Anyone still against the death penalty?

Yurt said:
and there is no redress for locking someone up for 30 years of their life either

nice try, but justice is not perfect
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There probably is some redress for mistakenly locking someone up for 6 months, or a year, or 2 years, before their innocence was discovered though, no?
 
Capital punishment violates a defendant’s constitutional right to due process.

Innocent people have been executed. They cannot be restored to life, so they were murdered by the state.
 
Still against it,

1) Death is an escape for these people, they should have to sit in jail for 90 years until nature takes care of the death.
2) It costs too much to effectivly conduct capital punishment.
3) I dont want the government deciding when to kill as long as there is a viable alternative for keeping the rest of society safe.
 
Ohcapzag said:
Capital punishment violates a defendant’s constitutional right to due process.

Innocent people have been executed. They cannot be restored to life, so they were murdered by the state.
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now that death sentences are handed out by juries, your theory and supposition are totally false. Due process requires a trial and sentencing by a jury of your peers.
 
SmarterThanYou said:
now that death sentences are handed out by juries, your theory and supposition are totally false. Due process requires a trial and sentencing by a jury of your peers.
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I don't get your point. Are you saying capital sentencing does not result from a jury trial?:palm:
 
Ohcapzag said:
I don't get your point. Are you saying capital sentencing does not result from a jury trial?:palm:
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no, what i'm saying is that a few years ago, when death sentences were handed out by judges, due process didn't happen. Now that death sentences are handed out by juries, due process does indeed happen.
 
charver said:
It is always refreshing to read these particular threads.

A list of morally upstanding people venting their outrage at some horrendous act of violence by expressing a desire to inflict horrendous amounts of pain and/or agonising death on someone.

It just restores one's faith in humanity.
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You won't hear that from me. I advocate the swiftest, most humane justice possible that minimizes public resources: a single .22 caliber long rifle cartridge costing about ten cents, inserted into an inexpensive pistol then aimed at close range to the condemn's temple and fired. This makes a small entrance wound followed by a wild ricocheting inside the skull. Death is painless, quick and neat. Dispose of the body along with the rest of municipal putrescible waste.
 
i go back and forth on the death penalty a lot. I don't like the idea of innocent people getting killed.

But I really like killing guilty people.

I think I am currently back on the side of favoring the death penalty. We go to war all the time and kill innocent people by accident, sooooooo frying a few people up that are innocent isn't the worst thing in the world. don't be moralfags. Support the death penalty.
 
Damn Yankee said:
You won't hear that from me. I advocate the swiftest, most humane justice possible that minimizes public resources: a single .22 caliber long rifle cartridge costing about ten cents, inserted into an inexpensive pistol then aimed at close range to the condemn's temple and fired. This makes a small entrance wound followed by a wild ricocheting inside the skull. Death is painless, quick and neat. Dispose of the body along with the rest of municipal putrescible waste.
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Congratulations, SM.

On the charver scale of moral reprehensibility you are better than someone who wants to torture a man, or woman, to death.

I salute you, Sir.
 
I oppose capital punishment, but I do find it stupendously mindboggling that people who have problems with the idea of accidentally executing an innocent person will also tend to support the death penalty for infants. Oh, well, you take what you can get, I guess.
 
you aren't really against the death penalty threedee. you are just using it for your fair and balanced illusion. I am going to do a write up on this shortly.
 
charver said:
Congratulations, SM.

On the charver scale of moral reprehensibility you are better than someone who wants to torture a man, or woman, to death.

I salute you, Sir.
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It's interesting that he advocates the method most commonly used in China, I wonder if he would charge the family for the cost of the bullet as well?
 
SmarterThanYou said:
no, what i'm saying is that a few years ago, when death sentences were handed out by judges, due process didn't happen. Now that death sentences are handed out by juries, due process does indeed happen.
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Not if the jury convicts without a vital piece of evidence withheld by the prosecution, or a flawed lab result.

Both circumstances have happened.

Once the accused is dead, there's no way to put things right, is there?
 
Damn Yankee said:
You won't hear that from me. I advocate the swiftest, most humane justice possible that minimizes public resources: a single .22 caliber long rifle cartridge costing about ten cents, inserted into an inexpensive pistol then aimed at close range to the condemn's temple and fired. This makes a small entrance wound followed by a wild ricocheting inside the skull. Death is painless, quick and neat. Dispose of the body along with the rest of municipal putrescible waste.
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So you've experienced a point-blank gunshot to the skull and can attest to the painlessness of such a wound?

That explains some of your statements. I'm sorry for your loss.
 
Ohcapzag said:
Not if the jury convicts without a vital piece of evidence withheld by the prosecution, or a flawed lab result.

Both circumstances have happened.

Once the accused is dead, there's no way to put things right, is there?
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a flawed lab result can be countered by a defense expert.

prosecutorial misconduct.......what can you want to do about that?
 
SmarterThanYou said:
a flawed lab result can be countered by a defense expert.

True, unless the wrongfully convicted person is already executed, which is why I am opposed to the death penalty. It is irrevocable, and mistakes are made which are sometimes not discovered in time.

prosecutorial misconduct.......what can you want to do about that?
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Retrial.

Which again is pointless if the victim of the prosecutions sins of commission and/or omission are already dead.
 
Ohcapzag said:
Retrial.

Which again is pointless if the victim of the prosecutions sins of commission and/or omission are already dead.
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In any death sentence case, there's an automatic appeal. I understand the frustration about misconduct though, considering I keep reading stories about how it's 5, 10, or even 20 years after a conviction before it's usually found out.

this is something we need to change, but how do we get the courts to eliminate absolute immunity?
 
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