Uncle Martin Would Have Been So Proud...

Jarod said:
The government does not own GM, and healthcare is not a means of production.
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1. The Obama fired GM's CEO, and hand-picked another. That's ownership.

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Government-managed medicine: Even left-leaning health care experts concede that Obama's expanded coverage plan will cost $100 billion; with no real cost containment, that will mean a second wave of reform that could impose full socialized medicine on our country.
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Dixie said:
It's not about making you a "better Christian." It's about respect for the entity which endows us with freedom. Just basic respect, that's all. You can't even give the 10 commandments respect by calling it what it is, you have to make some smart-ass retort with condescension... not one ounce of RESPECT!
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Putting a monument up that calls for only one God, and denies all others is hardly respecting all religions.
 
Dixie said:
Zapped, you are missing the point. This isn't about what I believe, or even what you believe. It is about respect for the religious beliefs of others. Something the spirit of the 1st Amendment is all about. But then, that's also a dusty old insignificant document, right?
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That argument might fly is any other religious elements were allowed in the courthouse lobby.
 
WinterBorn said:
Putting a monument up that calls for only one God, and denies all others is hardly respecting all religions.
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Really? How many people do you know who worship multiple Gods? And where does a monument ever "call for" anything? It is a symbol, a respectful symbol of something very important to a great many people in our society, and tied irrevocably to their religious beliefs. NOT displaying the monument is an affront to their religious expression.
 
Dixie said:
Zapped, you are missing the point. This isn't about what I believe, or even what you believe. It is about respect for the religious beliefs of others. Something the spirit of the 1st Amendment is all about. But then, that's also a dusty old insignificant document, right?
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If it truly is about respect for other's religion, then I'm SURE you'll be involved in the protest of that Florida church that's got "burn a Koran" day coming up soon...right?
 
ZappasGuitar said:
If it truly is about respect for other's religion, then I'm SURE you'll be involved in the protest of that Florida church that's got "burn a Koran" day coming up soon...right?
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I don't protest ANY religion's right to express their beliefs, unless their beliefs call for killing people in the name of their God.
 
WinterBorn said:
That argument might fly is any other religious elements were allowed in the courthouse lobby.
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But other religious symbols are not pertinent to American law. The 10 Commandments are, they are depicted on the entrance to the Supreme Court!

According to the Alabama state constitution, Roy Moore was the sole person responsible for decorum of the state house. I'm sure he felt the one place the 10 Commandments would be safe from religious persecution, would be in a building owned by a government committed to protecting against religious persecution.
 
Dixie said:
I don't protest ANY religion's right to express their beliefs, unless their beliefs call for killing people in the name of their God.
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So then you were lying when you said it was about "respect for the religious beliefs of others.

Muslims believe the Koran is holy and desecration of their book to be an affront to their religion...yet you have no problem with a a Christian church burning Muslim's Holy Book.
 
ZappasGuitar said:
So then you were lying when you said it was about "respect for the religious beliefs of others.

Muslims believe the Koran is holy and desecration of their book to be an affront to their religion...yet you have no problem with a a Christian church burning Muslim's Holy Book.
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Nope, I wasn't lying, you are just completely misguided in your perception because you still don't get it. I also have no trouble with a Muslim Mosque burning the Christians Holy Book, if that's what they want to do to express their religious beliefs. So long as it's on their property, and not causing a risk to public safety, I think they should be able to do that. So, my personal view is consistent here. But this thread topic isn't really about our 'personal' views. It is about the 'collective' view, or vision, put more appropriately.

You see, Dr. King had a dream of a society one day coming together as one, with the commonality being our faith in God.... whoever our God may be to us personally. It's not about our 'personal' viewpoint, it is about brotherhood of man... we are ALL part of the HUMAN race. Go read his speech, that's all he talks about... the UNITY of man.

Now, it's clear to me, we can't have any sort of "unity" until we have resolve. First on the list, is tolerance for others. If you are constantly putting groups in boxes (as liberal always like to do) then you can never have unity, it can't exist in such an environment, everyone remains in their box. This can't be allowed because THAT group doesn't like it... THAT can't be allowed because THIS group may get offended... We can't do THIS because THEY won't appreciate it... None of THIS without some of THAT! As long as we do this, we can never achieve unity, it is always a constant and consistent bickering between peoples, and is the antithesis of unity and togetherness.
 
Dixie said:
Really? How many people do you know who worship multiple Gods? And where does a monument ever "call for" anything? It is a symbol, a respectful symbol of something very important to a great many people in our society, and tied irrevocably to their religious beliefs. NOT displaying the monument is an affront to their religious expression.
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Oh please, you are going to say that the "God" mentioned in the 10 Commandments could be any God??

Are you really going to try and say that?
 
Dixie said:
But other religious symbols are not pertinent to American law. The 10 Commandments are, they are depicted on the entrance to the Supreme Court!.
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They are depicted on the friezes at the US Supreme Court. And what else is depicted there? Come on Dix, if you are going to make the claim then know the material. What else is depicted?

Dixie said:
According to the Alabama state constitution, Roy Moore was the sole person responsible for decorum of the state house. I'm sure he felt the one place the 10 Commandments would be safe from religious persecution, would be in a building owned by a government committed to protecting against religious persecution.
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But Roy Moore is not allowed to violate the US Constitution. And having one single religion represented, and excluding all other is a direct violation of the US Constitution.
 
Dixie said:
I also have no trouble with a Muslim Mosque burning the Christians Holy Book, if that's what they want to do to express their religious beliefs. So long as it's on their property, and not causing a risk to public safety, I think they should be able to do that.
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Why do Muslims consider desecration of the Koran blasphemy? Doesn't Islam forbid idol worship?
 
WinterBorn said:
Oh please, you are going to say that the "God" mentioned in the 10 Commandments could be any God??

Are you really going to try and say that?
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I am saying that is how it should be perceived by anyone who believes in our founding principles. We are ONE, united under GOD, who endows our freedoms. (The same God who endows ALL men's freedoms that we believe in as Americans.)
 
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