It is not a Mosque they are building in Manhattan

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I know we really don't need another thread about this topic.

But it galls me that so many are ranting as though they are building a mosque with spinnerettes that will cater only to muslims.


From: http://newsblogs.chicagotribune.com...7/the-truth-about-the-ground-zero-mosque.html

"The plan at this stage is for the prayer space to occupy only one floor of a 13-story building. The rest would house a swimming pool, a concert auditorium, a gymnasium, a child-care facility, a library, a culinary school and a restaurant. Scheffe says it will bear a strong resemblance to Manhattan's 92nd Street Y."



From: http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...que2-20100726,0,1604010.story?obref=obnetwork

"But let's not overreact. Much of what we've heard about the building is not quite true. It's not a mosque: It's a 13-story, YMCA-style community center, with a gym, pool, lecture hall, performing arts venue and library, all of which will be open to the public — and it will have a mosque occupying one floor.

It's not at or next to Ground Zero: It's two blocks away, in an area of tall commercial buildings and at least one gentleman's club. It won't tower over the site where the World Trade Center towers stood: It will be one of the shorter structures around, and it will have only an obstructed view of the 1,776-foot skyscraper going up at the site."




From: http://www.park51.org/facilities.htm

Park51 will grow into a world-class community center, planned to include the following facilities:
•outstanding recreation spaces and fitness facilities (swimming pool, gym, basketball court)
•a 500-seat auditorium
•a restaurant and culinary school
•cultural amenities including exhibitions
•education programs
•a library, reading room and art studios
•childcare services
•a mosque, intended to be run separately from Park51 but open to and accessible to all members, visitors and our New York community
•a September 11th memorial and quiet contemplation space, open to all





This constant arguing that this project runs counter to the needs of the area and that it is some sort of trophy or terrorist training ground completely ignores the reality of what they are trying to build.

If you are going to argue against it, at least know what it is that you are attacking. They are not building a mosque. If thats what they wanted, the existing building would suffice.
 
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At this point, with the help of Fox, a few select Congresspeople & some of the posters on this board, it's a full-fledged Al Qaeda recruitment station and sanctuary for OBL when he's traveling stateside...
 
Two time bush voters seem awfully obsessed with muslims, mexican migrant workers, a black civil servant at the Department of Ag, and that new black panther stuff Fox News stressed out about. I have no idea why these types of stories seems to be a running theme for the Drudge crowd.

As for the day care center, Winterborne.... that's obviously a clever cover for a clandestine terrorist training camp.
 
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not arguing against what is being built...but winterborn....if the kkk said their building was a community science center for all......you wouldn't support it....not saying it is the same here....however, what if this was a devil worshiping sheep sacrifice mosque in your town.....would you still support it?
 
not arguing against what is being built...but winterborn....if the kkk said their building was a community science center for all......you wouldn't support it....not saying it is the same here....however, what if this was a devil worshiping sheep sacrifice mosque in your town.....would you still support it?

If someone owned the land and decided to build a community center that would offer all those things in an area that needs them? You bet I would support it.

My point is that the opposition is making this into something its not. Even if the issue were not a cut & dried case of property rights and religious freedoms, the use of the word "mosque" is carefull calculated to create more hysteria and less logical thought.
 
If someone owned the land and decided to build a community center that would offer all those things in an area that needs them? You bet I would support it.

My point is that the opposition is making this into something its not. Even if the issue were not a cut & dried case of property rights and religious freedoms, the use of the word "mosque" is carefull calculated to create more hysteria and less logical thought.

Muslims have a tradition of erecting Mosques at sites of Islamic conquest. This is well-documented, and you can find this to be the case repeatedly through Islamic history. Nine years ago, if someone had told me we would be talking about the new Mosque planned for Ground Zero, I would have questioned what kind of dope you were smoking!

Now you can buy the propaganda that this is really a "community center" and it's going to have all of this and that, which will all be open to the public... but it's a Trophy Mosque, and that is clear to anyone who has studied Islamic history. Another thing you should be aware of as you enter this little partnership with the Muslims, unlike Christianity, where even the most radical ones are taught that it's a sin to lie, Muslims actually teach that lying is acceptable in times of war against the Infidel (that's us). So, you can't really believe anything they are telling you. Including this assertion about Islam really being a "religion of peace," because their history shows something else.

Even the head honcho of CAIR states there is no such thing as a "moderate" Muslim, you either believe in the Islamic cause, or you don't. This "cause" you might like to know, is worldwide acceptance of Sharia law.
 
If someone owned the land and decided to build a community center that would offer all those things in an area that needs them? You bet I would support it.

My point is that the opposition is making this into something its not. Even if the issue were not a cut & dried case of property rights and religious freedoms, the use of the word "mosque" is carefull calculated to create more hysteria and less logical thought.

So it's not a mosque?
 
If someone owned the land and decided to build a community center that would offer all those things in an area that needs them? You bet I would support it.

My point is that the opposition is making this into something its not. Even if the issue were not a cut & dried case of property rights and religious freedoms, the use of the word "mosque" is carefull calculated to create more hysteria and less logical thought.

I know, Manhattan is certainly in need of community centers and health clubs. Mosques too.

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Then purpose of this thing seems to be to simply invite controversy. I thought Islam was about tolerance and respect. *shrug*
 
Then purpose of this thing seems to be to simply invite controversy. I thought Islam was about tolerance and respect. *shrug*

What? They have ben using the old building for years. These plans have been in the works for years. This is a local matter that has little or nothing to do with the 9/11 attack.
 
Wrong. It's an expression of Jihadi Triumphalism.

Thats right. I had forgotten that little historical detail that when muslims win a war they build swimming pools, concert halls and cooking schools that are all open to the public.
 
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