Uncle Martin Would Have Been So Proud...

[DamnYankee]

Alveeda King is a religious conservative crack pot aligned with the socially conservative rightwing, and is anti-gay, and anti-reproductive choice. She shares some DNA with Dr. King, but she doesn't speak for him.

MLK was not aligned with a political party, and indeed he was to the left of the vast majority of Democrats. Labels don't mean crap, but MLK was basically a socialist, if any label can be applied to him.


On the other hand, its hilarious to see a bunch of over weight white tea bag people on the DC Mall trying to "reclaim" the civil rights movement. It doesn't get any funnier than that!

MLK was a Republican. All five Civil Rights Acts were sponsored by the GOP, and all five were opposed by Democrats.

 

[Canceled2]

They are trying hard not to draw attention to the fact that the Standard Press has become a branch of the "Democratic" Party.

She's now been labled a right wing nutter. All because she has a differing view then what a black person is *supposed to have...imagine if you are black...truly black, you can only hold to one view or you are a right wing nutter...pafuckinthetic!

*irony and sarcasm intended~~~

 

[DamnYankee]

That's nothing but a fucking pathetic LIE. You're better than that.

No he's not.

 

[Canceled2]

There should be nothing wrong with a teacher giving a 2 or 3 minute moment of silence for those that wish to pray.

I would disagree however with a number of Christian's on simply returning prayer, as it used to be understood, which was to the "God of the bible".

When prayer was a common part of a school day it was due to the fact that many public (community) schools even taught the bible. This is because it was taken for granted that God was a part of our daily lives and that we were his people. Since public education was first instituted in this country by the church, it was also expected. We are no longer nationally a people of the Christian God. Teachers who do not believe in God have no business leading others in prayer to a God they may not even believe in...I know I certainly wouldn't want my kids bowing to the prayers led by an unbeliever.

The spirit Of Alveda King's message however is not to be diminshed because she has, imo, a misguided idealism. Her over all message of our nationally failing moral character resonates!

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

There should be nothing wrong with a teacher giving a 2 or 3 minute moment of silence for those that wish to pray.

I would disagree however with a number of Christian's on simply returning prayer, as it used to be understood, which was to the "God of the bible".

When prayer was a common part of a school day it was due to the fact that many public (community) schools even taught the bible. This is because it was taken for granted that God was a part of our daily lives and that we were his people. Since public education was first instituted in this country by the church, it was also expected. We are no longer nationally a people of the Christian God. Teachers who do not believe in God have no business leading others in prayer to a God they may not even believe in...I know I certainly wouldn't want my kids bowing to the prayers led by an unbeliever.

The spirit Of Alveda King's message however is not to be diminshed because she has, imo, a misguided idealism. Her over all message of our nationally failing moral character resonates!

I have to disagree with you, if a teacher doesn't believe in God, they have no business teaching our children a damn thing, and we should throw them out on their ears. We ARE God's people, we DO still believe in God! We've allowed Atheist morons to infiltrate our schools and our government, and implement this mindless stupidity of godlessness. We've done this by adopting the mindset that we "don't want" some teacher leading our children in a prayer of some other religion than our own, that is religious intolerance, in about the most blatant way it can be demonstrated. What possible harm or damage will come to your Catholic child, to endure a 2-minute prayer from a Methodist? If anything, it actually TEACHES religious tolerance! That we RESPECT the religious beliefs of others, not justify an intolerance for it!

I don't give a damn about the 'denomination' of the prayer, because the purpose is not to indoctrinate people into a certain religious belief, it is to pay respect to our founding principles and what makes us a great and exceptional nation. There is certainly a way to coordinate a 'universal' prayer, which could be agreed on by most every religion out there, or maybe even several prayers, tailored to the individual communities they are presented in... If Dearborne, Michigan wants to use the Islamic version, let the people on the school board have that option available, but students should be taught to respect and honor religion, religious teachings, and the importance religion brings to our unique and exceptional government. They are currently being educated, that we are an "Atheistic" nation, devoid of ANY religious belief... and that is a dark and dismal road we are heading down. It will ultimately spell the demise of a once great nation, if we can't 'right the course' soon.

 

[Canceled2]

I have to disagree with you, if a teacher doesn't believe in God, they have no business teaching our children a damn thing, and we should throw them out on their ears. We ARE God's people, we DO still believe in God! We've allowed Atheist morons to infiltrate our schools and our government, and implement this mindless stupidity of godlessness. We've done this by adopting the mindset that we "don't want" some teacher leading our children in a prayer of some other religion than our own, that is religious intolerance, in about the most blatant way it can be demonstrated. What possible harm or damage will come to your Catholic child, to endure a 2-minute prayer from a Methodist? If anything, it actually TEACHES religious tolerance! That we RESPECT the religious beliefs of others, not justify an intolerance for it!

I don't give a damn about the 'denomination' of the prayer, because the purpose is not to indoctrinate people into a certain religious belief, it is to pay respect to our founding principles and what makes us a great and exceptional nation. There is certainly a way to coordinate a 'universal' prayer, which could be agreed on by most every religion out there, or maybe even several prayers, tailored to the individual communities they are presented in... If Dearborne, Michigan wants to use the Islamic version, let the people on the school board have that option available, but students should be taught to respect and honor religion, religious teachings, and the importance religion brings to our unique and exceptional government. They are currently being educated, that we are an "Atheistic" nation, devoid of ANY religious belief... and that is a dark and dismal road we are heading down. It will ultimately spell the demise of a once great nation, if we can't 'right the course' soon.

Well, I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on this one Dix. I believe your idea of a "universalism" is handled to a lesser degree, by my belief that having a brief time for personal prayer is certainly reasonable and would allow for the concept of God, a being at the very least, bigger than self...

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

Well, I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on this one Dix. I believe your idea of a "universalism" is handled to a lesser degree, by my belief that having a brief time for personal prayer is certainly reasonable and would allow for the concept of God, a being at the very least, bigger than self...

Oh, hey... 10 years ago, I was right there with you on this! I didn't want some Pentecostal nut proselytizing to my kids, or our schools to be turned into Bible Study class, I think that is a matter of parental responsibility and not something to be left up to the school. But my thinking has changed, as I continue to see the downhill spiral our nation is taking with regard to moral issues. One of the most significant problems, is this total lack of understanding about our founding principles, and what this nation stands for. Our exceptionalism as a government is dependent upon the very religious belief that God the Creator made us all equal in his eyes, we are all children of God, and endowed with our rights, which come from Him. Our students are no longer taught this in public school, because we allowed the argument to prevail, that school was no place for prayer or religion.

I think it's time for a "re-thinking" on this, and an understanding that it's fundamentally important to teach our youth the importance of religious tolerance and respect, and that might include bowing your pathetic little mush-brain head for a few moments, while someone pays respect to the entity who endows us with our rights.

 

[WinterBorn]

No he's not.

Oh? But was it a lie, SM?

 

[WinterBorn]

There should be nothing wrong with a teacher giving a 2 or 3 minute moment of silence for those that wish to pray. I would disagree however with a number of Christian's on simply returning prayer, as it used to be understood, which was to the "God of the bible".

When prayer was a common part of a school day it was due to the fact that many public (community) schools even taught the bible. This is because it was taken for granted that God was a part of our daily lives and that we were his people. Since public education was first instituted in this country by the church, it was also expected. We are no longer nationally a people of the Christian God. Teachers who do not believe in God have no business leading others in prayer to a God they may not even believe in...I know I certainly wouldn't want my kids bowing to the prayers led by an unbeliever.

You and I agree on this one.

 

[WinterBorn]

I have to disagree with you, if a teacher doesn't believe in God, they have no business teaching our children a damn thing, and we should throw them out on their ears. We ARE God's people, we DO still believe in God!

Have you lost your mind? (rhetorical question, I know)

So now your stand is that we cannot allow atheists to be teachers?

 

[WinterBorn]

Oh, hey... 10 years ago, I was right there with you on this! I didn't want some Pentecostal nut proselytizing to my kids, or our schools to be turned into Bible Study class, I think that is a matter of parental responsibility and not something to be left up to the school. But my thinking has changed, as I continue to see the downhill spiral our nation is taking with regard to moral issues. One of the most significant problems, is this total lack of understanding about our founding principles, and what this nation stands for. Our exceptionalism as a government is dependent upon the very religious belief that God the Creator made us all equal in his eyes, we are all children of God, and endowed with our rights, which come from Him. Our students are no longer taught this in public school, because we allowed the argument to prevail, that school was no place for prayer or religion.

I think it's time for a "re-thinking" on this, and an understanding that it's fundamentally important to teach our youth the importance of religious tolerance and respect, and that might include bowing your pathetic little mush-brain head for a few moments, while someone pays respect to the entity who endows us with our rights.

I think your idea of religious tolerance is ridiculous. You demand that all teachers be required to lead prayers, regardless of their beliefs, because YOU believe in God? Otherwise they will be fired?

Yep, thats "Dixie Tolerance" for you.

 

[Cypress]

MLK was a Republican. All five Civil Rights Acts were sponsored by the GOP, and all five were opposed by Democrats.

I suggest you stop reading Drudge.

Yeah, this makes a lot of sense: MLK supported the Party that nominated Barry Goldwater as their Presidential candidate - who was against the civil rights act - and a party who's major media star was Ronald Reagan, another dude who oppossed the civil rights act.

Dude, don't waste my time with this shit. MLK was appalled at the right wing take-over of the Republican party by Goldwater and Reagan in the early 60s. I'm pretty sure MLK is on record having voted for Kennedy and LBJ.

Here's MLK in the 1960s, on the rightwing takeover of the GOP.

Martin Luther King, Jr.'s Autobiography:

On The 1964 GOP Campaign....

"The Republican Party geared its appeal and program to racism, reaction, and extremism.

All people of goodwill viewed with alarm and concern the frenzied wedding at the Cow Palace (The 1964 GOP Convention) of the KKK with the radical right. The "best man" (Goldwater) at this ceremony was a senator whose voting record, philosophy, and program were anathema to all the hard-won achievements of the past decade.

"It was both unfortunate and disastrous that the Republican Party nominated Barry Goldwater as its candidate for President of the United States. In foreign policy Mr. Goldwater advocated a narrow nationalism, a crippling isolationism, and a trigger-happy attitude that could plunge the whole world into the dark abyss of annihilation. On social and economic issues, Mr. Goldwater represented an unrealistic conservatism that was totally out of touch with the realities of the twentieth century. The issue of poverty compelled the attention of all citizens of our country. Senator Goldwater had neither the concern nor the comprehension necessary to grapple with this problem of poverty in the fashion that the historical moment dictated. On the urgent issue of civil rights, Senator Goldwater represented a philosophy that was morally indefensible and socially suicidal."


- MLK Jr, The Autobiography of Martin Luther King, Jr

page 247

MLK's father was a registered republican. But, MLK and presumably his father too, switched to supporting Democratic presidents.

Bottom line, MLK was a man of principle who would support anyone who believed in some semblance of equality and social justice. And, that probably largely meant northerners - and not white southerners.


On social issues, on economic issues, and on matters of war MLK was a freaking uber-lefty. He was to the left of most Democrats. So I don't make the claim that he was some hero of the Democratic party.



http://books.google.com/books?id=Gv...&resnum=5&ved=0CC0Q6AEwBA#v=onepage&q&f=false

 

[DamnYankee]

I suggest you stop reading Drudge.

Yeah, this makes a lot of sense: MLK supported the Party that nominated Barry Goldwater as their Presidential candidate - who was against the civil rights act - and a party who's major media star was Ronald Reagan, another dude who oppossed the civil rights act.

Dude, don't waste my time with this shit. MLK was appalled at the right wing take-over of the Republican party by Goldwater and Reagan in the early 60s. I'm pretty sure MLK is on record having voted for Kennedy and LBJ.

Here's MLK in the 1960s, on the rightwing takeover of the GOP.




MLK's father was a registered republican. But, MLK and presumably his father too, switched to supporting Democratic presidents.

Bottom line, MLK was a man of principle who would support anyone who believed in some semblance of equality and social justice. And, that probably largely meant northerners - and not white southerners.


On social issues, on economic issues, and on matters of war MLK was a freaking uber-lefty. He was to the left of most Democrats. So I don't make the claim that he was some hero of the Democratic party.



http://books.google.com/books?id=Gv...&resnum=5&ved=0CC0Q6AEwBA#v=onepage&q&f=false

Two can play at this game:

The relentless disparagement of Dr. King by Democrats led to his being physically assaulted and ultimately to his tragic death. In March of 1968, while referring to Dr. King's leaving Memphis, Tennessee after riots broke out where a teenager was killed, Democrat Senator Robert Byrd, a former member of theKu Klux Klan, called Dr. King a "trouble-maker" who starts trouble, but runs like a coward after trouble is ignited. A few weeks later, Dr. King returned to Memphis and was assassinated on April 4, 1968. Prior to his death, Democrats bombed Dr. King's home several times. The scurrilous efforts by the Democrats to harm Dr. King included spreading rumors that he was a Communist and accusing him of being a womanizer and a plagiarist.

An egregious act against Dr. King occurred on October 10, 1963. With the approval of Democrat President John F. Kennedy, Democrat Attorney General Robert F. Kennedy – President Kennedy's brother – authorized the wiretapping of Dr. King's telephone by the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI). Wiretaps were placed by the FBI on the telephones in Dr. King's home and office. The FBI also bugged Dr. King's hotel rooms when he traveled around the country.

http://www.nbra.info/MLKWasARepublican

 

[Cypress]

Literary license invoked...

You're out of your goddamn mind. Dr. King was certainly NOT a socialist. ...he LOVED Barry Goldwater, Ronald Reagan, Conservatism, and Capitalism!!!!!

You need to stop reading the Glenn Beck Website. And I know if we time-traveled back to the 1980s, you would have been one of the rightwing idiots who were against an MLK national holiday. So stop being a liar, and claiming you some sort of MLK groupie.


Here's one of MLK's most famous speeches. If I had written this, you would call me a Stalinist. If Obama had delivered this speech, you would call for his impeachment as a communist.

MLK was an uber lefty on social justice, and economic justice. He routinely slammed the worship of property rights and the worship of capitalism-for-profit. He was Way to the left of most Democrats. You're just going to have to deal with that, you NeoConfederate nincompoop.

Martin Luther King Slams the the Vietnam War and the Worship of Property Rights, Materialsim and Capitalism-for-Profit...

I am convinced that if we are to get on the right side of the world revolution, we as a nation must undergo a radical revolution of values. We must rapidly begin...we must rapidly begin the shift from a thing-oriented society to a person-oriented society.

When machines and computers, profit motives and property rights, are considered more important than people, the giant triplets of racism, extreme materialism, and militarism are incapable of being conquered.

A true revolution of values will soon cause us to question the fairness and justice of many of our past and present policies. On the one hand, we are called to play the Good Samaritan on life's roadside, but that will be only an initial act. One day we must come to see that the whole Jericho Road must be transformed so that men and women will not be constantly beaten and robbed as they make their journey on life's highway. True compassion is more than flinging a coin to a beggar. It comes to see that an edifice which produces beggars needs restructuring.

A true revolution of values will soon look uneasily on the glaring contrast of poverty and wealth. With righteous indignation, it will look across the seas and see individual capitalists of the West investing huge sums of money in Asia, Africa, and South America, only to take the profits out with no concern for the social betterment of the countries, and say, "This is not just." It will look at our alliance with the landed gentry of South America and say, "This is not just." The Western arrogance of feeling that it has everything to teach others and nothing to learn from them is not just.

A true revolution of values will lay hand on the world order and say of war, "This way of settling differences is not just." This business of burning human beings with napalm, of filling our nation's homes with orphans and widows, of injecting poisonous drugs of hate into the veins of peoples normally humane, of sending men home from dark and bloody battlefields physically handicapped and psychologically deranged, cannot be reconciled with wisdom, justice, and love. A nation that continues year after year to spend more money on military defense than on programs of social uplift is approaching spiritual death.

America, the richest and most powerful nation in the world, can well lead the way in this revolution of values. There is nothing except a tragic death wish to prevent us from reordering our priorities so that the pursuit of peace will take precedence over the pursuit of war. There is nothing to keep us from molding a recalcitrant status quo with bruised hands until we have fashioned it into a brotherhood.

http://www.americanrhetoric.com/speeches/mlkatimetobreaksilence.htm

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

And Prissy, YOU need to stop reading whatever godless mindless socialist atheist drivel you're reading, because it is rotting what little brain you have. You are completely full of liberal bullshit, not one damn thing you are posting has a shred of truth to it, or fact to support it. You are a mindless drone for the DNC, and you prove that here on a daily basis, so why don't you shut the fuck up and die, maggot?

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

Have you lost your mind? (rhetorical question, I know)

So now your stand is that we cannot allow atheists to be teachers?

That's precisely what I am saying, or government officials in general! If you have no belief in God, you have no business working for a government who's founding principle requires there to be a God to endow us with inalienable rights, you don't believe in that premise. It's like working for a company who's mission statement you do not believe in... you don't deserve to be employed by that company!

I think your idea of religious tolerance is ridiculous. You demand that all teachers be required to lead prayers, regardless of their beliefs, because YOU believe in God? Otherwise they will be fired?

Yep, thats "Dixie Tolerance" for you.

Yep, and I am saying your godless atheist ass needs to learn to be tolerant of it! I am sick of religious people being told to be tolerant of atheist scum who are destroying our nation and our children. It's time to stand up to that and turn the tables. I was never more ashamed in my life, at my fellow Americans, when they carted Roy Moore's 10 Commandments off into a CLOSET! As if it were something we should be ashamed to display in public! Like it was PORNOGRAPHY or something! That is God's Word! We shouldn't be ashamed of that, it's what our nation was founded on, the principles our laws were founded on. Of all the places in the world it SHOULD have been on display, was GOVERNMENT building, a GOVERNMENT founded on the principles that GOD gave us our rights! Including the right to display the 10 commandments.

 

[WinterBorn]

That's precisely what I am saying, or government officials in general! If you have no belief in God, you have no business working for a government who's founding principle requires there to be a God to endow us with inalienable rights, you don't believe in that premise. It's like working for a company who's mission statement you do not believe in... you don't deserve to be employed by that company! .

I believe in the mission statement listed in the first amendment of the US Constitution. And the SCOTUS has consistently ruled that you are wrong.

I was never more ashamed in my life, at my fellow Americans, when they carted Roy Moore's 10 Commandments off into a CLOSET! As if it were something we should be ashamed to display in public! Like it was PORNOGRAPHY or something! That is God's Word! We shouldn't be ashamed of that, it's what our nation was founded on, the principles our laws were founded on. Of all the places in the world it SHOULD have been on display, was GOVERNMENT building, a GOVERNMENT founded on the principles that GOD gave us our rights! Including the right to display the 10 commandments.

The monument that Roy Moore put up was not the entire issue, and you damn well know it. It was the fact that it was the ONLY decoration allowed in the lobby of the Alabama Supreme court. First you try and claim tolerance and then you come in with this blatant attempt by a warped jurist to proclaim judeo-christian values as the only ones worth having??

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

I believe in the mission statement listed in the first amendment of the US Constitution. And the SCOTUS has consistently ruled that you are wrong.

Did you think my statement was inferring that my opinion is aligned with SCOTUS rulings? Are you that fucking retarded? You believe in what 9 people in black robes tell you to believe in, your freedoms and rights come from them. I believe in the founding principles, that our rights come from God. See the difference? Probably not, because you are retarded!

The monument that Roy Moore put up was not the entire issue, and you damn well know it. It was the fact that it was the ONLY decoration allowed in the lobby of the Alabama Supreme court. First you try and claim tolerance and then you come in with this blatant attempt by a warped jurist to proclaim judeo-christian values as the only ones worth having??

Is "all men are created equal and endowed inalienable rights by God" a judeo-christian value? If so, then I'm guilty as sin of believing that is a value worth having, and I am sorry you don't agree with me. As for Moore and the 10 commandments monument, I don't give a flying fuck what the "entire issue" was, there was no call for people to wheel it into a goddamn closet, like we should be ashamed to have it visible in public, that literally made me physically ill to watch. What has become of us as a society? Where did we jump the tracks with regard to this very important tenant of our founding principles, and what makes this nation exceptionally great? How long will it take to weed out imbeciles like you, who think we should continue to scour government of anything pertaining to religion or religious values?

 

[WinterBorn]

Did you think my statement was inferring that my opinion is aligned with SCOTUS rulings? Are you that fucking retarded? You believe in what 9 people in black robes tell you to believe in, your freedoms and rights come from them. I believe in the founding principles, that our rights come from God. See the difference? Probably not, because you are retarded!

Nope, those 9 people in black robes don't tell me what to believe. But the discussion is not about what we believe. It is about what we want for our nation. If you think you will actually get what you want, then you are beyond retarded, and have delved into the realm of delusional.

Is "all men are created equal and endowed inalienable rights by God" a judeo-christian value? If so, then I'm guilty as sin of believing that is a value worth having, and I am sorry you don't agree with me. As for Moore and the 10 commandments monument, I don't give a flying fuck what the "entire issue" was, there was no call for people to wheel it into a goddamn closet, like we should be ashamed to have it visible in public, that literally made me physically ill to watch. What has become of us as a society? Where did we jump the tracks with regard to this very important tenant of our founding principles, and what makes this nation exceptionally great? How long will it take to weed out imbeciles like you, who think we should continue to scour government of anything pertaining to religion or religious values?

You are throwing out a red herring here. You know damned well why the roll it into a back room. They were not going to give Moore's supporters the opportunity to make a big scene as they wheeled it outside. They did not stuff it into a back room out of shame, but to avoid the protest out front.

And there is a huge difference between "scouring the gov't of anything pertaining to religion" and having a huge monument to only one single religion.

No, "all men are created equal and endowed inalienable rights by God", but the 10 Commandments certainly is a judeo-christian religious symbol.

Look at the very first commandment and then honestly say that it represents religious tolerance and represents a nation of so many religions. (actually, the same can be said for the first 4 commandments) If you do you are a liar.

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

Nope, those 9 people in black robes don't tell me what to believe. But the discussion is not about what we believe. It is about what we want for our nation. If you think you will actually get what you want, then you are beyond retarded, and have delved into the realm of delusional.

I already have what I want, it's endowed by God and you can't take it away from me. What I want for my nation, is for the people to wake up and realize what has happened, and not be afraid to stand up to you godless socialist idiots, who seek to remove us from our God so you can enslave us to the state. You want to rest on some SCOTUS rulings, as if the SCOTUS determines our freedoms, but our freedoms come from God. You want to embrace some lunatic leftist notion that we must reinforce the concrete in the wall of separation between church and state, as if our founders created some barrier to prevent our government from ever being influenced by religious faith, which happens to be exactly what Marxist-Leninist Socialists need for us to believe, in order to enslave us. That's how much of a fucking idiot you have become, you are endorsing this, and you don't even realize how you've been duped.

You are throwing out a red herring here. You know damned well why the roll it into a back room. They were not going to give Moore's supporters the opportunity to make a big scene as they wheeled it outside. They did not stuff it into a back room out of shame, but to avoid the protest out front.

They moved it into a closet, as if it were pornography. You should be ashamed to even be defending that, but you're not the least bit ashamed, are you? The 10 Commandments... wheeled away from view of the public, and locked in a utility closet. That's where YOU put our God's Word, the same God who endows our rights, are you proud of yourself? Oh you say, but I wasn't there... I didn't do that... it was ordered by the courts... it was somebody else... but it was YOU. If you weren't among those who were standing outside that courthouse protesting it, then you were with the ones who pushed it into a closet. YOU and your anti-religious, anti-God bunch of socialists and atheist scum!

And there is a huge difference between "scouring the gov't of anything pertaining to religion" and having a huge monument to only one single religion.

No, "all men are created equal and endowed inalienable rights by God", but the 10 Commandments certainly is a judeo-christian religious symbol.

Look at the very first commandment and then honestly say that it represents religious tolerance and represents a nation of so many religions. (actually, the same can be said for the first 4 commandments) If you do you are a liar.

There are a LOT of Judeo-Christian symbols in our society, dumbass, we are a majority Judeo-Christian nation, what the hell do you expect? This isn't a religious philosophy debate over who's got the best idea of God! Our nation is founded on specific principles and God is a vital part of that. Now you can split hairs and argue all you like, we are predominately a Judeo-Christian nation, and always have been, that isn't going to change. What IS going to change is attitudes toward Judeo-Christian principles, and the Word of God will ultimately prevail. It HAS to prevail for this nation to survive, and the sooner idiots like you figure that out, the better off we'll all be.