3. so you think the government should not have the power to declare war?
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i would be interested to hear your reasons for this post, not your inane conclusions
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lol....you have no idea what a strawman is, but you thought you would sound smart by saying it
charver
You lookin' at my pint?
Of course you can't give them their time back but if you lose 2 or three years of your life through a miscarriage of justice in your twenties then you still have forty or fifty years to live out as opposed to...er...being dead. I reckon most innocent people, when weighing up the damage to their reputation or an opportunity to continue living, getting married, having kids, or any of the other stuff breathing people get to do, would probably weigh on on the side of life.
Anyway, it would probably be better to ask them, no? If they felt their 'reputation' was more precious to them than their life then they could always decide to end it themselves.
charver
You lookin' at my pint?
You want me to give a reason why someone advocating a 'humane' death is slightly better than someone who wants to, say, burn people to death?
I would have thought you could have worked that one out.
apple0154
MEOW
If punishment, but not necessarily death, is the goal perhaps the answers lie in the past.
http://www.medievality.com/judas-craddle.html
This was used long before “Preparation H” was available.
http://www.medievality.com/chair.html
Known as “The Chair” it was anything but comfortable.
http://www.medievality.com/head-crusher.html
Another device that was put into practice long before modern medications like Aspirin, Tylenol, etc. were available.
http://www.medievality.com/saw.html
The description reads, “The Saw was widely used throughout the Middle Ages mainly because the tools required were found in most houses and no complex devices were required.” Efficient, economical and, I might add, very carbon-footprint friendly.
http://www.medievality.com/garrotte.html
This one was used as late as 1975 when it was realized the executed student was innocent. Oops!
http://www.medievality.com/the-rack-torture.html
Ahh, like a tried and true friend. When only the best will do.
http://www.medievality.com/judas-craddle.html
This was used long before “Preparation H” was available.
http://www.medievality.com/chair.html
Known as “The Chair” it was anything but comfortable.
http://www.medievality.com/head-crusher.html
Another device that was put into practice long before modern medications like Aspirin, Tylenol, etc. were available.
http://www.medievality.com/saw.html
The description reads, “The Saw was widely used throughout the Middle Ages mainly because the tools required were found in most houses and no complex devices were required.” Efficient, economical and, I might add, very carbon-footprint friendly.
http://www.medievality.com/garrotte.html
This one was used as late as 1975 when it was realized the executed student was innocent. Oops!
http://www.medievality.com/the-rack-torture.html
Ahh, like a tried and true friend. When only the best will do.
charver
You lookin' at my pint?
Bfgrn
New member
There will always cases like this one where everyone is filled with rage. But it is not an intelligent way to our base laws on.
There has been a lot of research done since 1973:
The death penalty is not a deterrent. No killer ever expects to get caught.
The death penalty is fiscally irresponsible. It costs taxpayers 8 to 10 times more than life without parole.
A large amount of community resources, monetary and human are consumed when the death penalty is involved. It actually makes us less safe. The money and police time would better serve the community by investing it in more patrols, prevention programs and services.
More and more Police chiefs and law enforcement people from around the country view the death penalty as least important in their efforts to address crime.
Recently retired Supreme Court Justice John Paul Stevens said his one regret during his 35 years on the high court--his 1976 vote to uphold the death penalty in Gregg v. Georgia.
Since 1973, 138 people have been released from death row with evidence of their innocence. To me, that says we HAVE executed innocent human beings. That is murder...So if it is premeditated murder, who pays for that; the Governor, the Judge, the Jury?
There has been a lot of research done since 1973:
The death penalty is not a deterrent. No killer ever expects to get caught.
The death penalty is fiscally irresponsible. It costs taxpayers 8 to 10 times more than life without parole.
A large amount of community resources, monetary and human are consumed when the death penalty is involved. It actually makes us less safe. The money and police time would better serve the community by investing it in more patrols, prevention programs and services.
More and more Police chiefs and law enforcement people from around the country view the death penalty as least important in their efforts to address crime.
Recently retired Supreme Court Justice John Paul Stevens said his one regret during his 35 years on the high court--his 1976 vote to uphold the death penalty in Gregg v. Georgia.
Since 1973, 138 people have been released from death row with evidence of their innocence. To me, that says we HAVE executed innocent human beings. That is murder...So if it is premeditated murder, who pays for that; the Governor, the Judge, the Jury?
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Minister of Truth
Practically Perfect
Good post, but what exactly is life without payroll? 
Ohcapzag
Banned
You asked if anyone was still against the death penalty, and didn't like the responses you got, apparently.
Tough.
P.S., please stop sending me weird "messages". I don't know you, or care to.